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Time for Moisture Dissipation BIG WHITES

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tvstaff
tvstaff Veteran Member • Posts: 3,264
Time for Moisture Dissipation BIG WHITES

Hi,

Seems no matter what I do, when I go from inside to outside in the tropics my f/2.8 300mm and f/2.8 400mm are fogging up.

I'm also concerned about my 1DX and 1DXMKII

The ONLY solution I can see is leaving them outside but in the tropics, I'm worried about moisture again...

Here is my question,

What period of time is safe to "assume" that all moisture is off all internal/external lenses and mirrors in the bodies... With the cameras sitting in the sun to dissipate moisture?

I'm sure even slight remanents and effect focus and electronic contacts...  Thank you.

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MitchAlsup Veteran Member • Posts: 5,518
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tvstaff wrote:

Hi,

Seems no matter what I do, when I go from inside to outside in the tropics my f/2.8 300mm and f/2.8 400mm are fogging up.

Fogging is caused by a difference in temperature.

I'm also concerned about my 1DX and 1DXMKII

Don't be--they are sealed.

The ONLY solution I can see is leaving them outside but in the tropics, I'm worried about moisture again...

Here is my question,

What period of time is safe to "assume" that all moisture is off all internal/external lenses and mirrors in the bodies... With the cameras sitting in the sun to dissipate moisture?

I'm sure even slight remanents and effect focus and electronic contacts... Thank you.

If your room in the tropics were at the same temperature as the outside, then the lenses would not fog !!

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Myrgjorf Regular Member • Posts: 464
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tvstaff wrote:

Hi,

Seems no matter what I do, when I go from inside to outside in the tropics my f/2.8 300mm and f/2.8 400mm are fogging up.

I'm also concerned about my 1DX and 1DXMKII

The ONLY solution I can see is leaving them outside but in the tropics, I'm worried about moisture again...

Here is my question,

What period of time is safe to "assume" that all moisture is off all internal/external lenses and mirrors in the bodies... With the cameras sitting in the sun to dissipate moisture?

I'm sure even slight remanents and effect focus and electronic contacts... Thank you.

I learned a trick from a NG pro: Leave your gear in the bathroom in the tropics as the bathroom climate is more like the outside climate. It may not work everywhere, but I have used the trick a couple.

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John_Hoffman
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Since you are in an air conditioned (low humidity) environment indoors put your gear in a backpack and zip it up. The humidity in the outside air can't touch your gear. Wait about 15 minutes for gear to warm up.

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BirdShooter7 Veteran Member • Posts: 9,134
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It is definitely an issue, in my experience even for "sealed" bodies and lenses.  I have had fogging happen just from moving between shaded areas and direct sunlit areas.  The time needed to get rid of the fogging totally depends on the particular conditions you are in.  On a couple of occasions I had to open my camera and body and blow dry air from my vehicle's climate control system to get things to clear up.  Other times I have had to set the out in the sun for a while.  It can definitely cause lots of frustration but it pretty much goes with the territory.

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Michael Fryd
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tvstaff wrote:

Hi,

Seems no matter what I do, when I go from inside to outside in the tropics my f/2.8 300mm and f/2.8 400mm are fogging up.

I'm also concerned about my 1DX and 1DXMKII

The ONLY solution I can see is leaving them outside but in the tropics, I'm worried about moisture again...

There are lots of solutions.

An inexpensive one is to put each piece of gear in a sealed ziplock bag before bringing it outside.  Once outside, allow the gear to warm up before opening the bag.   You will find that your gear no longer fogs up.

The reason your gear fogs up when you go outside, is that the gear is colder than the outside air dew point.

Do not put the gear back into the bags when you go inside.  You only need the bags when going from a colder environment to a moist warm environment.  You want to make sure the bags contain air from the colder environment.

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CameraCarl Veteran Member • Posts: 9,204
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When I'm in humid Florida conditions, I leave my cameras in the bag outside on the balcony overnight.  Then there is no humidity problem when I go out in the early morning hours to photograph. If you can't do this, then there are some great suggestions above. The key thing is to have the moisture condense on something other than your camera and lens, but remember that there are internal elements to the lenses which can fog unless you have them in a perfectly airtight container.  The only other solution is to start out an hour early to give your gear a chance to acclimate.

csista Regular Member • Posts: 426
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I often have to deal with this myself and recently made a post with concerns about fog getting inside a lens. (Which, it turns out, does happen and doesn't mean there's an issue with the lens.) I've found that if I can give my equipment 20-30 minutes exposed to the heat and humidity before use once I leave the air conditioning then there usually isn't an issue. Longer if I acclimate the equipment in a closed backpack. Much longer if it's in a closed pelican case.

One tip someone mentioned in my thread that sounded good is bringing a heating blanket and keeping that over the case while it's in the air conditioning. This way it never gets cold. Would keep the blanket on low heat, of course.

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mickdeblood Regular Member • Posts: 109
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i live in the tropics also, i just use a dehumidifier cabinet in a non air conditioned room; no fogging when i go outside at all

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hotdog321
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I generally leave my gear in the trunk of my car. This way it remains at ambient temperature and roughly the same humidity.

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Michael Fryd
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hotdog321 wrote:

I generally leave my gear in the trunk of my car. This way it remains at ambient temperature and roughly the same humidity.

If you live in a humid environment, there can be an advantage to storing the camera in air conditioned space with lower humidity.  This can help reduce the chance of corrosion, mold, fungus, etc.

The trick is to be careful to avoid condensation by not exposing a cold camera to warm, moist, air.

If you do store your camera in your car, you may want to check your insurance policy.  Some specifically exclude theft from an unattended car.

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hotdog321 Forum Pro • Posts: 21,141
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Michael Fryd wrote:

hotdog321 wrote:

I generally leave my gear in the trunk of my car. This way it remains at ambient temperature and roughly the same humidity.

If you live in a humid environment, there can be an advantage to storing the camera in air conditioned space with lower humidity. This can help reduce the chance of corrosion, mold, fungus, etc.

The trick is to be careful to avoid condensation by not exposing a cold camera to warm, moist, air.

If you do store your camera in your car, you may want to check your insurance policy. Some specifically exclude theft from an unattended car.

I've been a photojournalist in Houston, Austin and San Antonio for over 35 years. The car trunk approach works well in our hot, humid environment. But for long term storage, I would recommend keeping gear inside with the A/C.

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CameraCarl wrote:

When I'm in humid Florida conditions, I leave my cameras in the bag outside on the balcony overnight. Then there is no humidity problem when I go out in the early morning hours to photograph. If you can't do this, then there are some great suggestions above. The key thing is to have the moisture condense on something other than your camera and lens, but remember that there are internal elements to the lenses which can fog unless you have them in a perfectly airtight container. The only other solution is to start out an hour early to give your gear a chance to acclimate.

in other words, no one knows what he/she is talking about!!! i see a lot of attempt to pass unscientific and personal experiences as a matter of fact answer! we all know that moisture building in the photographic gear, especially in the expensive lenses, can be a nightmare (in tropical areas in particular) and there is very little we can do about it. i think OP should go online and do a thorough research on this topic or seek professional opinion to remedy his issue, not to take everyone's personal little experience that doesn't explain the physics of moisture issue and how to prevent or deal with it in different circumstances, near enough. YMMD.

Dave
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I will be taking plastic bags for acclimation with me when I visit the Amazon River, just as I did when I visited the Arctic and Antarctic.  I'll just use them for going out rather than coming in.

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MitchAlsup wrote:

tvstaff wrote:

Hi,

Seems no matter what I do, when I go from inside to outside in the tropics my f/2.8 300mm and f/2.8 400mm are fogging up.

Fogging is caused by a difference in temperature.

I'm also concerned about my 1DX and 1DXMKII

Don't be--they are sealed.

Actually do be concerned.  They may be sealed, to a degree, but they are not airtight and the condensation that forms inside is due to the passage of humid air into the body / lens.  Although the EOS-1D Series have internal components and electrical connections that are to a degree protected against some moisture, they could eventually fail due to corrosion if subjected to this repeatedly.

The ONLY solution I can see is leaving them outside but in the tropics, I'm worried about moisture again...

Here is my question,

What period of time is safe to "assume" that all moisture is off all internal/external lenses and mirrors in the bodies... With the cameras sitting in the sun to dissipate moisture?

I'm sure even slight remanents and effect focus and electronic contacts... Thank you.

If your room in the tropics were at the same temperature as the outside, then the lenses would not fog !!

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Mitch

Andy Blanchard Senior Member • Posts: 1,349
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John_Hoffman wrote:

Since you are in an air conditioned (low humidity) environment indoors put your gear in a backpack and zip it up. The humidity in the outside air can't touch your gear. Wait about 15 minutes for gear to warm up.

Pretty much this when going between any two environments with a big humidity change in either direction.  If it's particuarly extreme - e.g. the tropics as mentioned by the OP - then as an extra step you might want to partially unzip the bag (just 15cm / 6" or so) mid-way though the process to allow a little air flow to speed up the acclimatization before opening it the rest of the way.

If you jump the gun, don't sweat it - just wipe of the worst of the moisture with a lens cloth or something suitably absorbant then wait for the rest to evaporate off on it's own.  If you're seeing any condensation on a lenses' front element then don't remove a lens from a body as that will potentially cause condensation to form inside the mirror box, which is somewhat harder to dry off!

Andy

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tvstaff wrote:

Hi,

Seems no matter what I do, when I go from inside to outside in the tropics my f/2.8 300mm and f/2.8 400mm are fogging up.

I'm also concerned about my 1DX and 1DXMKII

The ONLY solution I can see is leaving them outside but in the tropics, I'm worried about moisture again...

Here is my question,

What period of time is safe to "assume" that all moisture is off all internal/external lenses and mirrors in the bodies... With the cameras sitting in the sun to dissipate moisture?

I'm sure even slight remanents and effect focus and electronic contacts... Thank you.

TVS

when I step out of my car ( that is air conditioned) down to the swamp and I take the hood down of my 300f2.8 it fogs like h..l instantly

I have to point it into the sun for 15 min to warm up,

cleaning the front lens doesn't help, is so much glass that has thermal inertia, that will fog again in no time

You have to wait to heat up

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