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Does the Olympus E-P5 and the E-M1 Mark I have the same sensor?

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timza New Member • Posts: 17
Does the Olympus E-P5 and the E-M1 Mark I have the same sensor?

Does the Olympus E-P5 and the original E-M1 Mark I have the same sensor? The data on DxOMark are within a few numbers of each other.

What do we call the original E-M1 now? Classic? Original? Mark I?

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Helen Veteran Member • Posts: 7,606
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timza wrote:

Does the Olympus E-P5 and the original E-M1 Mark I have the same sensor? The data on DxOMark are within a few numbers of each other.

What do we call the original E-M1 now? Classic? Original? Mark I?

I doubt that they have the same sensor, because the original E-M1 has PDAF arrays on its sensor and the E-P5 doesn't.  The general consensus is that the E-M1 has a Panasonic-produced sensor (even though Panasonic has never used this particular sensor in any of its own cameras) whilst the other 16MP Olympuses use a Sony sensor.  So I'd think it more likely that the E-P5's sensor is more like that of the E-M5.

OP timza New Member • Posts: 17
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Interesting. I have two P5's and just bought an M1 Mark I for the continuous autofocus. I am thinking I can keep using my P5's for my static tripod work because I am thinking the P5 static tripod images will be the same as with the M1 Mark I. Do you all agree?

rsmithgi Senior Member • Posts: 2,939
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timza wrote:

Interesting. I have two P5's and just bought an M1 Mark I for the continuous autofocus. I am thinking I can keep using my P5's for my static tripod work because I am thinking the P5 static tripod images will be the same as with the M1 Mark I. Do you all agree?

I think they will be close enough that you will not be able to tell them apart. I have an E-M1 and an E-P5 and like the fact that I can pick either camera based on how I will be using it and be sure that the image quality will be the same.

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EarthQuake Veteran Member • Posts: 3,240
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timza wrote:

Does the Olympus E-P5 and the original E-M1 Mark I have the same sensor? The data on DxOMark are within a few numbers of each other.

What do we call the original E-M1 now? Classic? Original? Mark I?

The EP-5 has the Sony 16MP sensor that is in most of the 16MP M43 cameras, while the E-M1 has a Panasonic 16MP sensor, similar to that in the GH4, but with on-sensor PDAF.

The Sony sensor has a little better noise performance (less than 1/6th of a stop) while the Panasonic has better dynamic range, by around 1/3rd stop.

In practical use there isn't a visible difference in image quality between the two. The only exception is very long (multiple seconds or longer) exposures, where the EM1 has worse noticeably worse noise performance.

G Rash Senior Member • Posts: 2,890
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rsmithgi wrote:

I think they will be close enough that you will not be able to tell them apart. I have an E-M1 and an E-P5 and like the fact that I can pick either camera based on how I will be using it and be sure that the image quality will be the same.

This is good to hear. I'd been wondering if there was any significant difference in image quality between the EP5, EM5ii (I have both) and EM1 (which I don't have).  I've done the image comparison on DP Review of the EP5 and EM5ii test images and could not tell any significant difference.  Actually, the output of the Pen F did not appear significantly better either, but it was downsized to compare at the 16 mp output.

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OP timza New Member • Posts: 17
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Thank you. Interesting.

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G Rash wrote:

rsmithgi wrote:

I think they will be close enough that you will not be able to tell them apart. I have an E-M1 and an E-P5 and like the fact that I can pick either camera based on how I will be using it and be sure that the image quality will be the same.

This is good to hear. I'd been wondering if there was any significant difference in image quality between the EP5, EM5ii (I have both) and EM1 (which I don't have). I've done the image comparison on DP Review of the EP5 and EM5ii test images and could not tell any significant difference. Actually, the output of the Pen F did not appear significantly better either, but it was downsized to compare at the 16 mp output.

my em5mk2 images are sharper than the em5 which is still impressive, the em5mk2 doesn't have a AA filter.

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OP timza New Member • Posts: 17
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This is really good to hear. This allows me to use my P5 on my tripod for architectural type photography with the hinge up EVF and my M1 for more continuous autofocus action type photography and not feel I am missing anything either way.

pdk42
pdk42 Senior Member • Posts: 1,299
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EarthQuake wrote:

In practical use there isn't a visible difference in image quality between the two. The only exception is very long (multiple seconds or longer) exposures, where the EM1 has worse noticeably worse noise performance.

It only really becomes an issue beyond 30-40 seconds.   However, when it does rear its head, it gets pretty ugly.  It can be mostly avoided by using Long Exposure Noise Reduction (dark frame subtraction) but that doubles the time to take a shot.

As a landscape shooter this is really the one big downside of the E-M1.  None of the other 16Mp Olympus cameras have this issue which I think fairly conclusively proves that it doesn't have the same sensor.  There are also subtle colour differences between it and the other cameras and as others have said it does seem to handle highlights better so gives better DR (ever so slightly).

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MikeK5117 Regular Member • Posts: 438
Re: Does the Olympus E-P5 and the E-M1 Mark I have the same sensor?

Adding to an old thread, I use my EP-5 for astrophotography with exposures commonly 2-5 minutes or sometimes more. The noise performance from this sensor is excellent even at these very long exposure times.

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