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Alter Pen F jpegs similar to Fujifilm?

Started Jun 6, 2017 | Discussions
myess Forum Member • Posts: 95
Alter Pen F jpegs similar to Fujifilm?

To the group

Being a long time Olympus user and looking to get a new camera (my OMD E5 is broken after a fall) the PEN F is very enticing b/c of the jpg presets and ability to change them.  Also, like a lot of others I have read, the fujifilm line up is enticing but having a hard time seeing a huge difference between the two.

Anyways, has anyone done any work trying to altering the PEN F jpgs to look similar to Fujifilm?  Is this possible with the PEN F?  I like the presets with Fuji and wondering if this is possible, in camera, to do the same/similar.  If so, can you share the setups?

Thanks!!!!

Matt

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Re: Alter Pen F jpegs similar to Fujifilm?

Hello?

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d3xmeister Veteran Member • Posts: 3,395
Re: Alter Pen F jpegs similar to Fujifilm?

I don't like Fujifilm jpegs, and don't like Olympus either (anymore) I think jpegs engine from all camera manufacturers is worse looking thatn what we had years ago.

I am talking about the way image looks. Yes, they had good progress in noise reduction and maybe dynamic range, so technically today jpeg engines seem superior, but they just don't look at all appealing to me. They look ,,dry,, for the lack of a better term. And that includes Fuji. I wish I had the rendering of my old Olympus E-520 in my newest cameras.

The point is, we have raw software these days that can produce a photo so much better than the camera jpegs, with no effort at all.

To your question, there is a lot to tweak with Olympus jpegs, I couldn't tell you what to move where, but you can experiment and see what is getting you closer to what you want.

HaoAndHui Contributing Member • Posts: 539
Re: Alter Pen F jpegs similar to Fujifilm?

"I think jpegs engine from all camera manufacturers is worse looking thatn what we had years ago"

I have the same feeling and always wondered why. Even comparing the CMOS (ie. I know CCD might contribute to the different look) from a few years ago the JPEGs are quite different.

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Re: Alter Pen F jpegs similar to Fujifilm?
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HaoAndHui wrote:

"I think jpegs engine from all camera manufacturers is worse looking thatn what we had years ago"

I have the same feeling and always wondered why. Even comparing the CMOS (ie. I know CCD might contribute to the different look) from a few years ago the JPEGs are quite different.

My guess is the race to sqeeze images with less noise and more DR.

If you look at old jpegs engines, you could see colored noise even at base iso if you look carefully. If you look at what we get from raw, noisewise, compared to older cameras, there is a gain, but if you look at what we get from jpeg, noisewise, the leap is huge.

What I also notice with these newer jpeg engines, is that it's really hard to blow highlights.

It's understandable, as these 2 were the top complains from users, but I think that's what's causing the look of jpeg today. In 1 word, they are overprocessed.

yanisha Senior Member • Posts: 2,630
Excellent user review of PEN-F by Fuji user
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This is an excellent user review of the PEN-F written by a Fuji user:

https://mariusmasalar.me/olympus-pen-f-25e291eda979

He talks about the flexibility in modifying PEN-F jpegs compared to Fuji.

Ben Herrmann
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With Pen-F jpg's, I assume you're meaning to say...
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...Olympus JPG's in general.  And I hear ya as I find the Oly JPG's to be superb.

However, there's another big boy in town that does JPG's as well, if not better - and that is with Fuji.

Look Bro, I shoot extensively with both m43 units and a variety of Fuji models.  I can say from experience that with regards to skin tones, you'll fall in love With Fuji jpg's.  In fact, many Fuji users have exclaimed that with the Fuji jpg's being so rich and colorful, they don't feel the need to shoot in RAW mode.  I tend to agree, although I'm a die-hard RAW shooter anyway and won't stop on that account.  So what I do is to shoot both in RAW and JPG fine, so I have both copies of the images on file.

But the reality here is any camera system (from whatever brand) is capable of giving you superb imagery - provided you know what you're doing with regards to photographic principles and your knowledge of the camera used.

IMO (and I can only give you advice based on my usage of these cameras), I find the cameras - in the order listed below - to be superb in the JPG department (in particular with skin tones).  They are:

1.  Fujifilm cameras (both X-Trans and their Bayer versions).

2.  Olympus models

3.  Canon models.

Since you know how Olympus JPG's are rendered, allow me the opportunity here of providing you with some Fuji jpg's so as to give you some hint as to the color tonality of that format.  Do keep in mind that there are lots of dual Olympus and Fuji users and that's due to the color tonalities being very similar.  In other-words, if you love the way Olympus renders colors, then you'll love how Fuji does them.

Shot with the Fuji X-E1 w/XF 18-55 f2.8-4 zoom lens, AWB, ISO 800, Aperture Priority Mode.  Flash used was the Fuji EF-42 in bounce mode with Gary Fong's Lightsphere unit attached.

Taken with the Fuji X-M1 and the kit XC 16-50 f3.5-5.6 IS, AWB, ISO 200, Aperture Priority Mode.

Taken with the newer Fuji X-A3 camera (24 MP's featuring a Bayer sensor) and the kit XC 16-50 f3.5-5.6 IS lens.  Flash used was a manual Yongnuo model in bounce mode and the Gary Fong Lightsphere unit attached.  shot in AWB, ISO 800, Manual Mode.

Taken with the Fuji X-T1 with XF 18-55 f2.8-4 IS lens.  Shot in AWB, ISO 200, Aperture Priority Mode.,

Taken with the Fuji X-E2 with the kit XC 16-50 f3.5-5.6 IS lens.  AWB, ISO 200, Aperture Priority Mode.

Taken with the Fuji X-A1 (featuring a Bayer sensor) and the kit XC 16-50 f3.5-5.6 IS lens.  ISO 400, AWB, Aperture Priority Mode.

Taken with the wonderful enthusiast model Fuji X-30 (12 MP's and a 2/3" sensor).  Shot at ISO 100, AWB, Aperture Priority Mode.

Taken with the enthusiast Fuji X-S1 (12 MP's and an equivalent lens of 24-600 MM on a 2/3" sensor).  ISO 400, AWB, Aperture Priority Mode.

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Oooops...I misread the OP

So my response was not really applicable to what the OP asked.  Sorry...

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PeterFXCassidy Contributing Member • Posts: 792
Re: With Pen-F jpg's, I assume you're meaning to say...

Gosh, it is just me or is that little XC 16-50 rocking my face off?

Ben Herrmann wrote:

...Olympus JPG's in general. And I hear ya as I find the Oly JPG's to be superb.

However, there's another big boy in town that does JPG's as well, if not better - and that is with Fuji.

Look Bro, I shoot extensively with both m43 units and a variety of Fuji models. I can say from experience that with regards to skin tones, you'll fall in love With Fuji jpg's. In fact, many Fuji users have exclaimed that with the Fuji jpg's being so rich and colorful, they don't feel the need to shoot in RAW mode. I tend to agree, although I'm a die-hard RAW shooter anyway and won't stop on that account. So what I do is to shoot both in RAW and JPG fine, so I have both copies of the images on file.

But the reality here is any camera system (from whatever brand) is capable of giving you superb imagery - provided you know what you're doing with regards to photographic principles and your knowledge of the camera used.

IMO (and I can only give you advice based on my usage of these cameras), I find the cameras - in the order listed below - to be superb in the JPG department (in particular with skin tones). They are:

1. Fujifilm cameras (both X-Trans and their Bayer versions).

2. Olympus models

3. Canon models.

Since you know how Olympus JPG's are rendered, allow me the opportunity here of providing you with some Fuji jpg's so as to give you some hint as to the color tonality of that format. Do keep in mind that there are lots of dual Olympus and Fuji users and that's due to the color tonalities being very similar. In other-words, if you love the way Olympus renders colors, then you'll love how Fuji does them.

Shot with the Fuji X-E1 w/XF 18-55 f2.8-4 zoom lens, AWB, ISO 800, Aperture Priority Mode. Flash used was the Fuji EF-42 in bounce mode with Gary Fong's Lightsphere unit attached.

Taken with the Fuji X-M1 and the kit XC 16-50 f3.5-5.6 IS, AWB, ISO 200, Aperture Priority Mode.

Taken with the newer Fuji X-A3 camera (24 MP's featuring a Bayer sensor) and the kit XC 16-50 f3.5-5.6 IS lens. Flash used was a manual Yongnuo model in bounce mode and the Gary Fong Lightsphere unit attached. shot in AWB, ISO 800, Manual Mode.

Taken with the Fuji X-T1 with XF 18-55 f2.8-4 IS lens. Shot in AWB, ISO 200, Aperture Priority Mode.,

Taken with the Fuji X-E2 with the kit XC 16-50 f3.5-5.6 IS lens. AWB, ISO 200, Aperture Priority Mode.

Taken with the Fuji X-A1 (featuring a Bayer sensor) and the kit XC 16-50 f3.5-5.6 IS lens. ISO 400, AWB, Aperture Priority Mode.

Taken with the wonderful enthusiast model Fuji X-30 (12 MP's and a 2/3" sensor). Shot at ISO 100, AWB, Aperture Priority Mode.

Taken with the enthusiast Fuji X-S1 (12 MP's and an equivalent lens of 24-600 MM on a 2/3" sensor). ISO 400, AWB, Aperture Priority Mode.

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OP myess Forum Member • Posts: 95
Re: With Pen-F jpg's, I assume you're meaning to say...
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Huge thanks to all of you.  I finally decided to purchase a XT2 and PEN F to see which I like best and then return one of them.  The article really helped.

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RE: Fuji XC 16-50 Kit lens...

Well, it is one of the better kit lenses out there.  I've found it to be exceptionally sharp with excellent contrasts.  It's small and very light, so some folks may not consider it seriously.  But mannn, some of the images I've gotten with this lens just rock!!!

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