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Would you pay $1299 for the G1X.3 'L' ?

Started Oct 12, 2017 | Polls
Najinsky Veteran Member • Posts: 5,739
Would you pay $1299 for the G1X.3 'L' ?

Well, with just days, maybe hours, to go before the official announcement it looks like the final piece of the G1X.3 jigsaw has now been put into place, and it's a real shocker!

Price: $1299 (!)

If true, this can only really mean the lens is going to be a high performance one, and might even be given an 'L' designation and a matching red ring (!), like they did with the Powershot Pro 13 years ago .

So Anticipated Spec:

  • 24MP APS-C DPAF Sensor
  • 15-44mm f/1.8-3.7 fixed zoom lens equivalent to ~24-70/2.8-5.8 on a 'full frame' 135.
  • 'L' designation for lens (?)
  • Dust and Weather sealed
  • Built in EVF
  • Similar form factor to an EOS-M M5 but with built in lens.
  • Touchscreen with touch AF
  • Dynamic IS

The only question is how many would sir like....

Assuming this spec, and that the lens delivers high optical performance in line with the spec, do you see yourself buying one?

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No, too expensive for me
40.5% 30  votes
No, camera spec doesn't appeal.
25.7% 19  votes
Yes, regardless of video specifications
16.2% 12  votes
Yes, but only if also has 4k video recording.
10.8% 8  votes
Arbitrary missing answer place holder. Fill your boots below
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camfan1 Contributing Member • Posts: 924
Re: Would you pay $1299 for the G1X.3 'L' ? Sure ...

I sure would !

Even $1299 is cheap if this rumoured canon has a true APS-C sensor and fast zoom lens starting under F2 !

Any company would ask at least as much.

I don't even know of any 24-70 mm single lens with rumoured speed at that price point.

If true it will be like the LX100 / typ 109 compact where many m43 users preferred it over ILC m43 cameras since none could offer that type of lens, not even the panasonic F2.8 12-35 lens at $999 could match the incredible F1.7-F2.8 (FF equivalent 24-75 mm F 3.x-6.x).

If this canon zoomlens' speed is anywhere near what is rumoured it is going to crush anything before it !!!

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ShatteredSky
ShatteredSky Senior Member • Posts: 2,065
Re: Would you pay $1299 for the G1X.3 'L' ?

Depends on the final specs and performance (for me mainly autofocus and macro capabilities). Then probably yes. Could be my ultimate underwater rig.

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camfan1 Contributing Member • Posts: 924
Re: Would you pay $1299 for the G1X.3 'L' ? ... the whole deal ...

Fully agree on that !

It's indeed more than about (zoom)lens and sensor specs.

What about EVF type/magnification, shutter speed / flash sync / processor(s)  speed and so many other things ? ... those too ought to be at least acceptable for the price.

However we should always keep in mind that good fast zoomlenses can easily be 'worth' more that $1000 ... a piece !

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ShatteredSky
ShatteredSky Senior Member • Posts: 2,065
Re: Would you pay $1299 for the G1X.3 'L' ? ... the whole deal ...

camfan1 wrote:

However we should always keep in mind that good fast zoomlenses can easily be 'worth' more that $1000 ... a piece !

Yes, that is what they said about the Sony R1 back in the good "old" days ...

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OzarkAggie Senior Member • Posts: 2,153
Re: Would you pay $1299 for the G1X.3 'L' ?

This is what I felt the flagship should be, but I must admit that I'm not an early adopter. Glad to see Canon being more aggressive.

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marksee Contributing Member • Posts: 969
Re: Would you pay $1299 for the G1X.3 'L' ?

$900 to$1,000. I would bet on it.  Canon has established the prices of the Mark I and Mark II at $800 and if the specs are accurate the Mark III will be more, but shouldn't be much more. Same sensor and Digic processor as the SL-2 at $549.

justmeMN Forum Pro • Posts: 10,707
Re: Would you pay $1299 for the G1X.3 'L' ?
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It's too expensive for me, but I am not saying that it's not worth it. It's good to see Canon do something that is (apparently) bold.

Ben Herrmann
Ben Herrmann Forum Pro • Posts: 21,163
Anticipation coupled with questions and concerns...

I have, for a long time, been in the market for excellent, advanced enthusiast models - starting way back with the likes of the Canon G3, Pro 1, Nikon Coolpix 5700, 8700, 8800, Olympus C7070, C8080, and so many more. And yes, they have always been expensive with prices ranging (retail) from $800 through $1500 (even a decade ago). And we we're talkin' models with CCD's ranging in size from the very small 1/1.7" versions up to 2/3" models (which is below the current 1" versions). And their high ISO responses often stopped at ISO 400 and it was best to keep them at ISO 50 to 100 - no higher, due to the noise levels at the time.

Yet here we are - at the end of 2017 - being faced with this pending gorgeous APS-C size sensor model that will be built like a tank, is weather proofed, has an excellent, lens, etc. And they are asking $1299 retail for it (and a friekin' lens hood for $50 - really?). The price so much isn't the big issue here (at least for me, although I won't initially be running to get one).

My focus is now is that I have to question where Canon is going here. Something like this "may" very well cannibalize their EOS-M line of cameras. Think about it here - the M line feature models that will appear very similar to this pending G1X III, and with the current lack of EF-M lenses, what could happen? I have several M cameras - love 'em really - but this pending G1X III is now posed to overlap (replace) the M line?

As an M user, this makes me question Canon's focus/dedication toward their APS-C sized M line of cameras.  With all of the rumors around future M series models that will feature a full framed sized sensor, does this new G1X III project what Canon is now looking at in the future - that is, placing this APS-C sized sensor in Powershot models (phasing out their current M line), while future Canon mirrorless options will be centered around FF options.

What do you folks think here?

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justmeMN Forum Pro • Posts: 10,707
Re: Would you pay $1299 for the G1X.3 'L' ?

marksee wrote: Same sensor and Digic processor as the SL-2 at $549.

You have a valid point, but you are cheating by using a body-only price.

Apparently, the G1 X III's "big expensive feature" is going to be the lens.

MyM6II Senior Member • Posts: 2,424
Re: Anticipation coupled with questions and concerns...
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Ben Herrmann wrote:

My focus is now is that I have to question where Canon is going here. Something like this "may" very well cannibalize their EOS-M line of cameras. Think about it here - the M line feature models that will appear very similar to this pending G1X III, and with the current lack of EF-M lenses, what could happen? I have several M cameras - love 'em really - but this pending G1X III is now posed to overlap (replace) the M line?

It will not replace the 11-22. It will not replace the 55-200. It will not replace the 18-150. I am not sure it will replace the 28 macro. So no it will not replace the M system at all.

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justmeMN Forum Pro • Posts: 10,707
Re: Anticipation coupled with questions and concerns...

Ben Herrmann wrote:

As an M user, this makes me question Canon's focus/dedication toward their APS-C sized M line of cameras. With all of the rumors around future M series models that will feature a full framed sized sensor, does this new G1X III project what Canon is now looking at in the future - that is, placing this APS-C sized sensor in Powershot models (phasing out their current M line), while future Canon mirrorless options will be centered around FF options.

What do you folks think here?

I think Canon is doing a good job of offering "something for everyone", even if it means some overlap. I don't see any possibility of them phasing out their APS-C M line.

(unknown member) Senior Member • Posts: 2,265
Re: Would you pay $1299 for the G1X.3 'L' ?

justmeMN wrote:

marksee wrote: Same sensor and Digic processor as the SL-2 at $549.

You have a valid point, but you are cheating by using a body-only price.

Apparently, the G1 X III's "big expensive feature" is going to be the lens.

It is often the case in all ILC that it is cheaper to get a fast zoom lens with a camera permanently attached than a solo fast lens. Probably this will sell to EOS-M users as an adjunct to their system and a cheap way in to a utility fast zoom.

MyM6II Senior Member • Posts: 2,424
Re: Would you pay $1299 for the G1X.3 'L' ?

Najinsky wrote:

Well, with just days, maybe hours, to go before the official announcement it looks like the final piece of the G1X.3 jigsaw has now been put into place, and it's a real shocker!

Price: $1299 (!)

If true, this can only really mean the lens is going to be a high performance one, and might even be given an 'L' designation and a matching red ring (!), like they did with the Powershot Pro 13 years ago .

So Anticipated Spec:

  • 24MP APS-C DPAF Sensor
  • 15-44mm f/1.8-3.7 fixed zoom lens equivalent to ~24-70/2.8-5.8 on a 'full frame' 135.
  • 'L' designation for lens (?)
  • Dust and Weather sealed
  • Built in EVF
  • Similar form factor to an EOS-M M5 but with built in lens.
  • Touchscreen with touch AF
  • Dynamic IS

The only question is how many would sir like....

Assuming this spec, and that the lens delivers high optical performance in line with the spec, do you see yourself buying one?

If these specs, it will be very disappointing. Too expensive. And the lens is way to short. I was hoping for the same size and same lens as the mark II . But a new 1.5 sensor with some more megapixels and the digic 7 processor. And the same (ish) price as the mII. Everything else about the same as the Mark II would be fine.

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Ben Herrmann
Ben Herrmann Forum Pro • Posts: 21,163
Here's my concern...

Can Canon afford to focus and satisfy users that simultaneously:

1. Use the future (anticipated) Powershot APS-C models. Remember, word has it that other Powershot models will eventually incorporate the APS-C sized sensor.

2. Use the APS-C EOS-M line of mirrorless cameras (of which there are very few lens options - meaning EF-M). Sure you can say, "Hey, they've got the 11-22, the 22, and the macro lens - but beyond that, really?)."

3. Use the projected future FF Mirrorless line, which I'll bet they will really be focusing on and that will be even more expensive.

Eventually, something has to give (IMO) with regards to R&D efforts and financial expenditures. Look at Nikon and what has happened to their Nikon 1 system.

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nnowak Veteran Member • Posts: 9,076
Wrong lens specs
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All of the rumors for this camera state a 24-70mm f2.8-5.6 (equivalent) lens.  That means the actual lens is 15-44mm f2.8-5.6, not f1.8-3.7.  At no time in the history of camera rumors have I ever seen the aperture also quoted as equivalent.

Expecting this camera to have fast red ring L glass is just wishful thinking.

justmeMN Forum Pro • Posts: 10,707
Re: Here's my concern...

Ben Herrmann wrote: Remember, word has it that other Powershot models will eventually incorporate the APS-C sized sensor.

I don't believe that. That would make them too big.

nnowak Veteran Member • Posts: 9,076
Re: Here's my concern...

justmeMN wrote:

Ben Herrmann wrote: Remember, word has it that other Powershot models will eventually incorporate the APS-C sized sensor.

I don't believe that. That would make them too big.

Not if Canon uses slow lenses.  A 15-375mm f5.0-10.0 APS-C lens shouldn't be much bigger than the unit currently in the G3X

justmeMN Forum Pro • Posts: 10,707
Re: Here's my concern...

nnowak wrote:

justmeMN wrote:

Ben Herrmann wrote: Remember, word has it that other Powershot models will eventually incorporate the APS-C sized sensor.

I don't believe that. That would make them too big.

Not if Canon uses slow lenses. A 15-375mm f5.0-10.0 APS-C lens shouldn't be much bigger than the unit currently in the G3X

And the G3 X is dramatically bigger than both the G7 X and G9 X. My rating for that rumor is "Dumb stuff that somebody made up".

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Re: Here's my concern...

justmeMN wrote:

nnowak wrote:

justmeMN wrote:

Ben Herrmann wrote: Remember, word has it that other Powershot models will eventually incorporate the APS-C sized sensor.

I don't believe that. That would make them too big.

Not if Canon uses slow lenses. A 15-375mm f5.0-10.0 APS-C lens shouldn't be much bigger than the unit currently in the G3X

And the G3 X is dramatically bigger than both the G7 X and G9 X. My rating for that rumor is "Dumb stuff that somebody made up".

Just bought a secondhand G3X myself and it is dramatically larger than the G1X II.

I will be glad when all this rumour craziness ends.

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