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Bring a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 70-200f/4L IS to Paris?

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Pietro Marchesi Regular Member • Posts: 266
Bring a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 70-200f/4L IS to Paris?

Is it worth it to bring a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II instead of a 70-200f/4L IS for a 9 day family vacation to Paris, Versailles and Disneyland Paris?

Obviously the 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II is larger and twice the weight of my 70-200f/4L IS. What will I gain having easy access to twice the focal length in Paris?

I use a 6D and will also bring my 24-70f/2.8L II and 16-35f/4L IS. My wife will use her small Sony RX100III and and our son his Panasonic LX7. We all enjoy taking a lot of photos.

I always bring 6D + 24-70f/2.8L II as my main lens everywhere I go, always ready to shoot never in a bag. i find 24-70f/2.8L I is perfect for most family/people shots and I almost always also bring my 16-35f/4L IS and 70-200f/4L IS in a small rucksack for when I need a wider or a longer lens.

On our latest trips to Istanbul, Rome and New York my most used lens was my 24-70f/2.8L II but the 16-35f/4L IS has been invaluable, especially useful indoors in museums and large churches.

On these trips my second most used lens was as always my beloved 70-200f/4L IS but I sometimes wished I had more reach than 200mm, especially in Istanbul and even more so from the cruise ship. Will I miss not having more reach than 200mm in Paris?

Has anyone here used a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS I or II in Paris?

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Steve Grodin Veteran Member • Posts: 3,985
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I can't imagine having any use for a 100-400 on a family vacation.

Steve

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ed rader Veteran Member • Posts: 9,068
Re: Bring a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 70-200f/4L IS to Paris?

unless it's Africa or katmai

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ali20 Regular Member • Posts: 104
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I have been to Paris a few times.  My lens of choice is the 16-35 F4 IS. I walked a few hours a day. Bringing anything else would make my camera bag heavy. In my humble opinion,  the 100-400 is not useful in Paris. That lens is good in a zoo setting.

Enjoy your trip.

J A C S
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No.

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No way ! It's complete overkill and I cant imagine what you'd use it for.

I did Barcelona with a 16-35 and 70-200 f/4 which was the perfect combination. If you really want more reach, you can always add a 1.4x

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OP Pietro Marchesi Regular Member • Posts: 266
Re: Bring a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 70-200f/4L IS to Paris?

OK, thanks everyone!

Thats what I thought too, but I can not really help to wonder, why is it that I see a lot of people using their 70-200f/2.8 on vacations, but so few using a 100-400. They are almost the same weight and size. So, it must be that 200mm is long enough most of the time, and that the 70-200f/2.8 variants are a lot more common.

I will keep using my 70-200f/4L IS for travel and I will buy the 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II when I return, and use it for wildlife and birding.

Happy summer holidays!

Pietro M
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irm Veteran Member • Posts: 3,105
Re: Bring a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 70-200f/4L IS to Paris?

No, 200mm is the longest and even then doubtful.

1st trip 10D 16-352.8, 135 f2 200 2.8

2nd trip 6D 24-70 f4 is 135 f2 200 2.8

You will benefit from a16-x more than a very long one.

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Michael Thomas Mitchell Forum Pro • Posts: 12,158
Re: Bring a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 70-200f/4L IS to Paris?

Except for something like a safari where all that telephoto focal length might be useful, I wouldn't want to lug a massive 100-400 monster all of Europe with me. And while the 6D is a reasonable-sized camera for vacation, even the 24-70 would be overkill for me. The 70-200 f4 IS L is a marvelous lens, super sharp and contrasty, and a very reasonable size and weight. Far better for travel than the f2.8 version.

After years of lugging around heavy gear, my wife and I packed a lightweight APS-C kit for our last travel, and we loved it. Very few situations demanded anything else. The two SL1 bodies weight next to nothing. And the trio of EFS lenses we carried -- 10-18, 18-55, and 55-250, all STM versions -- covered an incredible full-frame equivalent focal range of 16-400mm, cost less than a $500 total (we paid about $200 for the superwide and only $109 for the telephoto, a refurb direct from Canon), and packs lightly and easily.

Were there times when I missed my full-frame bodies? Sure. But the APS-C cameras didn't leave me unable to do anything my full-frame bodies might have. In fact, the SL1 bodies actually gave me terrific autofocus for videography (something my 6D and 5DIII bodies were never able to do), and even a touchscreen. When editing, I saw little difference between the SL1 travel images from our last trip and the 5DIII/L-glass images from our trip to Greece and Rome last fall.

Most importantly, the smaller APS-C bodies didn't attract any THIEVES. It didn't hurt that our bodies are the white style, which seem to confound everyone who sees them. Big city thieves know their cameras and lenses, they know camera bags, and they work in teams to have tourists' gear far away long before they even know it's gone. It's been some years since I've traveled with a small child, but I imagine that children only create a greater distraction and make a well-equipped tourist and even more delicious-looking target.

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(unknown member) Senior Member • Posts: 1,232
Re: Bring a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 70-200f/4L IS to Paris?

I was going to say "definitely no" but after checking my images from a recent Paris trip where I used my M5 with 55-200, I did find a few shots where I'd gone all the way to 200mm (323mm FF equiv). However, there's no way I'd want to lug my 100-400 around Paris.

Situations where I used longer focal length:

Pictures of gargoyles high up on churches. Long distance shots of Sacre Coeur taken from the top of the Eifel Tower. Shots of my kids sailing the boats on the pond at the Luxembourg Gardens.

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Re: Bring a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 70-200f/4L IS to Paris?

Pietro Marchesi wrote:

Is it worth it to bring a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II instead of a 70-200f/4L IS for a 9 day family vacation to Paris, Versailles and Disneyland Paris?

Obviously the 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II is larger and twice the weight of my 70-200f/4L IS. What will I gain having easy access to twice the focal length in Paris?

I use a 6D and will also bring my 24-70f/2.8L II and 16-35f/4L IS. My wife will use her small Sony RX100III and and our son his Panasonic LX7. We all enjoy taking a lot of photos.

I always bring 6D + 24-70f/2.8L II as my main lens everywhere I go, always ready to shoot never in a bag. i find 24-70f/2.8L I is perfect for most family/people shots and I almost always also bring my 16-35f/4L IS and 70-200f/4L IS in a small rucksack for when I need a wider or a longer lens.

On our latest trips to Istanbul, Rome and New York my most used lens was my 24-70f/2.8L II but the 16-35f/4L IS has been invaluable, especially useful indoors in museums and large churches.

On these trips my second most used lens was as always my beloved 70-200f/4L IS but I sometimes wished I had more reach than 200mm, especially in Istanbul and even more so from the cruise ship. Will I miss not having more reach than 200mm in Paris?

Has anyone here used a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS I or II in Paris?

I can't imagine a 100-400 would be worth lugging around on a travel vacation trip to Paris France.  On a wildlife tour to Africa - Costa Rica sure but to Paris and Disney ???

I like to travel light on travel vacations to cities and Disney

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ali20 Regular Member • Posts: 104
Re: Bring a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 70-200f/4L IS to Paris?

I thought of one more reason against taking a 100-400. If you use the Paris Metro, a 100-400 would make it obvious that you are a tourist. This would attract the attention of thieves.

In Paris, it would be best to walk around with one camera body and lens, along with a small camera bag.

BlueRay2 Forum Pro • Posts: 14,816
Re: Bring a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 70-200f/4L IS to Paris?

Pietro Marchesi wrote:

Is it worth it to bring a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II instead of a 70-200f/4L IS for a 9 day family vacation to Paris, Versailles and Disneyland Paris?

Obviously the 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II is larger and twice the weight of my 70-200f/4L IS. What will I gain having easy access to twice the focal length in Paris?

I use a 6D and will also bring my 24-70f/2.8L II and 16-35f/4L IS. My wife will use her small Sony RX100III and and our son his Panasonic LX7. We all enjoy taking a lot of photos.

I always bring 6D + 24-70f/2.8L II as my main lens everywhere I go, always ready to shoot never in a bag. i find 24-70f/2.8L I is perfect for most family/people shots and I almost always also bring my 16-35f/4L IS and 70-200f/4L IS in a small rucksack for when I need a wider or a longer lens.

On our latest trips to Istanbul, Rome and New York my most used lens was my 24-70f/2.8L II but the 16-35f/4L IS has been invaluable, especially useful indoors in museums and large churches.

On these trips my second most used lens was as always my beloved 70-200f/4L IS but I sometimes wished I had more reach than 200mm, especially in Istanbul and even more so from the cruise ship. Will I miss not having more reach than 200mm in Paris?

Has anyone here used a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS I or II in Paris?

i traveled and worked  overseas for 5 years and had my 17-40 f4.0/70-200 f/40 IS on a aps-c camera! this setup worked beautifully for me! for city visit, your 24-70 f2.8 II would be used the most, in my experience!

since you are using a 6D FF camera you may spend most of your time in the city, i think your 24-70 will be enough but i'd take my 70-200 as well. but 100-400 L will be too much in weight and reach (more than enough), so i'd leave that behind. YMMD.

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ali20 wrote:

I thought of one more reason against taking a 100-400. If you use the Paris Metro, a 100-400 would make it obvious that you are a tourist. This would attract the attention of thieves.

In Paris, it would be best to walk around with one camera body and lens, along with a small camera bag.

Lest folks reading this get the impression tourists are regularly preyed upon by thieves on the street and Metro in Paris: they are not.

J A C S
J A C S Forum Pro • Posts: 20,544
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dboreham wrote:

ali20 wrote:

I thought of one more reason against taking a 100-400. If you use the Paris Metro, a 100-400 would make it obvious that you are a tourist. This would attract the attention of thieves.

In Paris, it would be best to walk around with one camera body and lens, along with a small camera bag.

Lest folks reading this get the impression tourists are regularly preyed upon by thieves on the street and Metro in Paris: they are not.

Not much but one needs to be careful. I have been harassed twice in Paris because of my camera. Despite this, I have been there many times, and will go again, with my gear.

ali20 Regular Member • Posts: 104
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J A C S wrote:

dboreham wrote:

ali20 wrote:

I thought of one more reason against taking a 100-400. If you use the Paris Metro, a 100-400 would make it obvious that you are a tourist. This would attract the attention of thieves.

In Paris, it would be best to walk around with one camera body and lens, along with a small camera bag.

Lest folks reading this get the impression tourists are regularly preyed upon by thieves on the street and Metro in Paris: they are not.

Not much but one needs to be careful. I have been harassed twice in Paris because of my camera. Despite this, I have been there many times, and will go again, with my gear.

Paris is very safe. I have been there many times. My friend's wallet was stolen in the Paris Metro. Although his wallet was in his rear pocket. One needs to be careful. Having said this, I love to go back to Paris any time. It is a lovely city.

Michael Thomas Mitchell Forum Pro • Posts: 12,158
Re: Bring a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 70-200f/4L IS to Paris?

dboreham wrote:

Lest folks reading this get the impression tourists are regularly preyed upon by thieves on the street and Metro in Paris: they are not.

Really? After having a bag of really nice gear stolen in broad daylight in Rome last September, we came home and did some research and Paris seems to be right alongside Rome and other major European cities in which tourists are particularly targeted for theft.

I would strongly recommend that anyone touring major cities of the world to at least peruse Youtube's massive collection of videos by ordinary people showing where, how and who tourists are targeted.

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gavin
gavin Veteran Member • Posts: 8,242
Re: Bring a 100-400f/4.5-5.6L IS II or a 70-200f/4L IS to Paris?

The 70-200 is more useful in most cases so bring that one. I end up using 24-70 most of the time and left my 100-400 at the hotel.

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Michael Thomas Mitchell wrote:

dboreham wrote:

Lest folks reading this get the impression tourists are regularly preyed upon by thieves on the street and Metro in Paris: they are not.

Really? After having a bag of really nice gear stolen in broad daylight in Rome last September, we came home and did some research and Paris seems to be right alongside Rome and other major European cities in which tourists are particularly targeted for theft.

Tourists are targeted everywhere for theft because they often carry more valuables and are less clueful about securing them. However, I will say that I'd put Rome in a completely different category than Paris regarding the danger of street crime. Paris is about as dangerous as Denver IMHO.

J A C S
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dboreham wrote:

Paris is about as dangerous as Denver IMHO.

In a very different way. US tourists are often unprepared for the type of the crime abroad.

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