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Using EOS-M to copy slides/negatives

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Re: Using EOS-M to copy slides/negatives
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nahueljo wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

nahueljo wrote:

The scans from the lab are ok, but they are low res jpeg files that I think are even scanned a bit out of focus or with some softness applied.

Dedicated scanners typically have a very deep depth of field. The softness comes from the “dust-removal” software that they get run through afterwards.

Do a test run at a number of labs to see which suits you best.

So I'm going to buy this lens for my Canon M50 and build a scan setup. Thanks!

A DIY setup can be as simple or complex as you want. Do avoid the (numerous) pitfalls. And be prepared to spend copious amounts of time in post, even with good software (such as Silverfast).

Biggest tip: Get your negs/slides as DUST-FREE as possible! Avoid scratching!

Best of luck!

R2

Thanks!

I got my lens today and did some test scans to compare with the scans from the lab. So far, I'm very happy! here's a test comparison, with some zoom:

Hopefully you're able to tell which one is which lol

Left is mine, right is the lab. In mine I see the grain is a lot "finer" and subtle, plus a lot better tonal range I think?

Very nice job!  Yours is waaay better.

I scanned a few color ones and the result is not as good as the lab. Color needs a lot more post-processing and my DYI setup is lacking something to hold the negative flat on the light bed. Right not I have a cheap (but very bright) LED panel with cardboard cutout to block the light outside the frame of the image (poorly...) and my canon m50 on a tripod.

Color negs are tough.  Here’s where you might want to try some commercial software (like Silverfast).

Get yourself a negative holder (about $20).  Use a large depth of field (but don’t go into diffraction).

And yes, dust is your works enemy 🤣

👍

Have fun!

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Larry Rexley Senior Member • Posts: 1,238
Re: Using EOS-M to copy slides/negatives
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Larry Rexley wrote:

I have a lot of my Dad's old Kodachrome slides. I transferred about 10 boxes of slides so far. I used the M6 mark ii and Canon EF-S 55-250 IS STM with an extension tube, in a dark room the slides about 3-4 feet away from the lens, behind the slides was a piece of white paper lit by 2 3000k LED work lights.

This worked very well for me --- as I could use my standard workflow using DxO Photolab to process the results quickly. DxO excels at white balancing, adjusting colors and tones, contrast --- but it's best attribute is its ability to sharpen and de-noise. I was able to bring the grain to the level where you just see a hint of it.

I have tried quite a few film scanners and like you found them FAR too slow to make doing more than just a handful of slides or negatives very painful.

I just got the EF-M 28mm macro a month ago --- based on your results I am going to try that next! I think I will try putting a bunch of empty filter rings, and then some 'step-up' rings (I have a full set stepping up from 49mm to 82mm with many rings) to see if 35mm slides will 'fit' in one of the rings.... I'll try to make a make-shift slide adapter at the right distance to fill the frame with a slide.

I'll report back how it goes.

I spent some time making a slide duplicator for the EF-M 28mm macro lens with several step-up rings, and a bunch of old filters with the glass removed. I found that the setup worked best when the slide film plane was about 32mm from the plane of the front of the ES-22 adapter (43mm filter thread) mounted on the EF-M 28mm lens like so:

From the front of the ES-22 filter adapter is the following: a 43->55mm step-up ring (4mm thick) - a stack of empty 55mm filters, including an empty polarizer filter ring which allows you to rotate the slide to 'level it' before shooting (the stack is 26mm thick from the front of the 43->55 step-up ring to the rear of the 55->67mm step up ring), and a 55->67mm step-up ring (4mm thick: the slide sits inside this about halfway, or about 2mm from the front of the filter stack).

This would also work with a step-up ring 43mm->52mm, stack of empty 52mm filters 26mm thick, and a step-up ring 52->67mm. That would be even better, as the 55->67mm step up ring allows a tiny amount of light around the edges of the slide, and a 52->67mm ring wouldn't.  But I had all the right stuff to do a 55mm stack and the step-up rings for my infrared work, so I used them. it would also work with a 49mm stack and the appropriate step-up rings, but anything smaller than 49mm would block light from the edges of the slide.

Square slides are slightly too large to fit into the 67mm step-up ring, but I 'nip' about 1mm off each corner with a pair of scissors, so that the slides will sit snugly and securely in the ring without moving or falling out. Some of the slides processed by Kodak have rounded corners already and fit perfectly into the 55-67mm step-up ring.

To get a good light source, I used two work lights with 60-watt 3000k LED light bulbs placed 3 inches away from a stack of white printer paper. It is best if they are high quality LED lights with a Color Rendering Index of at least 90 to produce better full-spectrum color source, and I pointed the duplicator at a perfectly uniform part of the white paper, with the slide just a couple inches from the paper. I shot the images using Auto-White-balance with White Priority, but also would white balance in post using the eyedropper on something that was gray or white, when possible.

Exposures seem to be between 1/8 second and 1/30 second with this setup at ISO 100. It is important to shoot at ISO 100 to get the best dynamic range and most highilght and shadow detail to work with - critical for slide work.

If the filter stack is tight and snug, you can use slower exposures like 1/4s as the slide will not move relative to the camera sensor --- but you have to make sure to turn lens image stabilization off through the camera menus!! Otherwise the lens stabilizer will try to compensate for your hand-held motion (if you are hand-holding) which you do NOT want as the slide will move with the sensor and motion of the whole setup should not cause any blurring of the slide. I've gotten tack-sharp duplicates at 1/4 second (see last image below).

The problem with duplicating slides with most setups is that slides have an extremely high contrast range --- higher than a lot of duplicators can output. But the Canon M6ii, M50, and M200 have a great dynamic range that should be enough for most slides. Often you'll have to cut the contrast way back in post, or bring up the shadows pretty dramatically, and/or cut the highlights, especially if the original slide was shot in bright sunlight.

DxO PhotoLab is great at handling wide dynamic range, and as I've mentioned before, has great sharpening and de-noise abilities as well. Experimenting, I've also found that the micro-contrast feature of DxO works well for reducing the excessive grain that older slides often have, by dialing back the micro-contrast below the zero point, almost to the minimum value of the range.

Here's a typical example using one of my Dad's Kodachrome slides originally taken and processed in 1961 (61 years ago) with a vintage Kodak Pony 135 camera, a rangefinder 35mm camera. My dad used a hand-held light meter to determine exposure.

Here's the result right out of the duplicator --- in DxO Photolab 5, I have only white-balanced the image and downsampled it to 2160 pixels high:

1. 1961 Kodachrome slide duplicated with the Canon M6ii & EF-M 28mm f3.5 lens at f5.6, 1/25s, ISO 100

Here's the result after cropping the image and adjusting exposure, downsizing to 2160 pixels high with no other processing:

2. Same image after cropping and adjusting exposure, downsampling to 2160 pixels high

And here's a 'final' image after doing the following:

- Custom tone curve to bring out shadow and midrange detail

- Turn on Deep Prime de-noise, set to +95 to reduce severe grain

- Increase global sharpness to +50 to bring out detail (and balance de-noise sharpness loss)

- Apply unsharp mask of radius 91, Threshold 0, intensity 140 to bring out detail and balance de-noise

- Decrease micro-contrast to negative (-) 95 to further de-emphasize grain and dust

- Increase contrast to +20 to offset loss of contrast due to decreasing microcontrast

- Increase overall color vibrancy and saturation to +10, increase blue channel saturation to +10 to bring out blue in the sky and ocean, reduce Orange channel saturation to -30 to balance the skin tones

- Use the repair tool to 'clone out' most of the obvious dust on the slide (as R2 says it is best to blow or clean the slides before shooting to avoid this as much as possible!). I left a few so that you can see how reducing micro-contrast and increasing de-noise also reduced the impact of the dust fairly effectively

- Downsize image to 2160 pixels high (that resolution still captures all the detail in the image) - downsizing helps reduce the grain further. 'Bicubic Sharper' interpolation was used to preserve detail, and export image quality 85 was used to keep image size reasonable while maintaining very good image quality

3. Final image after processing for tone curve, de-noise, sharpness, reducing grain, repairing dust

Finally, here's another slide duplicated.... this was a Kodachrome slide from the late 1990's that I took with a Canon T70 and a sharp Canon lens.

This one needed a lot of color adjustment, but no custom tone curve.... only bringing up the shadows a bit. Similar de-noise and sharpening to the image above --- but I did not need to dial the microcontrast or contrast at all, they were both left at zero.

The train is unsharp as it was moving and the shutter speed wasn't very fast, however the bridge trestle is extremely sharp and shows no grain. This one was downsample to 2160 pixels wide, so is the same scale as the previous image.

4. Burlington-Northern train seen from a trestle on a hike, somewhere out West. Original was a late 1990's Kodachrome slide, duplicated with Canon M6ii, EF-M 28mm f3.5 lens at f5.6, 1/4s (hand-held in home-made duplicator), ISO 500

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nahueljo New Member • Posts: 4
Re: Using EOS-M to copy slides/negatives

Larry Rexley wrote:

Very interesting! Good result.

I have a lot of my Dad's old Kodachrome slides. I transferred about 10 boxes of slides so far. I used the M6 mark ii and Canon EF-S 55-250 IS STM with an extension tube, in a dark room the slides about 3-4 feet away from the lens, behind the slides was a piece of white paper lit by 2 3000k LED work lights.

Wow, 3-4 feet away sounds pretty far. Yet the result you posted is very decent!

For color films, I did some research and the light you use is very important. I have a very cheap LED panel which for B&W works like a charm. Here's one that I was very disappointed when I got it from the lab but re-scanning it my self gave it new life! lol

Lab scan

Canon M50 + 28mm Canon Macro Lens

I honestly love the result. The exposure is not quite there yet I think, not sure what I did wrong in the post processing, but I like it anyways.

I use Darktable + negadoctor (Linux user here :P)

I have tried quite a few film scanners and like you found them FAR too slow to make doing more than just a handful of slides or negatives very painful.

Take a look at this video: https://youtu.be/pjmL5FgAUpU

he recommends a scanner called Prime Film XAs which is around $500 and it's amazing, just look at his results!

I just got the EF-M 28mm macro a month ago --- based on your results I am going to try that next! I think I will try putting a bunch of empty filter rings, and then some 'step-up' rings (I have a full set stepping up from 49mm to 82mm with many rings) to see if 35mm slides will 'fit' in one of the rings.... I'll try to make a make-shift slide adapter at the right distance to fill the frame with a slide.

Awesome! I'd love to see your scans.

Here's a sample from my 55-250 work... a slide of me holding a kitten at the age of 8! The film was badly faded but I was able to get some color out of it. It might not have even been done with DxO.... at any rate my post-processing skills are far better now and I'm sure I could do much better with the latest DxO PL!

That's just cute

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nahueljo New Member • Posts: 4
Re: Using EOS-M to copy slides/negatives

Larry Rexley wrote:

I spent some time making a slide duplicator for the EF-M 28mm macro lens with several step-up rings, and a bunch of old filters with the glass removed. I found that the setup worked best when the slide film plane was about 32mm from the plane of the front of the ES-22 adapter (43mm filter thread) mounted on the EF-M 28mm lens like so:

Ok that looks SICK. I have a 3d printer, that should be easy to replicate. I'm goint to print a film slider (or whatever they are called) to hold the film in place and avoid light spill from the top of the film which is my biggest issue now I think. This should block 100% of the light coming from outside!

To get a good light source, I used two work lights with 60-watt 3000k LED light bulbs placed 3 inches away from a stack of white printer paper. It is best if they are high quality LED lights with a Color Rendering Index of at least 90 to produce better full-spectrum color source, and I pointed the duplicator at a perfectly uniform part of the white paper, with the slide just a couple inches from the paper. I shot the images using Auto-White-balance with White Priority, but also would white balance in post using the eyedropper on something that was gray or white, when possible.

Do you have an external flash? I read some comments on youtube recommending it but never seen it done. It should allow you to use faster shutter speeds for better sharpness.

Exposures seem to be between 1/8 second and 1/30 second with this setup at ISO 100. It is important to shoot at ISO 100 to get the best dynamic range and most highilght and shadow detail to work with - critical for slide work.

Yup! I am able to go to 1/500 or so which is great because I have a tripod and it's not super sturdy.

If the filter stack is tight and snug, you can use slower exposures like 1/4s as the slide will not move relative to the camera sensor --- but you have to make sure to turn lens image stabilization off through the camera menus!! Otherwise the lens stabilizer will try to compensate for your hand-held motion (if you are hand-holding) which you do NOT want as the slide will move with the sensor and motion of the whole setup should not cause any blurring of the slide. I've gotten tack-sharp duplicates at 1/4 second (see last image below).

The problem with duplicating slides with most setups is that slides have an extremely high contrast range --- higher than a lot of duplicators can output. But the Canon M6ii, M50, and M200 have a great dynamic range that should be enough for most slides. Often you'll have to cut the contrast way back in post, or bring up the shadows pretty dramatically, and/or cut the highlights, especially if the original slide was shot in bright sunlight.

DxO PhotoLab is great at handling wide dynamic range, and as I've mentioned before, has great sharpening and de-noise abilities as well. Experimenting, I've also found that the micro-contrast feature of DxO works well for reducing the excessive grain that older slides often have, by dialing back the micro-contrast below the zero point, almost to the minimum value of the range.

Here's a typical example using one of my Dad's Kodachrome slides originally taken and processed in 1961 (61 years ago) with a vintage Kodak Pony 135 camera, a rangefinder 35mm camera. My dad used a hand-held light meter to determine exposure.

Here's the result right out of the duplicator --- in DxO Photolab 5, I have only white-balanced the image and downsampled it to 2160 pixels high:

1. 1961 Kodachrome slide duplicated with the Canon M6ii & EF-M 28mm f3.5 lens at f5.6, 1/25s, ISO 100

Here's the result after cropping the image and adjusting exposure, downsizing to 2160 pixels high with no other processing:

2. Same image after cropping and adjusting exposure, downsampling to 2160 pixels high

And here's a 'final' image after doing the following:

- Custom tone curve to bring out shadow and midrange detail

- Turn on Deep Prime de-noise, set to +95 to reduce severe grain

- Increase global sharpness to +50 to bring out detail (and balance de-noise sharpness loss)

- Apply unsharp mask of radius 91, Threshold 0, intensity 140 to bring out detail and balance de-noise

- Decrease micro-contrast to negative (-) 95 to further de-emphasize grain and dust

- Increase contrast to +20 to offset loss of contrast due to decreasing microcontrast

- Increase overall color vibrancy and saturation to +10, increase blue channel saturation to +10 to bring out blue in the sky and ocean, reduce Orange channel saturation to -30 to balance the skin tones

- Use the repair tool to 'clone out' most of the obvious dust on the slide (as R2 says it is best to blow or clean the slides before shooting to avoid this as much as possible!). I left a few so that you can see how reducing micro-contrast and increasing de-noise also reduced the impact of the dust fairly effectively

- Downsize image to 2160 pixels high (that resolution still captures all the detail in the image) - downsizing helps reduce the grain further. 'Bicubic Sharper' interpolation was used to preserve detail, and export image quality 85 was used to keep image size reasonable while maintaining very good image quality

3. Final image after processing for tone curve, de-noise, sharpness, reducing grain, repairing dust

Damn. Thanks for such detailed explanation! I'll keep this as a reference to imitate with my setup + software, which is quite different. But I love your results. If I'm honest, I do love #2. I think it looks a bit more organic? But kinda high in contrast too. Maybe the de-noising removed some of the detail in the water in #3. I do love natural grain though.

Finally, here's another slide duplicated.... this was a Kodachrome slide from the late 1990's that I took with a Canon T70 and a sharp Canon lens.

This one needed a lot of color adjustment, but no custom tone curve.... only bringing up the shadows a bit. Similar de-noise and sharpening to the image above --- but I did not need to dial the microcontrast or contrast at all, they were both left at zero.

The train is unsharp as it was moving and the shutter speed wasn't very fast, however the bridge trestle is extremely sharp and shows no grain. This one was downsample to 2160 pixels wide, so is the same scale as the previous image.

4. Burlington-Northern train seen from a trestle on a hike, somewhere out West. Original was a late 1990's Kodachrome slide, duplicated with Canon M6ii, EF-M 28mm f3.5 lens at f5.6, 1/4s (hand-held in home-made duplicator), ISO 500

Beautiful shot. Great scan as well! Crazy sharp!

Amazing work Larry, thanks for sharing! It sure is inspiring and informative!

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Re: Using EOS-M to copy slides/negatives
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Larry Rexley wrote:

I spent some time making a slide duplicator for the EF-M 28mm macro lens with several step-up rings, and a bunch of old filters with the glass removed. I found that the setup worked best when the slide film plane was about 32mm from the plane of the front of the ES-22 adapter (43mm filter thread) mounted on the EF-M 28mm lens like so:

From the front of the ES-22 filter adapter is the following: a 43->55mm step-up ring (4mm thick) - a stack of empty 55mm filters, including an empty polarizer filter ring which allows you to rotate the slide to 'level it' before shooting (the stack is 26mm thick from the front of the 43->55 step-up ring to the rear of the 55->67mm step up ring), and a 55->67mm step-up ring (4mm thick: the slide sits inside this about halfway, or about 2mm from the front of the filter stack).

This would also work with a step-up ring 43mm->52mm, stack of empty 52mm filters 26mm thick, and a step-up ring 52->67mm. That would be even better, as the 55->67mm step up ring allows a tiny amount of light around the edges of the slide, and a 52->67mm ring wouldn't. But I had all the right stuff to do a 55mm stack and the step-up rings for my infrared work, so I used them. it would also work with a 49mm stack and the appropriate step-up rings, but anything smaller than 49mm would block light from the edges of the slide.

Square slides are slightly too large to fit into the 67mm step-up ring, but I 'nip' about 1mm off each corner with a pair of scissors, so that the slides will sit snugly and securely in the ring without moving or falling out. Some of the slides processed by Kodak have rounded corners already and fit perfectly into the 55-67mm step-up ring.

To get a good light source, I used two work lights with 60-watt 3000k LED light bulbs placed 3 inches away from a stack of white printer paper. It is best if they are high quality LED lights with a Color Rendering Index of at least 90 to produce better full-spectrum color source, and I pointed the duplicator at a perfectly uniform part of the white paper, with the slide just a couple inches from the paper. I shot the images using Auto-White-balance with White Priority, but also would white balance in post using the eyedropper on something that was gray or white, when possible.

Exposures seem to be between 1/8 second and 1/30 second with this setup at ISO 100. It is important to shoot at ISO 100 to get the best dynamic range and most highilght and shadow detail to work with - critical for slide work.

If the filter stack is tight and snug, you can use slower exposures like 1/4s as the slide will not move relative to the camera sensor --- but you have to make sure to turn lens image stabilization off through the camera menus!! Otherwise the lens stabilizer will try to compensate for your hand-held motion (if you are hand-holding) which you do NOT want as the slide will move with the sensor and motion of the whole setup should not cause any blurring of the slide. I've gotten tack-sharp duplicates at 1/4 second (see last image below).

The problem with duplicating slides with most setups is that slides have an extremely high contrast range --- higher than a lot of duplicators can output. But the Canon M6ii, M50, and M200 have a great dynamic range that should be enough for most slides. Often you'll have to cut the contrast way back in post, or bring up the shadows pretty dramatically, and/or cut the highlights, especially if the original slide was shot in bright sunlight.

DxO PhotoLab is great at handling wide dynamic range, and as I've mentioned before, has great sharpening and de-noise abilities as well. Experimenting, I've also found that the micro-contrast feature of DxO works well for reducing the excessive grain that older slides often have, by dialing back the micro-contrast below the zero point, almost to the minimum value of the range.

Here's a typical example using one of my Dad's Kodachrome slides originally taken and processed in 1961 (61 years ago) with a vintage Kodak Pony 135 camera, a rangefinder 35mm camera. My dad used a hand-held light meter to determine exposure.

Here's the result right out of the duplicator --- in DxO Photolab 5, I have only white-balanced the image and downsampled it to 2160 pixels high:

1. 1961 Kodachrome slide duplicated with the Canon M6ii & EF-M 28mm f3.5 lens at f5.6, 1/25s, ISO 100

Here's the result after cropping the image and adjusting exposure, downsizing to 2160 pixels high with no other processing:

2. Same image after cropping and adjusting exposure, downsampling to 2160 pixels high

And here's a 'final' image after doing the following:

- Custom tone curve to bring out shadow and midrange detail

- Turn on Deep Prime de-noise, set to +95 to reduce severe grain

- Increase global sharpness to +50 to bring out detail (and balance de-noise sharpness loss)

- Apply unsharp mask of radius 91, Threshold 0, intensity 140 to bring out detail and balance de-noise

- Decrease micro-contrast to negative (-) 95 to further de-emphasize grain and dust

- Increase contrast to +20 to offset loss of contrast due to decreasing microcontrast

- Increase overall color vibrancy and saturation to +10, increase blue channel saturation to +10 to bring out blue in the sky and ocean, reduce Orange channel saturation to -30 to balance the skin tones

- Use the repair tool to 'clone out' most of the obvious dust on the slide (as R2 says it is best to blow or clean the slides before shooting to avoid this as much as possible!). I left a few so that you can see how reducing micro-contrast and increasing de-noise also reduced the impact of the dust fairly effectively

- Downsize image to 2160 pixels high (that resolution still captures all the detail in the image) - downsizing helps reduce the grain further. 'Bicubic Sharper' interpolation was used to preserve detail, and export image quality 85 was used to keep image size reasonable while maintaining very good image quality

3. Final image after processing for tone curve, de-noise, sharpness, reducing grain, repairing dust

Really nice tute Larry!  Well done with the processing.  Now it finally looks like a real DIGITAL image!!!  

R2

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Great to see people getting good results with the Canon macro lens. I will have to try it and see how it compares with my setup. I have a 4x5 leafscanner and I am using the 75mm APO-Rodagon enlarging lens from it with a bellows and getting really good results, just as good as with the dedicated scanner and also as good as a high end Nikon Coolscan that I tried.

I thought I'd mention the APO-Rodagon (may not have it spelled correctly) because some people are getting rid of their Leafscanners and if you look around, you might pick up the lens for a great price.

Also wanted to mention that this software is reputed to be the best for color negatives. I don't own it myself but only heard good things.

https://www.negativelabpro.com/

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Larry Rexley Senior Member • Posts: 1,238
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R2D2 wrote:

Larry Rexley wrote:

I spent some time making a slide duplicator for the EF-M 28mm macro lens with several step-up rings, and a bunch of old filters with the glass removed. I found that the setup worked best when the slide film plane was about 32mm from the plane of the front of the ES-22 adapter (43mm filter thread) mounted on the EF-M 28mm lens like so:

From the front of the ES-22 filter adapter is the following: a 43->55mm step-up ring (4mm thick) - a stack of empty 55mm filters, including an empty polarizer filter ring which allows you to rotate the slide to 'level it' before shooting (the stack is 26mm thick from the front of the 43->55 step-up ring to the rear of the 55->67mm step up ring), and a 55->67mm step-up ring (4mm thick: the slide sits inside this about halfway, or about 2mm from the front of the filter stack).

This would also work with a step-up ring 43mm->52mm, stack of empty 52mm filters 26mm thick, and a step-up ring 52->67mm. That would be even better, as the 55->67mm step up ring allows a tiny amount of light around the edges of the slide, and a 52->67mm ring wouldn't. But I had all the right stuff to do a 55mm stack and the step-up rings for my infrared work, so I used them. it would also work with a 49mm stack and the appropriate step-up rings, but anything smaller than 49mm would block light from the edges of the slide.

Square slides are slightly too large to fit into the 67mm step-up ring, but I 'nip' about 1mm off each corner with a pair of scissors, so that the slides will sit snugly and securely in the ring without moving or falling out. Some of the slides processed by Kodak have rounded corners already and fit perfectly into the 55-67mm step-up ring.

To get a good light source, I used two work lights with 60-watt 3000k LED light bulbs placed 3 inches away from a stack of white printer paper. It is best if they are high quality LED lights with a Color Rendering Index of at least 90 to produce better full-spectrum color source, and I pointed the duplicator at a perfectly uniform part of the white paper, with the slide just a couple inches from the paper. I shot the images using Auto-White-balance with White Priority, but also would white balance in post using the eyedropper on something that was gray or white, when possible.

Exposures seem to be between 1/8 second and 1/30 second with this setup at ISO 100. It is important to shoot at ISO 100 to get the best dynamic range and most highilght and shadow detail to work with - critical for slide work.

If the filter stack is tight and snug, you can use slower exposures like 1/4s as the slide will not move relative to the camera sensor --- but you have to make sure to turn lens image stabilization off through the camera menus!! Otherwise the lens stabilizer will try to compensate for your hand-held motion (if you are hand-holding) which you do NOT want as the slide will move with the sensor and motion of the whole setup should not cause any blurring of the slide. I've gotten tack-sharp duplicates at 1/4 second (see last image below).

The problem with duplicating slides with most setups is that slides have an extremely high contrast range --- higher than a lot of duplicators can output. But the Canon M6ii, M50, and M200 have a great dynamic range that should be enough for most slides. Often you'll have to cut the contrast way back in post, or bring up the shadows pretty dramatically, and/or cut the highlights, especially if the original slide was shot in bright sunlight.

DxO PhotoLab is great at handling wide dynamic range, and as I've mentioned before, has great sharpening and de-noise abilities as well. Experimenting, I've also found that the micro-contrast feature of DxO works well for reducing the excessive grain that older slides often have, by dialing back the micro-contrast below the zero point, almost to the minimum value of the range.

Here's a typical example using one of my Dad's Kodachrome slides originally taken and processed in 1961 (61 years ago) with a vintage Kodak Pony 135 camera, a rangefinder 35mm camera. My dad used a hand-held light meter to determine exposure.

Here's the result right out of the duplicator --- in DxO Photolab 5, I have only white-balanced the image and downsampled it to 2160 pixels high:

1. 1961 Kodachrome slide duplicated with the Canon M6ii & EF-M 28mm f3.5 lens at f5.6, 1/25s, ISO 100

Here's the result after cropping the image and adjusting exposure, downsizing to 2160 pixels high with no other processing:

2. Same image after cropping and adjusting exposure, downsampling to 2160 pixels high

And here's a 'final' image after doing the following:

- Custom tone curve to bring out shadow and midrange detail

- Turn on Deep Prime de-noise, set to +95 to reduce severe grain

- Increase global sharpness to +50 to bring out detail (and balance de-noise sharpness loss)

- Apply unsharp mask of radius 91, Threshold 0, intensity 140 to bring out detail and balance de-noise

- Decrease micro-contrast to negative (-) 95 to further de-emphasize grain and dust

- Increase contrast to +20 to offset loss of contrast due to decreasing microcontrast

- Increase overall color vibrancy and saturation to +10, increase blue channel saturation to +10 to bring out blue in the sky and ocean, reduce Orange channel saturation to -30 to balance the skin tones

- Use the repair tool to 'clone out' most of the obvious dust on the slide (as R2 says it is best to blow or clean the slides before shooting to avoid this as much as possible!). I left a few so that you can see how reducing micro-contrast and increasing de-noise also reduced the impact of the dust fairly effectively

- Downsize image to 2160 pixels high (that resolution still captures all the detail in the image) - downsizing helps reduce the grain further. 'Bicubic Sharper' interpolation was used to preserve detail, and export image quality 85 was used to keep image size reasonable while maintaining very good image quality

3. Final image after processing for tone curve, de-noise, sharpness, reducing grain, repairing dust

Really nice tute Larry! Well done with the processing. Now it finally looks like a real DIGITAL image!!!

R2

I found a 'gotcha' if you use LED light bulbs as a light source.... when your shutter speed gets to around 1/60s and faster, you start to get banding! Best to stop down and keep speeds to 1/40s and slower.

1/40s:

1/125 second (banding visible)

Both those images are from Kodachrome slide film, taken in 1959. That film is nothing short of remarkable. All the old E-6 color slide film more than 20-30 years old are fading, some badly.

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Re: Banding with LED lights for shutter speed >= 1/60s
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Larry Rexley wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

Really nice tute Larry! Well done with the processing. Now it finally looks like a real DIGITAL image!!!

R2

I found a 'gotcha' if you use LED light bulbs as a light source.... when your shutter speed gets to around 1/60s and faster, you start to get banding! Best to stop down and keep speeds to 1/40s and slower.

General purpose LED's can certainly do this. Fortunately the easy fix is to use either flash or an LED light that is designed for photography . No banding, high CRI, adjustable output, portable, battery-powered, flat even light source when diffused, most have adjustable color temp, tripod socket for mounting.

My favorite lights are the compact Aputure LED panels that I got from B&H...

Amaran AL-F7

They use the common Sony NP-F lithium batteries, or can be powered via USB-C (but output is cut in half). They also have a D-Tap input if anyone has a D-Tap video power pack.

When you're done duping, you can take these lights (I have 2 of them) outside for shooting macros, or use them for video, or your "favorite" Zoom meeting!

1/40s:

1/125 second (banding visible)

Both those images are from Kodachrome slide film, taken in 1959. That film is nothing short of remarkable. All the old E-6 color slide film more than 20-30 years old are fading, some badly.

Yup, time is a-tickin away! Good luck to you!

R2

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FWIW, I notice this well praised software for copying color negatives is having the yearly sale, I also notice it only works with Lightroom. I don't own it but I'd probably buy it if I was copying a lot of color negs.

https://natephotographic.gumroad.com/l/negative-lab/friday2022?ck_subscriber_id=1061575354

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Re: Negative Lab Pro vs Colorperfect
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Another alternative for color negative conversion, one that's been around for years, is ColorPerfect. https://www.colorperfect.com/Welcome

It's a photoshop plugin only, unfortunately, but works magic in color conversion of color negatives. Hasn't had much further development in years, but neither has color film...

I should note that I've been trying out the JCC adapter (and their light source) with my M6ii and 100mm L macro. Seems to work about as well as my dedicated slide scanner, a Canon FS4000. Here's a discussion of the JCC: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4656918

One of these days, I'll get around to posting some examples if anyone is interested.

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