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Stellar astro-shots from the M6 + 22mm (PICS)

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Marco Nero
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Stellar astro-shots from the M6 + 22mm (PICS)
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EOS M6 + EF-M 22mm f/2 STM lens - on the road (but stopped).  Yes, the Mazda's still running.EOS M6 + 22mm - Fresh Apple Pie from the local Orchard at Pie In The Sky Roadhouse at Bilpin in the Blue Mountains.  I had 15 minutes to kill before sunset so Pie seemed like a good idea.
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We've had exceptionally clear skies for the last few days. I had a couple of free evenings to myself so I drove to two of my favorite locations to try and conduct tests with a new filter I'd recently purchased.   I made a last minute decision to arrive in the mountains before the sunset yesterday and caught the last few rays of light and a bite of fresh baked Apple Pie at a local roadhouse before setting up at the nearby lookout that I sometimes use.
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EOS 6D + 24mmL + NiSi Natural Night Filter - EOS M6 fitted with the 22mm f/2 STM lens.

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It seemed to take forever for the city lights in the distance to come on, even after it was quite dark. Since I was at a lookout, quite a few people stopped by to see the view and pulled up with their vehicle headlights trained on me, blinding me until they left.  The Astro-weather webpage I monitor promised exceptionally clear skies with no moon - so I was motivated to make a couple of trip out to this spot.  You could see the light-pollution down below where the suburbs are located and the hotspot of light in the distance was coming from the city of Sydney - almost 2 hours away.
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EOS 6D + 24mmL + NiSi Natural Night Filter ... arriving at the lookout.
The Steering Wheel is on the other side of the car here in Australia.

EOS 6D + 24mmL + NiSi Natural Night Filter... Waiting for the light to drop further.

EOS 6D +24mmL + Nisi Natural Night Filter - EOS M6 ready for duty...  still not dark enough.

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The Milky Way was bright enough and easy enough to see.  Even under the safety lamps at the lookout.  I knew that the EOS M was certainly capable of excellent results with the EF-M 22mm f/2 STM lens and I had wanted to try this same lens on the EOS M6.  An early test on my first weekend using the M6 was limited to the relatively dim Coalsack nebula since it was the only part of the Milky Way in view at the time.  Now that we're in July, the brighter Galactic Core is directly overhead each night so I really wanted to see if I could capture any details using this portable combination.  Aside from the tripod, the EOS M6 + 22mm is quite lightweight and ideal for this sort of subject.
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As you can see from the picture below, there was quite a lot of detailed captured in this single image with the blue hue.  I opted to shoot this in RAW to preserve the fainter stars.  I was able tease some of the details out during editing and the star-making nebulous regions received further color saturation.  Something I like about shooting with Tungsten WB is that the red-violet regions appear more pronounced.  When Auto WB is used, these areas appear to be lacking color.
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The planet Saturn was crossing the Milky Way's core at the time I took this picture so I added some diffraction spikes to make it stand out.  The Tungsten WB colors the stars a little more boldly so I simply enhanced the colors of key stars based on color sampling of the image.   I was VERY surprised to see the fine, filaments in the dark dust-lanes and spent a few extra hours teasing these details out during editing.  I was quite surprised to see the amount of detail captured.
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EOS M6 + EF-M 22mm f/2 STM lens - Saturn Crossing the Milky Way - (diffraction spikes added)
22mm  |  20 seconds  |  f/2.2  |  ISO 2000  | Tungsten WB  |  RAW to JPEG
Edited in Canon Digital Photo Professional 4, Lightroom 4 and Photoshop CS6

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The 11-22mm lens was never ideal for this type of photography, even though it's such a wide lens.  At f/4 the aperture is just a little narrow and although sharp, I've always found it to be too dark for such a faint subject.  The results were better than I was able to capture with this lens on the original EOS M.  And I took this image in RAW instead of JPEG.  My first RAW shot with a camera since 2004.  It still required quite a bit of effort to adjust the image to the point where it was acceptable.  There was also color moire and mottling in the images taken in AWB that needed correction.  It was noisy at ISO 2500 but perhaps a higher ISO would be even worse at f/4. 
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EOS M6 + EF-M 11-22mm f/4 STM lens - Whilst better than the EOS M1, the M6 still produced a fairly muddy image with this lens at f/4.  It took a lot of work to bring any details out.
11mm  |  30 seconds  |  f/4  |  ISO 2500  |  RAW to JPEG
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Since I had the NiSi Night Filter (77mm) on my EF 24mm f/1.4L USM II lens, I thought it might offer me more detail by cutting out the light pollution in the sky... but I was high enough in the mountains that the skies were clear.  I saw no additional detail with the 24mmL lens and instead felt that the EF-M 22mm lens took a more interesting shot. 
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Re: NiSi Natural Night Filters: The purpose of the lilac-violet tint in the glass of this particular filter is to cut out on artificial light reflecting on particles in the air.... specifically yellow frequency light coming from Sodium type street lamps.  It keeps green foliage from turning amber/yellow under Auto White Balance - and makes editing easier... whilst architectural and city-scape shots should look more natural to the eye.  What I found with city shots is that if you don't stop down your lens a little with this filter, you end up with slightly more enhanced purple-fringing.  But the test shots I took gave me some interesting results and my favorite image was the Milky Way with just the Tungsten WB and no filter.
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iPhone 6s - Photographing the M6 with the 6D for the images above

EOS 6D + 24mmL + NiSi Natural Night Filter - first outdoor test with a full moon.

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Marco Nero
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6D + M6 continued (PICS)
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Driving to the nearby Colo River a couple of nights earlier, I took the first two shots below with the EOS 6D + 24mmL lens. Saturn can still be seen crossing the Milky Way (near the top of the image in a similar position to the ones taken with the EOS M6) and I only left after a couple of dozen pictures because it was so cold. About 3c degrees at the time. In less that 12 minutes I'd lost all feeling in my fingertips (I had fingerless gloves on) and ended up getting in my car and returning home where it was warmer. I had the EOS M6 with me but I was too cold to remain motivated.  Also, whenever the self-timer on the camera beeped, a strange bird in a nearby tree would imitate the beeping.  The first time it happened it annoyed me... but it was funny after half a dozen shots.
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EOS 6D + 24mmL - Galactic Core rising with bright Saturn crossing the Milky Way.
24mm | 15sec | f/2 | ISO 2500 | 2x images | JPEG | Tungsten WB

EOS 6D + 24mmL + NiSi Natural Night Filter - Coalsack Nebula in the darker tail of the Milky Way.
3x JPEG images stitched vertically in Photoshop. WB was set to 3500 Kelvin
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The image below is from the set taken last night with the EOS M6 and the same 24mm f/1.4L lens (via the EF-to-EF-M lens adapter).  Though not quite as detailed as the one taken with the Tungsten setting via the 22mm lens, it's still quite interesting.  The aperture was set to f/1.6 and yet it missed some of the finer details - near the core.  It was still pretty darned close in terms of what it captured.
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EOS M6 + EF-M 24mmL lens + NiSi Natural Night Filter - The Galactic Core in lilac hues.
24mm | f/1.6 | 15 seconds | ISO 2500 | RAW to JPEG

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Larawanista
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Re: Stellar astro-shots from the M6 + 22mm (PICS)

Wow! I am so amazed by your talent and your gear! Thank you for having shared.

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Marco Nero
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Noogy...
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Thanks Noogy.
I try to share settings so others with the same (or similar) gear so they know what they can expect to capture. 
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I only recently update to the EOS M6 from the original EOSM camera... and that first model sold for just $299 at one point.  The lens I used was the cheapest Canon lens out there for the EOS M series... just $199.  At these prices, pretty much anyone can afford it.
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The NiSi Natural Night Filter was a bit of an impulse buy after I saw the results from other photographers a week earlier. It was a little more than I was comfortable paying (AUD $220 locally) - and it wasn't even used for that Tungsten shot.
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I tend to resist the urge to buy the latest equipment until I'm hindered by what I'm using at the time.  I was one of the very first people to adopt the EOS M because I felt that the specs were good.  I'm not overly impressed with the prices of the M5 and M6 though.  That DPAF sensor is just a little expensive for my tastes... but Photography is one of my interests and my original EOS M was getting quite old.
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Hopefully any information I shared will be useful to others.

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Funkyd3121 Senior Member • Posts: 1,683
Re: Noogy...

Superb Images - as usual coming from you.  Always great to see your work.

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Re: Stellar astro-shots from the M6 + 22mm (PICS)

As beautiful as always!

Off topic, what kind of head you used for the M6, seems strong enough to support the tracker, I hope the weather gets better for a few days so I could try out 11-22mm with tracker.

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nhannomad wrote:

As beautiful as always!

Off topic, what kind of head you used for the M6, seems strong enough to support the tracker, I hope the weather gets better for a few days so I could try out 11-22mm with tracker.

Tracker ? Then it dawned on me, it was the Aboriginal tracker sitting in the bush making the beeping noises.

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He had a photographic memory that was never developed.

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jjz2 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,386
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Also, whenever the self-timer on the camera beeped, a strange bird in a nearby tree would imitate the beeping.

Those are great images, but this is the best part of the thread! 

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HeyItsJoel
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What is a "Natural Night Filter?"

What does it do?

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Re: What is a "Natural Night Filter?"

HeyItsJoel wrote:

What does it do?

The NiSi Natural Night Filter or the silly bird in the tree?

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Re: What is a "Natural Night Filter?"

the filter.

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Re: Stellar astro-shots from the M6 + 22mm (PICS)
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Forget your incredible Astro shots just gimme the apple pie! Is that a flaky crust?

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Very nice photos, as usual, Marco.  It is interesting to see how much the stars smear over such a short exposure.  Reminds me of just how fast we are all moving.  Is the smearing reduced much if you shoot the sky closer to the horizon or does that just increase the exposure time and give you the same results?

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great work from 22mm lens

i have it with the 11-22mm and never regret from the results

did you notice difference in m6 image quality compared to the m3 ?

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thamer08 wrote:

great work from 22mm lens

i have it with the 11-22mm and never regret from the results

did you notice difference in m6 image quality compared to the m3 ?

I didn't end up buying the EOS M3.  I went from the original EOSM to the EOS M6.  There's a difference in the images in produces.  They're smoother and more detained - from what I can see.   I feel that the M6 is slightly more sensitive to low light environments and therefore is even better than the original M for Astrophotography.  However, the differences are subtle:  You would need to compare two identically exposed pictures from each camera in order to see the differences.

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HeyItsJoel wrote:

the filter.

This Natural Night Filter from NiSi cuts out the undesirable light frequencies present in light pollution, resulting in clearer night sky photographs with more easily corrected color tones. https://nisifilters.com.au/product/nisi-100x100mm-natural-night-filter/

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Rockin_Robin wrote:

Forget your incredible Astro shots just gimme the apple pie! Is that a flaky crust?

It sure it.  Always delicious!
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MikeJ9116 wrote:

Very nice photos, as usual, Marco. It is interesting to see how much the stars smear over such a short exposure. Reminds me of just how fast we are all moving. Is the smearing reduced much if you shoot the sky closer to the horizon or does that just increase the exposure time and give you the same results?

There's no smearing on the stars in the 22mm shots.  There's a minor amount of coma towards the edges which is fairly well controlled for the apertures used.  But on the super-sharp 11-22mm lens @ f/4, the nebulous areas of the Milky Way are soft and many of the dimmer stars are not visible due to their rendering scales per-pixel.  I noticed this before when using this lens on the original EOSM to shoot the Milky Way a couple of years ago (see images below).  Note that these images have been enhanced during processing to lighten the brighter spots of the Milky Way.  The unedited JPEGs were underwhelming.
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EOS M Mk1 + 11-22mm

EOS M Mk1 + 11-22mm

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MikeJ9116 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,955
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Thanks for the explanation.

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  1. Macro, I always enjoy your post and pictures.
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