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Now that the SL2 is official, who's leaving the M?

Started Jun 29, 2017 | Polls
HaroldC3
HaroldC3 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,067
Now that the SL2 is official, who's leaving the M?

Yes, I am jealous of some features of the SL2.  If I didn't have an M6 I'd probably buy an SL2.  But since I do have an M6 I don't think I can bring myself to sell it.  Who here plans to sell there M-series camera and go with an SL2?

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Me! Goodbye Canon mirrorless!
14.5% 10  votes
Nah, the SL2 isn't for me.
63.8% 44  votes
Maybe, I'll wait for reviews.
10.1% 7  votes
I plan to own both an M and SL2.
11.6% 8  votes
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Ali Senior Member • Posts: 1,969
It's the size

The SL2 looks great, but size is the high order bit, so staying with the M6

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Soinar
Soinar Forum Member • Posts: 54
Re: Now that the SL2 is official, who's leaving the M?
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I'm not leaving the M.

SL2 is still to big for me and you can only use (bigger) EF lenses and no option for some small ones. M5/M6 have the option for some small lenses like the 22mm, 11-22mm etc. Also an M5/M6 is no bigger then the SL2 when using the adapter to use EF lenses.

Also a shame it only got a 9 point AF unit from years ago when using OVF another reason for me why not to buy the SL2. When only using Liveview an M6 would be a smaller option and have the same AF etc. Also very slow burst of only 3.5fps when using CAF where M5/M6 do 7 fps in burst.

The price is more interesting of the SL2 and also the articulating screen is more useful. But other than that I see no advantages over an M5 or M6.

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JRET
JRET Contributing Member • Posts: 840
Re: Now that the SL2 is official, who's leaving the M?
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I would like to hold it & try it out with a few lenses, i.e. 40mm pancake, 35 f/2 IS, 70-200.  I bought the original SL1 and then bought the original M shortly after.  Liked the M's size so much that I gave the SL1 to my son.  Moving to the SL2 is tempting but think I will stay with my M(1) and M2 w/22, 11-22, 18-55, 55-200 for the time being.  For travel/casual shooting it's hard to beat.  My main body is a 6D w/several L lenses.  A 7Dii or 80D crop to replace an aging 50D is probably a better choice for the next body, although there is the M5/M6 ... and then there's the new 6D.  Decisions, decisions.

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MikeJ9116 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,955
Re: Now that the SL2 is official, who's leaving the M?

I will be trading in my M gear for the SL2 or possibly the T7i or 77D once I get to handle all three cameras.  It is very likely the SL2 is the one I will end up buying.

justmeMN Forum Pro • Posts: 10,705
For the new buyer...

For the new buyer, the price difference between the SL2 and M5 is a strong reason to go with the former.

Abu Mahendra Veteran Member • Posts: 5,312
Re: Now that the SL2 is official, who's leaving the M?

I voted, tentatively, for the fourth option of owning both the SL2 and the M. I say tentatively because the EF-S mount really doesn't have any compelling glass. Where is the EF-S 24-70mm (FF eq.) constant aperture IS lens? The S15-85IS costs only $100 less than a EF24-70/4LIS, and probably more than a white box 24-105L. The only reason i would go for a SL2 is to attach a S55-250STM permanently to it.

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Peter63 Senior Member • Posts: 1,529
Re: Now that the SL2 is official, who's leaving the M?
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SL2 could have been a great backup to my M5 when I want to shoot action but the 9 point AF and 6 shot raw buffer lessen the excitement.

Video looks better than the M5, HD 60 fps with a 60 Mbps bit rate.

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ck_WTB Regular Member • Posts: 367
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That's it, the SL2 and 6D2 are the bodies I have been waiting for to upgrade my M and 6D bodies, although, the SL2's lack of AF micro-adjustment could result in mis-focus and reduced image quality at shallower depth-of-field. Personally, I was hoping for an EF mount crop and full frame mirrorless DSLR style bodies for the second generation of Canon's most compact EF bodies. Canon rarely does bold, so I was expecting something along the lines of what they delivered. Guessing another generation and they will consider the on-sensor tech and consumer market to have sufficiently matured to make the transition.

Anyway, buying the SL2 at $550 is a no brainer for me with so many excellent EF-S snd EF lenses available right now, all of which will deliver amazing image quality and shooting experience in a compact and light weight kit that is better than M + adapter in my experience. I will use the SL2 for the medium to long end with the following full frame lenses:

- 28/2.8 IS

- 40/2.8 STM

- 50/1.8 STM

- plus more

And I might be tempted to pickup a few of the excellent EF-S lenses along the way, such as the following:

- 24/2.8 STM

- 35/2.8 IS STM

- 55-250 IS STM

I will keep my M and 22/2 for light weight social and 11-22 for light weight travel/backpacking. The original M with 22/2 was a dream come true with its solid build, small size, touch screen operation and excellent imagine quality.

I will continue to watch the M line, but an EF compatible mount is likely to be my best longterm solution, hopefully with a mirrorless EF mount option released soon. If not, then I might transition to the nicely maturing Sony full frame mirrorless system for the next upgrade in 2-4 years.

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MikeJ9116 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,955
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Abu Mahendra wrote:

I voted, tentatively, for the fourth option of owning both the SL2 and the M. I say tentatively because the EF-S mount really doesn't have any compelling glass. Where is the EF-S 24-70mm (FF eq.) constant aperture IS lens? The S15-85IS costs only $100 less than a EF24-70/4LIS, and probably more than a white box 24-105L. The only reason i would go for a SL2 is to attach a S55-250STM permanently to it.

There is a close equivalent.  It is the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 lens.  I have one and it is a very good lens and has served me well for many years.

Jozef M Senior Member • Posts: 2,197
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I take the good EVF of the M5 any time over the little tunnle vision poor SL2 OVF. And the M5 has a better sensor too.
But I think the M5 is overpriced this day, for what it is.

Jozef;

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RA40 Contributing Member • Posts: 706
Re: Now that the SL2 is official, who's leaving the M?

Has some appeal as a separate system though for my uses I want small which the M offers.  Carrying the 5D and M is pretty easy as the basic body is similar to the past G series I used to have. Going up to a smaller SLR platform I'd rather have a FF like 6D or 7D feature sets.

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nnowak Veteran Member • Posts: 9,074
Re: Now that the SL2 is official, who's leaving the M?

ck_WTB wrote:

That's it, the SL2 and 6D2 are the bodies I have been waiting for to upgrade my M and 6D bodies, although, the SL2's lack of AF micro-adjustment could result in mis-focus and reduced image quality at shallower depth-of-field. Personally, I was hoping for an EF mount crop and full frame mirrorless DSLR style bodies for the second generation of Canon's most compact EF bodies. Canon rarely does bold, so I was expecting something along the lines of what they delivered. Guessing another generation and they will consider the on-sensor tech and consumer market to have sufficiently matured to make the transition.

Anyway, buying the SL2 at $550 is a no brainer for me with so many excellent EF-S snd EF lenses available right now, all of which will deliver amazing image quality and shooting experience in a compact and light weight kit that is better than M + adapter in my experience. I will use the SL2 for the medium to long end with the following full frame lenses:

- 28/2.8 IS

- 40/2.8 STM

- 50/1.8 STM

- plus more

And I might be tempted to pickup a few of the excellent EF-S lenses along the way, such as the following:

- 24/2.8 STM

- 35/2.8 IS STM

- 55-250 IS STM

I will keep my M and 22/2 for light weight social and 11-22 for light weight travel/backpacking.

The EF-S 10-18mm is basically the same weight as the 11-22mm.

The original M with 22/2 was a dream come true with its solid build, small size, touch screen operation and excellent imagine quality.

I will continue to watch the M line, but an EF compatible mount is likely to be my best longterm solution, hopefully with a mirrorless EF mount option released soon. If not, then I might transition to the nicely maturing Sony full frame mirrorless system for the next upgrade in 2-4 years.

nnowak Veteran Member • Posts: 9,074
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Jozef M wrote:

I take the good EVF of the M5 any time over the little tunnle vision poor SL2 OVF. And the M5 has a better sensor too.

The M5 and SL2 are using the same sensor

But I think the M5 is overpriced this day, for what it is.

Jozef;

MikeJ9116 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,955
Re: Now that the SL2 is official, who's leaving the M?

nnowak wrote:

ck_WTB wrote:

That's it, the SL2 and 6D2 are the bodies I have been waiting for to upgrade my M and 6D bodies, although, the SL2's lack of AF micro-adjustment could result in mis-focus and reduced image quality at shallower depth-of-field. Personally, I was hoping for an EF mount crop and full frame mirrorless DSLR style bodies for the second generation of Canon's most compact EF bodies. Canon rarely does bold, so I was expecting something along the lines of what they delivered. Guessing another generation and they will consider the on-sensor tech and consumer market to have sufficiently matured to make the transition.

Anyway, buying the SL2 at $550 is a no brainer for me with so many excellent EF-S snd EF lenses available right now, all of which will deliver amazing image quality and shooting experience in a compact and light weight kit that is better than M + adapter in my experience. I will use the SL2 for the medium to long end with the following full frame lenses:

- 28/2.8 IS

- 40/2.8 STM

- 50/1.8 STM

- plus more

And I might be tempted to pickup a few of the excellent EF-S lenses along the way, such as the following:

- 24/2.8 STM

- 35/2.8 IS STM

- 55-250 IS STM

I will keep my M and 22/2 for light weight social and 11-22 for light weight travel/backpacking.

The EF-S 10-18mm is basically the same weight as the 11-22mm.

... and the EF-S 10-18mm costs $120 less than the EF-M 11-22mm at B&H.

The original M with 22/2 was a dream come true with its solid build, small size, touch screen operation and excellent imagine quality.

I will continue to watch the M line, but an EF compatible mount is likely to be my best longterm solution, hopefully with a mirrorless EF mount option released soon. If not, then I might transition to the nicely maturing Sony full frame mirrorless system for the next upgrade in 2-4 years.

2ndact scene1 Contributing Member • Posts: 802
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So the SL2 offers the lowest cost access to the new Canon sensor. Canon is now offering four DSLR's and two MILCs with the same sensor (unless I missed one). So let's not complain about the choices available! It does, however, make choosing between them difficult.

I guess Canon is trying to maximize it's return on the investment to develop the sensor and DPAF  live view focusing, which makes sense.  The analagy would be GM and it's multiple divisions using the same engines, transmissions and "platform".

So that makes the SL2 the Chevy small car.  Yes it has the limitations of the SL1, including the tunnel vision OVF, low tech OVF focusing and awkward EC button. However, I learned digital photography on the SL1 and I guess I have adjusted (I did buy a 7D to get a bigger OVF and better controls but find I go back to the SL1 for size, weight, better live view and touchscreen controls).

I need good flash performance for event photography and so that knocks out the M5/6 from what I read here.  That leaves the four DSLRs.

So for me, it comes down to a decision of go small/ low cost/ limited features but same IQ (SL2) or go big, more cost, better UI, faster performance (80D).

TheCanon refurb site has the 80D with or without the 18-55 kit lens at $799 last I looked, so cost spread  is actually not that big. So it comes down to size and features. So let's see what the reviewers say about the SL2.

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(unknown member) Senior Member • Posts: 2,153
Re: Now that the SL2 is official, who's leaving the M?

If you're thinking of shooting primes, the SL2 is a much better gig; 79g less as no adapter. The M5 and SL2 are neck and neck, but, adding the adapter suddenly makes the M5 more heavy, then an SL2, without it.

http://j.mp/2u3em6R

The comparison, does not take into account the adapter itself weighs 152g with the tripod collar adapter, or 105g without.

Thus, the M5 (427) + EF 50mm f/1.8 STM (160g) + EF to EF-M Adapter without tripod collar (105g) weights 692g

SL2 (453g) + EF 50mm f/1.8 STM (160G) weighs 613g

Close, but the SL2 wins when adapting.

(unknown member) Senior Member • Posts: 2,153
Re: Now that the SL2 is official, who's leaving the M?

And 79g lighter. M5 + adapter = 79g heavier then SL2 and no adapter...

The M5 has it's place, but the SL2 certainly has it's too.

Truth told, if I hadn't gotten hooked on the Rokinon 50mm f/1.2 recently, which is not available in a EF or EF-S mounts, and, had my wife not figured out the EF-M 18-150 is a fun lens on the M5 (which the EF-S 18-135 IS USM/STM is much bigger/heavier), yeah, I might be thinking about it.

Tonkotsu Ramen
Tonkotsu Ramen Senior Member • Posts: 2,380
already gone.. but will be back
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I've already "left", after having sold my M6. I ended up getting a T7i, it's my 2nd body because the first one had some serious front focusing issue. The T7i is more capable and versatile to me, and it was cheaper. I prefer the side swiveling screen over what the M5/6 have. I was almost thinking of trading again, for the SL2, but I'm so content with the T7i (+ sigma 17-50, 55-250 stm, 50mm 1.8) that I'm not sure trading laterally would change anything for my situation.

but now I'm feeling a little sellers remorse.. as my 22mm sits there, with nothing competing for it's spot in EF-S, eagerly awaiting another body.

I'm still uncertain about the wide angle situation as well, 11-22 vs 10-18.. undecided on that, so will just hold some cash on the side to get it later.

Now, I will wait for M6 price drops before coming back...

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