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SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit

Started Jul 23, 2017 | User reviews
OP ck_WTB Regular Member • Posts: 367
Re: So Would You Say..?

MikeJ9116 wrote:

ZedDoctor wrote:

Would you say the price difference is worth it? Local camera store has SL1 18-55 for 499 where as the SL2 18-55 is 699.

Gonna be trading in some gear to fund either the SL1 or SL2.. already have some Canon lenses to use.

I would get the SL2 hands down over the SL1. Its sensor alone is worth the extra $200, IMO. Add to that the DPAF, tilt screen, WiFi/Bluetooth/NFC connectability and the smaller kit lens and it makes the decision even easier.

Agreed, there’s no question in my mind and for my usage that the SL2 is a worthy upgrade over the SL1. As MikeJ9116 indicated, the sensor is a major upgrade. The older 18mp sensor was decent when it was first released, but the new 24mp sensor is exceptional in comparison. I no longer experience an image quality penalty when moving from full frame to crop sensor. And as noted in the review, the SL2 is a winner overall.

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OP ck_WTB Regular Member • Posts: 367
Re: Too many models already! Exactly !!

c.hammett wrote:

jwilliams wrote:

Too many models already! Part of the problem is Canon has too many APSC models already. Just among the 24MP DPAF they now have 4 models. I'm not even sure how many more they have with other chip tech. I say 3 models max. Basically a low end model SL2/T7i. mid level 77D and High end 80D. That is enough. They should concentrate on making these models as complete as possible in their respective product niche.

More product refinement and less product expansion.

Exactly ! It is too confusing, and I honestly don't know how a newbie could possibly choose the best camera for his / her needs.

carolyn

While there likely are too many models, I find the current SL2 > T7i > 77D > 80D line up to be helpful. Each model steps up with slightly more features and a slight increase in size, weight and price. I placed pre-orders for two SL2s, one for me and one for my mother. I cancelled one and only picked up one. I will be heading to Pro Photo Supply with my mother in a few days to run through the differences between the SL2, T7i and 77D while letting her figure out which is the best upgrade to her beloved SL1.

When she was only using the excellent compact and light weight 10-18, 18-55 and 55-250 IS STM lens kit, then the SL1 and SL2 were a good match. She has recently “upgraded” to the new 18-135 and 70-300 IS Nano USM lenses when Canon had smoking hot deals on refurbished units. Because those lenses are larger, heavier and have more capable AF systems, I am now leaning towards the 77D for her.

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OP ck_WTB Regular Member • Posts: 367
Re: SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit
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jwilliams wrote:

BirdShooter7 wrote:

I can't see the logic in withholding AFMA. It like saying, hey, buy this camera if you don't care if your lenses focus accurately or not...

When every other serious camera out there was a DSLR and didn't have AFMA it was no big deal. Nobody had an advantage over canon. Not true anymore.

Probably 3 reasons for not having it on lower models.

1 - afraid of unknowledgeable users screwing up their cameras AF

2 - they don't take mirrorless benefits vs DSLR seriously

3 - another reason to upsell the customer

Autofocus micro-adjustment was one of the biggest pre-purchase issues for my SL2 purchase. As noted in other postings, I was hoping that Canon would switch to mirrorless EF mount with the SL2 and 6D2 releases. I can’t make the M line’s limited lens selection and EF adapter work for my usage other than ultra compact backpacking and hiking and social outings. That said, I much prefer the M line’s LiveView shooting style with Touch AF for accurate focus. The actual AF operation is on the slow side, but the overall focusing and composing time is much, much less for my style of photography (non-moving subjects like buildings, landscapes, products, etc).

As far as AFMA, I agree and prefer for all Canon DLSRs to have AFMA, however, I have not found it to be the solution as it is still limited to one or two focal length settings and a single focus distance. When critical focus is required I still use manual focusing through LiveView. Again, I am hoping for a Canon EF mirrorless to be released in the near future. Without that, then I can’t imagine my 15-years of using Canon will last more than 2-3 years.

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shadowz Contributing Member • Posts: 545
Re: SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit

ck_WTB wrote:

I picked up a SL2 body on Friday from my local neighborhood camera store, Pro Photo Supply in Portland. I purchased the SL2 because it is the smallest native EF mount for use with my compact EF primes (EF 28mm f/2.8 IS, EF 40mm f/2.8 STM, and EF 50 f/1.8 STM), and to compliment my existing bodies (6D and M).

We already know the sensor is one of Canon’s best and more than good enough for just about any task. Adding an updated swivel touch screen and wireless connectivity help make the SL2 a compelling offering for $550, and a great camera for anyone’s kit, especially when your kit includes the $125 EF 50mm f/1.8 STM lens. That lens is a perfect companion to the SL2, pretty much a match made in heaven. The body and lens have the same finish and same remarkably feather weight. Every time I pick up the SL2 with 50/1.8 STM, I am blown away with what it can do, yet weigh next to nothing.

I wish Canon would have launched this body with a new EF 20mm f/1.8 STM similar to the 50 STM, and offered a 20 + 50 lens kit. This kit could have gone to press, along with a marketing campaign about a revival of the compact SLR + prime lens era. This could be the ultimate kit for those looking to step up from their smartphone to shoot in low-light with shallow depth-of-field, and to experiment and discover the photographer’s eye.

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Photographer’s kit:

- EF 20mm f/1.8 STM

- EF 50mm f/1.8 STM

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Pancake kit:

- EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM

- EF 40mm f/2.8 STM

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Traveler’s kit:

- EF-S 10-18mm IS STM

- EF-S 18-55mm IS STM

- EF-S 55-250mm IS STM

- EF-S 35mm f/2.8 IS STM macro

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Video kit:

- EF-S 18-135 IS Nano USM

- EF 70-300 IS Nano USM

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Compared to the SL1

I was a huge fan of the SL1 and thought it was Canon’s best counter argument to mirrorless, so I am glad to see the SL2 arrive with so many new features and refinements. That said, based on my initial use, there are a few aspects that went in the wrong direction from the original SL1:

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Eye Proximity Sensor & Related Touch Screen Issues

The SL1 has an eye proximity sensor, but it has been removed from the SL2, much to my disappointment. There’s a new “DISP” button located near the shutter that is easily and quickly pressed. This is apparently Canon’s solution, but here’s the problem, the SL2 has a small optical viewfinder (OVF) and lack a top info display screen, so that means the main rear screen needs to be used to check setting and to change settings.

Canon’s default configuration is for the rear display to show information, but since the it’s a touch screen my nose activates the screen when shooting through the OVF, prompting the camera to remind you to use the Q button to change settings. To avoid this situation I went custom function settings and change C.FnIV: Operation/Others LCD display when power on to 1: Previous display status. This creates a different problem in which the new DISP button needs to be pressed to activate the rear screen for settings, and then press it again to disable as you bring it to your eye, and then repeat as required. Not so great.

The other option is to disable touch control. This will allow the rear display to act as info display, but it means that battery life will be reduced and that the display stays active when looking through the OVF, which I find distracting. Adding touch control and touch shutter to the My Menu helps make this less of an annoyance. However, even with that work around, I am reluctant to disable touch screen, which make the camera operation so much faster and so much more powerful when using LiveView.

And there it is, LiveView. This camera works very well in LiveView, but if I were planning to use LiveView for most shooting then the M6 would be a more compelling option. The problem with the M6 and all other M bodies is that the lens selection is very limited, and adding the EF adapter makes for a camera body that is as large and notable heavier than the SL2. The T7i / 800D is Canon’s next smallest and lightest Canon DSLR. It also lacks a top info screen and eye proximity sensor, so this usability issue seems to be unavoidable with Canon at the moment.

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Grip Issues

I am found of the SL2’s revised top layout with new button over the SL1, however, this new layout required the grip to be extend out further. The SL2’s grip feels even tighter and sharper than the already tight and sharp SL1. The grip’s long protrusion and sharp angle cause my hand to cramp when holding tightly with my lower three fingers. If I hold the camera loosely then it isn’t a problem, and since the camera + lens is usually has a low weight, then a light hold is all that is required. So it is workable, but I believe the grip could be more comfortable for a wider range of hand sizes if the gap was filled in and the grip protrusion was then made smaller while also being a bit wider and more round.

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Increased Size and Weight

The SL2 is a bit larger and heavier than the SL1. While the SL2 is still small, it has grown just enough that when placed side-by-side with a 6D the size difference is no longer as striking. The weight has increased, but it’s still strikingly light compared to the 6D. Resolving the above two issues would have increased the weight further, but I think it would have been worth the extra weight.

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Conclusion

Considering the above issues have a fairly significant impact on usability, I would say that Canon’s 77D / 9000D is the lowest cost, smallest and lightest DSLR with full usability. The problem is that $900 for body only is a lot more than $500, 5.2 x 3.9 x 3.0 is notably larger than 4.8 x 3.7 x 2.8, and 540g is a lot heavier than 453g. So despite the SL2’s flaws, I still think it is a worthy addition to anyone’s Canon kit.

Thanks for the great write up ....!:)

does the touch screen allow for touch enabled spot metering in live view/movies?

thanks

regards

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plantdoc Veteran Member • Posts: 4,339
Re: SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit
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All slr should include this feature since I think it is strictly firmware based and would cost nothing to include. Can be critical for accurate focus with some lenses.

Greg

plantdoc Veteran Member • Posts: 4,339
Re: SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit

I find the m3 to be OK for travel type pics. The "staying on" issue is a bigger pain requiring constant on off button. This issue slows down the camera more than the AF. Anyone remember manual AF? Poor design. The eye sensor on the sl2  seems like another poor design.

Greg

plantdoc Veteran Member • Posts: 4,339
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I need to stick with Canon because I have too much gear locked to this system. If I was starting from scratch, I would be seriously looking at mirror less without brand restrictions.

Greg

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Re: SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit

Depends on your shooting needs; the original M does it for some folks. I find the M5 does it for me. The M3 was just okay, it was about 90% my needs but still loosing out on 10% is a lot vs the M5 is like 98.7% of my needs which you're loosing like a hair more than 1%, meh.

Yes, the power-on time of the M3 is twice that of the M5, also lost many a shot that way too.

These days I don't loose many shots due to the camera, more the operator, which is how it should be.

plantdoc Veteran Member • Posts: 4,339
Re: SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit

Unfortunately the M5 is not priced appropriately based on the technology and competition

Greg

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Re: SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit

Indeed.

There's another thread on the M forum regarding the M5 body only being $719 at Abe's of Maine, but it may be split kit or grey market. It does go to show, due to currency fluctuation, Canon's marketing, or kit-ing, the M5 can be sold at $719 and still a profit turned. Shoot the SL2 probably costs more to make and it's MSRP $549 in the states.

jwilliams Veteran Member • Posts: 6,395
Re: SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit

ck_WTB wrote:

jwilliams wrote:

BirdShooter7 wrote:

I can't see the logic in withholding AFMA. It like saying, hey, buy this camera if you don't care if your lenses focus accurately or not...

When every other serious camera out there was a DSLR and didn't have AFMA it was no big deal. Nobody had an advantage over canon. Not true anymore.

Probably 3 reasons for not having it on lower models.

1 - afraid of unknowledgeable users screwing up their cameras AF

2 - they don't take mirrorless benefits vs DSLR seriously

3 - another reason to upsell the customer

Autofocus micro-adjustment was one of the biggest pre-purchase issues for my SL2 purchase. As noted in other postings, I was hoping that Canon would switch to mirrorless EF mount with the SL2 and 6D2 releases. I can’t make the M line’s limited lens selection and EF adapter work for my usage other than ultra compact backpacking and hiking and social outings. That said, I much prefer the M line’s LiveView shooting style with Touch AF for accurate focus. The actual AF operation is on the slow side, but the overall focusing and composing time is much, much less for my style of photography (non-moving subjects like buildings, landscapes, products, etc).

As far as AFMA, I agree and prefer for all Canon DLSRs to have AFMA, however, I have not found it to be the solution as it is still limited to one or two focal length settings and a single focus distance. When critical focus is required I still use manual focusing through LiveView. Again, I am hoping for a Canon EF mirrorless to be released in the near future. Without that, then I can’t imagine my 15-years of using Canon will last more than 2-3 years.

Yeah an SL2 with an EVF is what I was hoping for too.  There is no reason not to do a camera like that.  Look at how many APSC camera they have.  How about making ONE camera that is a bold approach?

I guess things like that just aren't ever gonna happen with a company like Canon.

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Jonathan

jwilliams Veteran Member • Posts: 6,395
Re: SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit

plantdoc wrote:

Unfortunately the M5 is not priced appropriately based on the technology and competition

Greg

Why should it be any different than all the other Canon cameras?

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