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Sharpness question on T2i

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billthemountain Junior Member • Posts: 27
Sharpness question on T2i

I'm using a Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L on my old T2i body. I'm always struggling with sharpness.

I switched so my * button is my autofocus. I've always heard the center zone is the most accurate, so I've set that on. So, I took many shots where I focused on a specific area.

Here's an example, where I drew in my focus zone. 1/320, f/3.5, ISO400

Photo without my drawing:

I'm truly confused. I have so many shots that come out soft like this, despite how hard I try. I'm really puzzled.

My questions:

1. I chose what I thought was a fast shutter speed to avoid shake.  Is it possible it was still shake on my end?

2. Is this just the sharpness to expect using f/3.5?  Should I be going for higher?

3. What manual settings would you use?

Thank you!

Canon EOS 550D (EOS Rebel T2i / EOS Kiss X4)
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Digirame Forum Pro • Posts: 41,858
Re: Sharpness question on T2i

Change lenses, focal lengths and apertures and see what you get.  You need to isolate the problem.  It depends on whether it's a RAW photo or out-of-the-camera JPEG and what in-camera sharpness you chose for the JPEG.

OP billthemountain Junior Member • Posts: 27
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Digirame wrote:

Change lenses, focal lengths and apertures and see what you get. You need to isolate the problem. It depends on whether it's a RAW photo or out-of-the-camera JPEG and what in-camera sharpness you chose for the JPEG.

It's a pretty common issue with my 50mm prime and wide angle.  I'll explore more with an aperture (though not sure I have a lot of flexibility there, since I'd prefer not to go higher on ISO).  And yes, it's a RAW.

Stan in NH
Stan in NH Senior Member • Posts: 1,898
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You might also want to try shooting at f/8 to increase your depth of field.  That's a very busy image, and it's hard to find where the point of focus actually is ... if that's the issue.

1/320 should be fast enough to minimize camera shake, but I don't know if you're using a lens with image stabilization or not.

As Digirame already asked, is this raw or jpeg?  Has there been any post processing?  It is also possible that you have a soft lens, but you'd have to have access to other lens to prove or disprove that.

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Digirame Forum Pro • Posts: 41,858
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For each lens, there's a sweet spot for sharpness depending on the aperture and focal length chosen.  Check a lens review to see what that might be.

OP billthemountain Junior Member • Posts: 27
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Stan in NH wrote:

You might also want to try shooting at f/8 to increase your depth of field. That's a very busy image, and it's hard to find where the point of focus actually is ... if that's the issue.

1/320 should be fast enough to minimize camera shake, but I don't know if you're using a lens with image stabilization or not.

As Digirame already asked, is this raw or jpeg? Has there been any post processing? It is also possible that you have a soft lens, but you'd have to have access to other lens to prove or disprove that.

Image stabilization is on, and RAW.  I did a lot of research on the L lens, it's supposed to be a very sharp lense.

Here's where my beginner nature is shining through.  I'm trying to investigate a low aperture as a possible culprit.  If I kept this at 1/320 and boosted to f/8, the ISO would need to be 2000.  Shouldn't I be avoiding high ISOs like this though?

Stan in NH
Stan in NH Senior Member • Posts: 1,898
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billthemountain wrote:

Stan in NH wrote:

You might also want to try shooting at f/8 to increase your depth of field. That's a very busy image, and it's hard to find where the point of focus actually is ... if that's the issue.

1/320 should be fast enough to minimize camera shake, but I don't know if you're using a lens with image stabilization or not.

As Digirame already asked, is this raw or jpeg? Has there been any post processing? It is also possible that you have a soft lens, but you'd have to have access to other lens to prove or disprove that.

Image stabilization is on, and RAW. I did a lot of research on the L lens, it's supposed to be a very sharp lense.

Here's where my beginner nature is shining through. I'm trying to investigate a low aperture as a possible culprit. If I kept this at 1/320 and boosted to f/8, the ISO would need to be 2000. Shouldn't I be avoiding high ISOs like this though?

At this point, trying to figure out the focus, I would suggest using AV at f/8 with auto ISO and see what you get.  In daylight, I doubt the camera will boost the ISO that high,  and I'd worry about that last.

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OP billthemountain Junior Member • Posts: 27
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At this point, trying to figure out the focus, I would suggest using AV at f/8 with auto ISO and see what you get. In daylight, I doubt the camera will boost the ISO that high, and I'd worry about that last.

I like this advice, thank you.  Am I being too cautious with 1/320?  I mean, I don't have a steady hand, but am I over compensating?  What is the average shutter speed for a 100mm lense.  I always heard it was best to match the lense focal range.  So a 100mm lense is 1/100mm.  But I also heard to never go under 1/300.  So I really don't know what the best practice is.

Olga Johnson Forum Pro • Posts: 24,360
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The back of the chair, which is further back than your focus point, appears to be in better focus than the spot you focused on.  I think your lens is back focusing.  If all your lenses are doing that, then it could be your camera.

Do you have access to another camera to test the lens?

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OP billthemountain Junior Member • Posts: 27
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Olga Johnson wrote:

The back of the chair, which is further back than your focus point, appears to be in better focus than the spot you focused on. I think your lens is back focusing. If all your lenses are doing that, then it could be your camera.

Do you have access to another camera to test the lens?

Interesting. I don't, but I've been seriously considering a 5D. If this is a condition my camera can be victim to, that'll definitely push me into a new purchase.

All in all, if at least the area I focus the dot onto is sharp, I'd be happier.  I definitely expected more from these L series lenses based on many Youtube video reviews I watched.

AnthonyL Veteran Member • Posts: 3,686
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billthemountain wrote:

At this point, trying to figure out the focus, I would suggest using AV at f/8 with auto ISO and see what you get. In daylight, I doubt the camera will boost the ISO that high, and I'd worry about that last.

I like this advice, thank you. Am I being too cautious with 1/320? I mean, I don't have a steady hand, but am I over compensating? What is the average shutter speed for a 100mm lense. I always heard it was best to match the lense focal range. So a 100mm lense is 1/100mm. But I also heard to never go under 1/300. So I really don't know what the best practice is.

Best practice is, in general and as you say, 1/FL, so with a 100mm lens then 1/100th and with a 50mm then 1/50th.  Obviously faster if there is no adverse sacrifice elsewhere and best practice does depend on how steady you are as well as how good is your shutter press technique.  I'm not sure I've seen what actual lenses you are using.  You can readily compare a shot taken with your camera on a tripod or a flat surface v hand held to find where your limits are then add a % just to be safe, but 1/300th with a 50mm would for most be far too conservative.

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Stan in NH Senior Member • Posts: 1,898
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I don't think I've seen this asked here, but have you used manual focus?  Are the results the same using AF and manual focus?

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Olga Johnson Forum Pro • Posts: 24,360
Excellent idea!

Stan in NH wrote:

I don't think I've seen this asked here, but have you used manual focus? Are the results the same using AF and manual focus?

Excellent idea! Also I think the T2i has live view. If LV is sharp, then you know there is a fault of the camera in focusing.

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OP billthemountain Junior Member • Posts: 27
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I really appreciate this.  Thank you.

OP billthemountain Junior Member • Posts: 27
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Stan in NH wrote:

I don't think I've seen this asked here, but have you used manual focus? Are the results the same using AF and manual focus?

I have.  My eye is not strong through the viewfinder to ignore the beeps, but I've tried it.  Focusing until I hear the beep and see the little green focus circle.  Same results, unfortunately.

OP billthemountain Junior Member • Posts: 27
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Olga Johnson wrote:

Stan in NH wrote:

I don't think I've seen this asked here, but have you used manual focus? Are the results the same using AF and manual focus?

Excellent idea! Also I think the T2i has live view. If LV is harp, then you know there is a fault of the camera in focusing.

I know they use a different focusing system for live view.  I don't use it (because I shoot outside a lot and I just can't see the screen with the sun), but that makes total sense to try.  I will.

Wave forest Regular Member • Posts: 356
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I agree this is an excellent idea because they are two different focusing systems. I use 550D so I would suggest to use a tripod to try:

1. AF through OVF

2. AF through LVF

3. MF through LVF

Also, have you updated your firmware?

Stan in NH wrote:

I don't think I've seen this asked here, but have you used manual focus? Are the results the same using AF and manual focus?

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