Canon G11 - Looking To Replace

Thanks for the reply. My G11 is working fine, one of my objectives with upgrading is lens speed. G11 shots during the evening are difficult and I find myself adjusting ISO significantly in order to acquire an acceptable shutter speed. Another thing about the G11 is that it doesn't present blues/purples very well in the final image. I guess maybe I'm just looking to move into the 21st century too...., and want something that handles somewhat like the G11. It appears the G7XII includes modifications that make it easier to handle with only my right hand.

PENZZZ wrote: In the Canon lineup, did the G7x (now Mark II) turn out to be the replacement for the G line I own?

I consider the G5 X to be the replacement for the G11, because both have viewfinders. Unfortunately, the G5 X hasn't had its DIGIC 7 / Mark II upgrade yet.

Thanks justmeMN, my apologies for not reviewing the G5X before starting this topic. In reviewing the other Canon cameras I'd read the G5X hadn't been upgraded, so didn't look it over. Since I'm not in a big hurry to buy, I'll continue to research the G5X and G7X model capabilities and see whether a G5X upgrade comes along in the next few months.

Macro wrote:

After much lengthy research and comparing, I finally replaced my G11 with a G5x last November.

At the top of my list of requirements were EVF, swivel screen, and flash hot shoe.

I first hesitated at the price. Then B&H had a deal that included a free Canon Speedlite 90EX flash. Not as powerful as a 270EX(II), but a nice compact size for the G5x.

All compact cameras include compromises.

The G5x does NOT have...

the fastest focus
the best image quality
the closest macro capability

I always use a light wrist strap for security and to help steady the shot. Like any compact with many controls, accidental button pushes happen.

The G5x have the features I want and works great as my "go-anywhere-anytime" camera.

If I need better images and performance, then I take my Fuji X-T2 kit.

Thank you Macro, I really appreciate my G11 swivel screen. But if I'm upgrading I'll probably want fairly fast focus, good image quality, and good macro capability. It appears you're stating the G5X doesn't score well in these three categories. Maybe when the G5X gets upgraded it will.

PENZZZ wrote:

Quality Macro capability required - natural insects and trout flies. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Don't get a G7X II for macro.  They are not very useful for that.   In every other way they absolutely trounce the old G series, but they can't do macro.

I know this is the Canon section, but you may also consider the FujiFilm X30.

Don't get a G7X II for macro. They are not very useful for that. In every other way they absolutely trounce the old G series, but they can't do macro.

I've been gathering that about the G7X II, though some say if you fiddle with it you can get good results. Nothing is simple anymore....

PENZZZ wrote:

Thanks for the reply. My G11 is working fine, one of my objectives with upgrading is lens speed. G11 shots during the evening are difficult and I find myself adjusting ISO significantly in order to acquire an acceptable shutter speed. Another thing about the G11 is that it doesn't present blues/purples very well in the final image. I guess maybe I'm just looking to move into the 21st century too...., and want something that handles somewhat like the G11. It appears the G7XII includes modifications that make it easier to handle with only my right hand.

IMO nothing has replaced the Gxx series, and the CCD sensor cameras still take wonderful photos at low ISO.

For your color issues, if jpeg have you tried shooting in the neutral picture style, then editing in post? You could also shoot raw, of course.

Thanks Kung Fu. No, I haven't done a lot of picture editing. The color wash I was trying to describe was photographing pale/powder blue (or purple) flowers and seeing little to no color in the jpeg image. Other colors seem ok.

PENZZZ wrote:

Thanks Kung Fu. No, I haven't done a lot of picture editing. The color wash I was trying to describe was photographing pale/powder blue (or purple) flowers and seeing little to no color in the jpeg image. Other colors seem ok.

I try to shoot most of my cameras in jpeg with the minimum contrast and saturation settings. I think it adds a bit of dynamic range headroom. Then I edit in Snapseed on my iPhone.

Jon_T wrote:

PENZZZ wrote:

Don't get a G7X II for macro. They are not very useful for that. In every other way they absolutely trounce the old G series, but they can't do macro.

I've been gathering that about the G7X II, though some say if you fiddle with it you can get good results. ,...

About the only thing that can be done to improve OOC JPG corner/ edge sharpness is to stop the lens down to smaller aperture; but if stopped down too far the overall image quality sharpness will be reduced from diffraction. Depending upon RAW app used, may be able to get better results PP RAW images.

Other issue is the G7 X / G7 X II, like other 1"-Type sensor compacts, in keeping lens/ camera size small the lens image circle does not cover the corners of the sensor ...

Unedited G7 X II RAW image downloaded from Imaging Resource G7 X II Review

... hence corner sharpness softness due to in-camera JPG PP/ lens corrections. For more info and images on this see my post HERE as to similar issue with the FZ1000.

You need to take the time and read several full reviews on the G7 X II; e.g., DPR HERE, and Imaging Resource HERE.

The Imaging Resource's "Canon G7X Mark II Optics" section does a detail review of the
G7 X II's lens performance, e.g.:

The majority of the 1"-Type sensor compacts closest focus distance around 1.97" (see HERE) at the WA setting. The thing to note is the 1.97" is the distance between the object and the sensor surface -- hence the front of lens is going to be quite close to the object.

You can improve the close focus distance with a diopter filter. I handhold a +5 B+W in front of my RX100. They're $25.

Nothing is simple anymore....

At least now days with various online sites like DPR, Imagining Resource, etc. providing full reviews with full size sample images, one CAN find/ learn enough info on a camera. And for items that one does not fully understand can post questions in this and/ or other forums to get help.

Cheers,
Jon

Thanks Jon, I'm not trying to shortcut anything with my questions here.  Been pouring over all the camera reviews I can digest. A lot changes between cameras for me, so I have a lot to take in, and a lot to relearn about photography between purchases  I'm sure I don't got the most out of my gear.

So I'll continue to research, and eventually drop into my local camera shop to handle and test a few models

tkbslc wrote:

PENZZZ wrote:

Quality Macro capability required - natural insects and trout flies. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Don't get a G7X II for macro. They are not very useful for that. In every other way they absolutely trounce the old G series, but they can't do macro.

I know this is the Canon section, but you may also consider the FujiFilm X30.

I second the X30.  Fun to use, 2/3" sensor, nice EVF, super macro mode, fast lens and durable build.  Oh and those Fuji colors

Jon_T wrote:

Kung Fu wrote:

Jon_T wrote:

PENZZZ wrote:

Don't get a G7X II for macro. They are not very useful for that. In every other way they absolutely trounce the old G series, but they can't do macro.

I've been gathering that about the G7X II, though some say if you fiddle with it you can get good results. ,...

About the only thing that can be done to improve OOC JPG corner/ edge sharpness is to stop the lens down to smaller aperture; but if stopped down too far the overall image quality sharpness will be reduced from diffraction. Depending upon RAW app used, may be able to get better results PP RAW images.

Other issue is the G7 X / G7 X II, like other 1"-Type sensor compacts, in keeping lens/ camera size small the lens image circle does not cover the corners of the sensor ...

Unedited G7 X II RAW image downloaded from Imaging Resource G7 X II Review

... hence corner sharpness softness due to in-camera JPG PP/ lens corrections. For more info and images on this see my post HERE as to similar issue with the FZ1000.

You need to take the time and read several full reviews on the G7 X II; e.g., DPR HERE, and Imaging Resource HERE.

The Imaging Resource's "Canon G7X Mark II Optics" section does a detail review of the
G7 X II's lens performance, e.g.:

The majority of the 1"-Type sensor compacts closest focus distance around 1.97" (see HERE) at the WA setting. The thing to note is the 1.97" is the distance between the object and the sensor surface -- hence the front of lens is going to be quite close to the object.

You can improve the close focus distance with a diopter filter. I handhold a +5 B+W in front of my RX100. They're $25.

Improve 'close focus" distance by how much? A couple inches? IMHO still too short for other than static subjects.

I don't understand your response. A "couple inches" is a lot in close up photography.

Plus the OP noted "Quality Macro capability required"; diopter filter not going to help with a lens soft corners, may make worst.

I never claimed it was equal to a macro lens. You pointed out close focus as a deficiency of 1" sensor cameras, and I'm offering a workaround to improve it. Nothing more. And I don't see any problem with the corners.

Closest focus with no filter.

With +5 close-up filter.

No filter.

With +5 close-up filter.