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DSLR/Mirrorless cameras vs Camcorder footage - Matching both

Started Sep 24, 2017 | Discussions
flip 21
flip 21 Senior Member • Posts: 1,439
DSLR/Mirrorless cameras vs Camcorder footage - Matching both

Hi,

Sorry to bother you...

I used to be UAUed by the videos of some of the camcorders, that I saw on Youtube. The IQ looked superb. Now I find them really bad.

I have some old footage shot on my Canon HV30. I want to mix it  with some of my newer footage, recorded on my NX30. They are both in 1080p, but the old footage (the HV30 one) looks blurry/not sharp... in fact it doesn't look 1080p, when comparing to the NX30... I didn't use a DOF adapter.... I started watching some youtube videos to see the differences...

So here is my question:

I used to love this video (bellow). I thought the main featured that allow for DSLR/mirorrless cameras to have better quality was DOF. But now, I found this old footage, blurry, and not sharp enough, although a DOF adapter was used. It is in Full HD, so why does the quality seem worst? Does it has to do with the old camcorders quality (HV 30, and such)? Or the way Youtube compressed video in the past?

Here is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1atthz1Ji80

And another:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw5s3CvvDko

Hope you understood my concerns...

Thanks

Samsung NX30
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markyboy81 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,778
Re: DSLR/Mirrorless cameras vs Camcorder footage - Matching both

flip 21 wrote:

Hi,

Sorry to bother you...

I used to be UAUed by the videos of some of the camcorders, that I saw on Youtube. The IQ looked superb. Now I find them really bad.

I have some old footage shot on my Canon HV30. I want to mix it with some of my newer footage, recorded on my NX30. They are both in 1080p, but the old footage (the HV30 one) looks blurry/not sharp... in fact it doesn't look 1080p, when comparing to the NX30... I didn't use a DOF adapter.... I started watching some youtube videos to see the differences...

So here is my question:

I used to love this video (bellow). I thought the main featured that allow for DSLR/mirorrless cameras to have better quality was DOF. But now, I found this old footage, blurry, and not sharp enough, although a DOF adapter was used. It is in Full HD, so why does the quality seem worst? Does it has to do with the old camcorders quality (HV 30, and such)? Or the way Youtube compressed video in the past?

Here is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1atthz1Ji80

And another:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw5s3CvvDko

Hope you understood my concerns...

Thanks

The first video is only 720p (on my phone at least). To me the first one looks a little soft, perhaps, but this doesn't detract from the video in my opinion. There seem to be some focusing issues earlier on in the clip that do make parts look blurry, but overall it's a nice video and I'd be happy with it.

The second clip is 1080p and a bit sharper. I'm not sure why you'd necessarily want it to look any sharper than it already is.

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parakalien Contributing Member • Posts: 556
Re: DSLR/Mirrorless cameras vs Camcorder footage - Matching both
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I am a professional videographer for a living. I use the Ursa mini pro 4.6k for the most part, but sometimes I have had to use my nx1 in a pinch, Sony fs700, panasonic g3, and even a cheap Sony Handycam.

When editing the raw footage in premiere you can easily see the difference in cameras and the "professional" $6000 blackmagic looks very sharp, clear, crisp, and clean compared the the others.

BUT when you export for YouTube compression (or in my case TV broadcast) you can't tell the difference.

What really matters is lighting, focus, dof, and color. Those are the things that will translate across any distribution platform.

What it comes down to is that it doesn't really matter what camera you are using I'd you are using it right and fill the frame with beautifully lit interesting subject matter you have a winner.

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flip 21
OP flip 21 Senior Member • Posts: 1,439
Re: DSLR/Mirrorless cameras vs Camcorder footage - Matching both

parakalien wrote:

I am a professional videographer for a living. I use the Ursa mini pro 4.6k for the most part, but sometimes I have had to use my nx1 in a pinch, Sony fs700, panasonic g3, and even a cheap Sony Handycam.

When editing the raw footage in premiere you can easily see the difference in cameras and the "professional" $6000 blackmagic looks very sharp, clear, crisp, and clean compared the the others.

BUT when you export for YouTube compression (or in my case TV broadcast) you can't tell the difference.

What really matters is lighting, focus, dof, and color. Those are the things that will translate across any distribution platform.

What it comes down to is that it doesn't really matter what camera you are using I'd you are using it right and fill the frame with beautifully lit interesting subject matter you have a winner.

Ok, thanks for replying, but what about color?

I also have some footage shot using the old Panasonic TM700. It seemed great back then, but now, comparing to a DSLR, the image doesn't pop. The colors, I mean. They Canon colors, on the DSLR seemed more vivid. Can you tell me how can I match the colors of the Panasonic TM700 to the NX500/NX30 automatically?

Here, take a look at these videos, please:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBA4UGgE66U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkGVI_D567s

What does the footage of the old camcorder Panasonic TM700 lacks, when comparing to the t2i? Or other camera DSLR/Mirrorless? Because I think it lacks something. I'm no expert but I like the IQ of the t2i better... Is it only a matter of DOF? Or maybe it is just a matter of personal taste...

Thanks

trac63 Contributing Member • Posts: 814
Re: DSLR/Mirrorless cameras vs Camcorder footage - Matching both

flip 21 wrote:

parakalien wrote:

I am a professional videographer for a living. I use the Ursa mini pro 4.6k for the most part, but sometimes I have had to use my nx1 in a pinch, Sony fs700, panasonic g3, and even a cheap Sony Handycam.

When editing the raw footage in premiere you can easily see the difference in cameras and the "professional" $6000 blackmagic looks very sharp, clear, crisp, and clean compared the the others.

BUT when you export for YouTube compression (or in my case TV broadcast) you can't tell the difference.

What really matters is lighting, focus, dof, and color. Those are the things that will translate across any distribution platform.

What it comes down to is that it doesn't really matter what camera you are using I'd you are using it right and fill the frame with beautifully lit interesting subject matter you have a winner.

Ok, thanks for replying, but what about color?

I also have some footage shot using the old Panasonic TM700. It seemed great back then, but now, comparing to a DSLR, the image doesn't pop. The colors, I mean. They Canon colors, on the DSLR seemed more vivid. Can you tell me how can I match the colors of the Panasonic TM700 to the NX500/NX30 automatically?

Here, take a look at these videos, please:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBA4UGgE66U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkGVI_D567s

What does the footage of the old camcorder Panasonic TM700 lacks, when comparing to the t2i? Or other camera DSLR/Mirrorless? Because I think it lacks something. I'm no expert but I like the IQ of the t2i better... Is it only a matter of DOF? Or maybe it is just a matter of personal taste...

Thanks

I have a Panasonic TM900 and I will choose it over my NX500 for video 100% of the time. Just because the stabilization, the autofocus, the lens and the overall handling of the TM900 are purpose-built built for video. The sound is way better too.

But then again I am a casual video shooter and my needs are simple. 

flip 21
OP flip 21 Senior Member • Posts: 1,439
Re: DSLR/Mirrorless cameras vs Camcorder footage - Matching both

trac63 wrote:

flip 21 wrote:

parakalien wrote:

I am a professional videographer for a living. I use the Ursa mini pro 4.6k for the most part, but sometimes I have had to use my nx1 in a pinch, Sony fs700, panasonic g3, and even a cheap Sony Handycam.

When editing the raw footage in premiere you can easily see the difference in cameras and the "professional" $6000 blackmagic looks very sharp, clear, crisp, and clean compared the the others.

BUT when you export for YouTube compression (or in my case TV broadcast) you can't tell the difference.

What really matters is lighting, focus, dof, and color. Those are the things that will translate across any distribution platform.

What it comes down to is that it doesn't really matter what camera you are using I'd you are using it right and fill the frame with beautifully lit interesting subject matter you have a winner.

Ok, thanks for replying, but what about color?

I also have some footage shot using the old Panasonic TM700. It seemed great back then, but now, comparing to a DSLR, the image doesn't pop. The colors, I mean. They Canon colors, on the DSLR seemed more vivid. Can you tell me how can I match the colors of the Panasonic TM700 to the NX500/NX30 automatically?

Here, take a look at these videos, please:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBA4UGgE66U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkGVI_D567s

What does the footage of the old camcorder Panasonic TM700 lacks, when comparing to the t2i? Or other camera DSLR/Mirrorless? Because I think it lacks something. I'm no expert but I like the IQ of the t2i better... Is it only a matter of DOF? Or maybe it is just a matter of personal taste...

Thanks

I have a Panasonic TM900 and I will choose it over my NX500 for video 100% of the time. Just because the stabilization, the autofocus, the lens and the overall handling of the TM900 are purpose-built built for video. The sound is way better too.

But then again I am a casual video shooter and my needs are simple.

I often use my TM700. It has a great image, and it is very versatile. Sound quality is great and has a fully articulated LCD. It Is perfect for 1080p video, except in low light and if you want a shallow DOF. However, watching my footage,  colors seemed very soft. Colors doesn't seem to pop. Did you understand what I mean? Colors seemed washed out...

trac63 Contributing Member • Posts: 814
Re: DSLR/Mirrorless cameras vs Camcorder footage - Matching both

flip 21 wrote:

I often use my TM700. It has a great image, and it is very versatile. Sound quality is great and has a fully articulated LCD. It Is perfect for 1080p video, except in low light and if you want a shallow DOF. However, watching my footage, colors seemed very soft. Colors doesn't seem to pop. Did you understand what I mean? Colors seemed washed out...

I suspect that might be  just a case of Panasonic opting for less contrast and colour saturation for a purpose-built video camera.

flip 21
OP flip 21 Senior Member • Posts: 1,439
Re: DSLR/Mirrorless cameras vs Camcorder footage - Matching both

trac63 wrote:

flip 21 wrote:

I often use my TM700. It has a great image, and it is very versatile. Sound quality is great and has a fully articulated LCD. It Is perfect for 1080p video, except in low light and if you want a shallow DOF. However, watching my footage, colors seemed very soft. Colors doesn't seem to pop. Did you understand what I mean? Colors seemed washed out...

I suspect that might be just a case of Panasonic opting for less contrast and colour saturation for a purpose-built video camera.

Ok. Thanks. Do you know if there is any tool to match the color automatically, for Premiere? Thanks

trac63 Contributing Member • Posts: 814
Re: DSLR/Mirrorless cameras vs Camcorder footage - Matching both

flip 21 wrote:

trac63 wrote:

flip 21 wrote:

I often use my TM700. It has a great image, and it is very versatile. Sound quality is great and has a fully articulated LCD. It Is perfect for 1080p video, except in low light and if you want a shallow DOF. However, watching my footage, colors seemed very soft. Colors doesn't seem to pop. Did you understand what I mean? Colors seemed washed out...

I suspect that might be just a case of Panasonic opting for less contrast and colour saturation for a purpose-built video camera.

Ok. Thanks. Do you know if there is any tool to match the color automatically, for Premiere? Thanks

As far as I can tell there is just one menu setting to adjust the colour saturation. Nothing for adjusting the hue. As far as matching the colour mapping, I would not get my hopes up.

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