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SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit

Started Jul 23, 2017 | User reviews
ck_WTB Regular Member • Posts: 367
SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit
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I picked up a SL2 body on Friday from my local neighborhood camera store, Pro Photo Supply in Portland. I purchased the SL2 because it is the smallest native EF mount for use with my compact EF primes (EF 28mm f/2.8 IS, EF 40mm f/2.8 STM, and EF 50 f/1.8 STM), and to compliment my existing bodies (6D and M).

We already know the sensor is one of Canon’s best and more than good enough for just about any task. Adding an updated swivel touch screen and wireless connectivity help make the SL2 a compelling offering for $550, and a great camera for anyone’s kit, especially when your kit includes the $125 EF 50mm f/1.8 STM lens. That lens is a perfect companion to the SL2, pretty much a match made in heaven. The body and lens have the same finish and same remarkably feather weight. Every time I pick up the SL2 with 50/1.8 STM, I am blown away with what it can do, yet weigh next to nothing.

I wish Canon would have launched this body with a new EF 20mm f/1.8 STM similar to the 50 STM, and offered a 20 + 50 lens kit. This kit could have gone to press, along with a marketing campaign about a revival of the compact SLR + prime lens era. This could be the ultimate kit for those looking to step up from their smartphone to shoot in low-light with shallow depth-of-field, and to experiment and discover the photographer’s eye.

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Photographer’s kit:

- EF 20mm f/1.8 STM

- EF 50mm f/1.8 STM

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Pancake kit:

- EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM

- EF 40mm f/2.8 STM

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Traveler’s kit:

- EF-S 10-18mm IS STM

- EF-S 18-55mm IS STM

- EF-S 55-250mm IS STM

- EF-S 35mm f/2.8 IS STM macro

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Video kit:

- EF-S 18-135 IS Nano USM

- EF 70-300 IS Nano USM

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Compared to the SL1

I was a huge fan of the SL1 and thought it was Canon’s best counter argument to mirrorless, so I am glad to see the SL2 arrive with so many new features and refinements. That said, based on my initial use, there are a few aspects that went in the wrong direction from the original SL1:

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Eye Proximity Sensor & Related Touch Screen Issues

The SL1 has an eye proximity sensor, but it has been removed from the SL2, much to my disappointment. There’s a new “DISP” button located near the shutter that is easily and quickly pressed. This is apparently Canon’s solution, but here’s the problem, the SL2 has a small optical viewfinder (OVF) and lack a top info display screen, so that means the main rear screen needs to be used to check setting and to change settings.

Canon’s default configuration is for the rear display to show information, but since the it’s a touch screen my nose activates the screen when shooting through the OVF, prompting the camera to remind you to use the Q button to change settings. To avoid this situation I went custom function settings and change C.FnIV: Operation/Others LCD display when power on to 1: Previous display status. This creates a different problem in which the new DISP button needs to be pressed to activate the rear screen for settings, and then press it again to disable as you bring it to your eye, and then repeat as required. Not so great.

The other option is to disable touch control. This will allow the rear display to act as info display, but it means that battery life will be reduced and that the display stays active when looking through the OVF, which I find distracting. Adding touch control and touch shutter to the My Menu helps make this less of an annoyance. However, even with that work around, I am reluctant to disable touch screen, which make the camera operation so much faster and so much more powerful when using LiveView.

And there it is, LiveView. This camera works very well in LiveView, but if I were planning to use LiveView for most shooting then the M6 would be a more compelling option. The problem with the M6 and all other M bodies is that the lens selection is very limited, and adding the EF adapter makes for a camera body that is as large and notable heavier than the SL2. The T7i / 800D is Canon’s next smallest and lightest Canon DSLR. It also lacks a top info screen and eye proximity sensor, so this usability issue seems to be unavoidable with Canon at the moment.

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Grip Issues

I am found of the SL2’s revised top layout with new button over the SL1, however, this new layout required the grip to be extend out further. The SL2’s grip feels even tighter and sharper than the already tight and sharp SL1. The grip’s long protrusion and sharp angle cause my hand to cramp when holding tightly with my lower three fingers. If I hold the camera loosely then it isn’t a problem, and since the camera + lens is usually has a low weight, then a light hold is all that is required. So it is workable, but I believe the grip could be more comfortable for a wider range of hand sizes if the gap was filled in and the grip protrusion was then made smaller while also being a bit wider and more round.

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Increased Size and Weight

The SL2 is a bit larger and heavier than the SL1. While the SL2 is still small, it has grown just enough that when placed side-by-side with a 6D the size difference is no longer as striking. The weight has increased, but it’s still strikingly light compared to the 6D. Resolving the above two issues would have increased the weight further, but I think it would have been worth the extra weight.

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Conclusion

Considering the above issues have a fairly significant impact on usability, I would say that Canon’s 77D / 9000D is the lowest cost, smallest and lightest DSLR with full usability. The problem is that $900 for body only is a lot more than $500, 5.2 x 3.9 x 3.0 is notably larger than 4.8 x 3.7 x 2.8, and 540g is a lot heavier than 453g. So despite the SL2’s flaws, I still think it is a worthy addition to anyone’s Canon kit.

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OP ck_WTB Regular Member • Posts: 367
Re: SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit
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Some smartphone snapshots of the SL2

SL2 w/ EF 40mm STM

SL2 w/ EF 28mm f/2.8 IS

SL2 w/ EF 50mm f/1.8 STM and 6D w/ EF 85mm f/1.8

SL2 and 6D

SL2 and 6D

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MikeJ9116 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,958
Re: SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit

A very good review.  Thanks for taking the time to do it.

Olga Johnson Forum Pro • Posts: 24,360
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The eye sensor is a big deal to me.  I am glad you brought it up.

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jwilliams Veteran Member • Posts: 6,395
No Eye Sensor ?
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The part about removing the eye sensor really bugs me.  It sounds like it makes the camera almost unmanagable to me.  Having the rear screen on when using OVF is annoying, but having the touch function on is sure to cause multiple problems.  Turning touch off removes one of the great features of the camera.  I am just shaking my head that they could do something so stupid.  The SL1 worked fine as is.  I always thought the user interface was well thought out.  If this is a change to save a few $ on an eye sensor it is really upsetting.  If someone actually thought adding the button was better ... well that may be even worse.

I was all set to buy one, but not now.  Small thing maybe, but incredibly STUPID!!!!!!

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MikeJ9116 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,958
Re: No Eye Sensor ?
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jwilliams wrote:

I was all set to buy one, but not now. Small thing maybe, but incredibly STUPID!!!!!!

It is things like no eye sensor in touch screen cameras that will drive me away from Canon all together.  They did this by design and why they did it just shows how little they value their user base.  They have to always leave something out that should be included in order to push a user to buy the next model up, or two models up in the case of the eye sensor (77D), to get a feature that should be in every camera with a viewfinder and touch screen.  I am about done with Canon and, for me, making a brand change is looking more and more likely.

jwilliams Veteran Member • Posts: 6,395
Another Question if Anybody Knows ...

jwilliams wrote:

The part about removing the eye sensor really bugs me. It sounds like it makes the camera almost unmanagable to me. Having the rear screen on when using OVF is annoying, but having the touch function on is sure to cause multiple problems. Turning touch off removes one of the great features of the camera. I am just shaking my head that they could do something so stupid. The SL1 worked fine as is. I always thought the user interface was well thought out. If this is a change to save a few $ on an eye sensor it is really upsetting. If someone actually thought adding the button was better ... well that may be even worse.

I was all set to buy one, but not now. Small thing maybe, but incredibly STUPID!!!!!!

I looked at the T7i and 77D as possible alternatives.   I see the T7i also has a 'disp' button, but not on the 77D.  I'm guessing the T7i works same as SL2, but 77D has an eye sensor.  Anybody know for sure?

If I'm right then I have to pay an extra $300 to go up to 77D.  That might not be so terrible if it wasn't for the fact that it has a smaller viewfinder than Sl2.  You would think going up the line would improve some features while keeping all others at least as good as the cheaper models.  Apparently not.

30+ yrs of Canon cameras and I'm having a hard time seeing me buying another one, ever.  I know they aren't making these just for me, but the product development and lack of innovation are just getting to the point where I can't figure out what is going on at Canon.  Maybe I just want something different, but I can't help but feel that many might feel similar.

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Selene Senior Member • Posts: 1,308
Re: SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit

At the risk of sounding really stupid, what is the "eye proximity sensor"? I just got the camera and see the difference in the top between the Sl/1 and Sl/2 but didn't particularly notice much difference in how it worked. I also didn't notice much difference in size though I like the smaller grip on the Sl/1. I also preferred the old style Q menu.  Is there anyway to get that back on the Sl/2.  I admittedly have not had too much time to use it.  I have mostly used the Sl/1 for taking pictures of birds, whales, etc from boats, ziplines, etc., so it is not my main camera.  I think this one will be much better, but am stuck working inside right now so cannot really tell.

In any case, I appreciate your very thorough review and think I mostly agree with it.

RedFox88 Forum Pro • Posts: 30,738
Dynamic range?

is the ISO 100 raw DR same as 80D or is it crippled like the 6D2?

Selene Senior Member • Posts: 1,308
Re: SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit

Here is an image from the Sl/2.  Note that the light is terrible--pretty dark with light coming in from skylights. My cat's head is in both light and shadow. Was taken with the 18-135 stm at F 5.6, so shallow depth of field. This was raw. I brought down the shadows and lifted the highlights just to see what I could do, as I often have situations life this when kayaking in the golden hour.  Not my best photo, but some sense of using the camera in a difficult situation.  The better test will be using it how I intend to use it, but I think it will work out pretty well.

FD Contributing Member • Posts: 549
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Is there a level/horizon in the SL2 ?

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c.hammett Forum Pro • Posts: 12,125
Re: No Eye Sensor ? ..a work around ? p.301 online manual?
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jwilliams wrote:

The part about removing the eye sensor really bugs me. It sounds like it makes the camera almost unmanagable to me. Having the rear screen on when using OVF is annoying, but having the touch function on is sure to cause multiple problems. Turning touch off removes one of the great features of the camera. I am just shaking my head that they could do something so stupid. The SL1 worked fine as is. I always thought the user interface was well thought out. If this is a change to save a few $ on an eye sensor it is really upsetting. If someone actually thought adding the button was better ... well that may be even worse.

I was all set to buy one, but not now. Small thing maybe, but incredibly STUPID!!!!!!

I had no idea that the auto-turnoff eye sensor was not there on the SL2.   I use the VF 95 % of the time, and so this really bothers me.  So I scoured the online SL2 manual and on p. 301 found under "Focus Settngs 2",  there are three options for turning the LCD off or on.  The first option lets you press the shutter button 1/2 way , (as when you use the VF to  focus), the LCD will turn off.   It will come back on when you either release the shutter, or take the picture.

Where am I wrong here ?  It seems to me that it is sort of automatic for the LCD to turn off when you use the VF  to focus  There are two other options using the DISP button to turn off the LCD.

Let me know if I'm reading this right ??

carolyn

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c.hammett Forum Pro • Posts: 12,125
Re: SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit

FD wrote:

Is there a level/horizon in the SL2 ?

My camera isn't here yet, so I don't have camera in hand. But there is a grid display shown in the Menu Options 5,   p. 209 in the online manual.

carolyn

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Selene Senior Member • Posts: 1,308
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c.hammett wrote:

jwilliams wrote:

The part about removing the eye sensor really bugs me. It sounds like it makes the camera almost unmanagable to me. Having the rear screen on when using OVF is annoying, but having the touch function on is sure to cause multiple problems. Turning touch off removes one of the great features of the camera. I am just shaking my head that they could do something so stupid. The SL1 worked fine as is. I always thought the user interface was well thought out. If this is a change to save a few $ on an eye sensor it is really upsetting. If someone actually thought adding the button was better ... well that may be even worse.

I was all set to buy one, but not now. Small thing maybe, but incredibly STUPID!!!!!!

I had no idea that the auto-turnoff eye sensor was not there on the SL2. I use the VF 95 % of the time, and so this really bothers me. So I scoured the online SL2 manual and on p. 301 found under "Focus Settngs 2", there are three options for turning the LCD off or on. The first option lets you press the shutter button 1/2 way , (as when you use the VF to focus), the LCD will turn off. It will come back on when you either release the shutter, or take the picture.

Where am I wrong here ? It seems to me that it is sort of automatic for the LCD to turn off when you use the VF to focus There are two other options using the DISP button to turn off the LCD.

Let me know if I'm reading this right ??

carolyn

This is how I have mine set up to work. The back display turns off when I push the button half way down and doesn't come back on until after I either release the button or take the picture.  Am I missing something I didn't know I had on the Sl/1?

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Selene Senior Member • Posts: 1,308
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On my photo, I meant to say that I reduced the highlights and raised the shadows.  I can get a bit dyslexic sometimes when multitasking.  I am looking forward to really trying it out.  I think it will be a good basic camera for what I want.

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Selene wrote:

c.hammett wrote:

jwilliams wrote:

The part about removing the eye sensor really bugs me. It sounds like it makes the camera almost unmanagable to me. Having the rear screen on when using OVF is annoying, but having the touch function on is sure to cause multiple problems. Turning touch off removes one of the great features of the camera. I am just shaking my head that they could do something so stupid. The SL1 worked fine as is. I always thought the user interface was well thought out. If this is a change to save a few $ on an eye sensor it is really upsetting. If someone actually thought adding the button was better ... well that may be even worse.

I was all set to buy one, but not now. Small thing maybe, but incredibly STUPID!!!!!!

I had no idea that the auto-turnoff eye sensor was not there on the SL2. I use the VF 95 % of the time, and so this really bothers me. So I scoured the online SL2 manual and on p. 301 found under "Focus Settngs 2", there are three options for turning the LCD off or on. The first option lets you press the shutter button 1/2 way , (as when you use the VF to focus), the LCD will turn off. It will come back on when you either release the shutter, or take the picture.

Where am I wrong here ? It seems to me that it is sort of automatic for the LCD to turn off when you use the VF to focus There are two other options using the DISP button to turn off the LCD.

Let me know if I'm reading this right ??

carolyn

This is how I have mine set up to work. The back display turns off when I push the button half way down and doesn't come back on until after I either release the button or take the picture. Am I missing something I didn't know I had on the Sl/1?

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Thanks Selene for verifying that this option on the Focus Settings 2 works as I thought it would.  Like I mentioned, I use the VF 95% of the time and use the 1/2 press of the shutter to lock focus, so it seems fairly natural to me that it should work.  BUT I don't have the camera in hand, so you are the proof !

Thanks a bunch Selene... if someone finds we are wrong, please advise !

carolyn

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Re: SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit

Selene wrote:

Here is an image from the Sl/2. Note that the light is terrible--pretty dark with light coming in from skylights. My cat's head is in both light and shadow. Was taken with the 18-135 stm at F 5.6, so shallow depth of field. This was raw. I brought down the shadows and lifted the highlights just to see what I could do, as I often have situations life this when kayaking in the golden hour. Not my best photo, but some sense of using the camera in a difficult situation. The better test will be using it how I intend to use it, but I think it will work out pretty well.

I think your picture of this gorgeous gray kitty is wonderful ! It is beautifully monochromatic with its gray / beige background , and the ineresting textures and diagonals of sunlight and kitty. Thanks for posting it

I have a "Tortie" (tortoishell) cat. Her fur is black with a lot of caramel and and vanilla patterning. She looks like her name "Snickers". I don't think I've ever gotten a very good exposure of Snickers in strongly mixed light, because the SL1 picks up too much of her lighter colors or else if I focus on the darker part, the lights are too bright. But in even lighting I get good exposure.  So I'm anxious to see if the SL2 improves my Snickers in strong light and shadow.

Cheers - carolyn

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OP ck_WTB Regular Member • Posts: 367
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Yeah, I mentioned that in the review. You have to move up to the 77D to get a camera with an eye proximity sensor, which means a noticeable jump up in price, size and weight. That said, there's also an increase in features, including a top info display.

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Re: No Eye Sensor ? ..a work around ? p.301 online manual?
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I had no idea that the auto-turnoff eye sensor was not there on the SL2. I use the VF 95 % of the time, and so this really bothers me. So I scoured the online SL2 manual and on p. 301 found under "Focus Settngs 2", there are three options for turning the LCD off or on. The first option lets you press the shutter button 1/2 way , (as when you use the VF to focus), the LCD will turn off. It will come back on when you either release the shutter, or take the picture.

Where am I wrong here ? It seems to me that it is sort of automatic for the LCD to turn off when you use the VF to focus There are two other options using the DISP button to turn off the LCD.

Let me know if I'm reading this right ??

carolyn

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I do not have a page 301 in my printed manual, and just tried searching the PDF for “Focus Settings 2” but didn’t come with anything. So without having reviewed your reference but tested out the camera, you are correct, when you half press the shutter the rear display disables. That’s great and all, but the display reappears and since the does not have automatic brightness control, the on/off process can be very distracting. If you are in a darker space, then the rear display can be very bright and make it harder to see through the OVF. Further, if you bring the camera up to your eye before half pressing the shutter, which is my normal process, then you still have the nose activating touch screen issue.

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MikeJ9116 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,958
Re: SL2: A great addition to any Canon kit

Selene wrote:

On my photo, I meant to say that I reduced the highlights and raised the shadows. I can get a bit dyslexic sometimes when multitasking. I am looking forward to really trying it out. I think it will be a good basic camera for what I want.

Can you tell us your impression of the silent shutter function?  Does it make a noticeable difference in reducing the sound of the shutter actuation?

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