Size of Sensor On The Best Premium Smartphones

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ryder78 Contributing Member • Posts: 650
Size of Sensor On The Best Premium Smartphones
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I am doing a compilation on smartphones which are touted to have the highest quality camera. I cannot find information on the size of the sensor on the specification page of most smartphones. Perhaps phone manufacturers do not want to reveal the size of the tiny sensors on their products.

I will start off with smartphones which have the largest sensor, followed by those with smaller sensors.

1. Panasonic Lumix CM1 _____________________ 1"

2. Nokia Pureview 808 _______________________ 1/1.2"

3. Nokia N8 __________________________________ 1/1.8"

4. Google Pixel / Pixel + ______________________ 1/2.3" (not too bad for a current design)

5. Nokia Lumia 1520 _________________________ 1/2.5"

6. Samsung Galaxy 8 / 8+ ____________________ ?

7. Huawei P10 / P10+ ________________________ ?

8. LG G6 _____________________________________ ?

9. Apple iPhone ______________________________ ?

How is the performance of the Google Pixel's camera? It appears to have a pretty large sensor, for a "proper" smartphone.

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Minimum Size of Sensor For A Good Camera Phone

Any thoughts on the minimum size of the sensor that a good camera phone should have? In my opinion, it's 1/1.7".

Can Nokia, Samsung, LG, Huawei or any other phone manufacturer come up with a product with a sensor size of at least 1/1.7" by dropping the slim profile of the phone? Just one model would do. Can this be a possibility in the near future?

bigley Ling Veteran Member • Posts: 4,448
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I do not think there will be a thick smart phone coming out any time soon. I think clever algorithms to deal with existing hardware may be thr key. This is all possible thx to more powerful cpus in smart phones

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vv50 Contributing Member • Posts: 594
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ryder78 wrote:

I am doing a compilation on smartphones which are touted to have the highest quality camera. I cannot find information on the size of the sensor on the specification page of most smartphones. Perhaps phone manufacturers do not want to reveal the size of the tiny sensors on their products.

I will start off with smartphones which have the largest sensor, followed by those with smaller sensors.

1. Panasonic Lumix CM1 _____________________ 1"

2. Nokia Pureview 808 _______________________ 1/1.2"

Nokia 1020 should be on this list.

supeyugin1 Contributing Member • Posts: 858
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vv50 wrote:

ryder78 wrote:

I am doing a compilation on smartphones which are touted to have the highest quality camera. I cannot find information on the size of the sensor on the specification page of most smartphones. Perhaps phone manufacturers do not want to reveal the size of the tiny sensors on their products.

I will start off with smartphones which have the largest sensor, followed by those with smaller sensors.

1. Panasonic Lumix CM1 _____________________ 1"

2. Nokia Pureview 808 _______________________ 1/1.2"

Nokia 1020 should be on this list.

Nokia 1020 2/3"

Sony Xperia XZ 1/2.3"

HTC 10 1/2.3"

Galaxy S8 1/2.5"

Microsoft Lumia 950 1/2.4"

Blackberry Priv 1/2.4"

LG G6 1/3"

Apple 1/3"

Samsung Galaxy K Zoom 1/2.3"

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Stevan G Contributing Member • Posts: 591
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bigley Ling wrote:

I do not think there will be a thick smart phone coming out any time soon. I think clever algorithms to deal with existing hardware may be thr key. This is all possible thx to more powerful cpus in smart phones

there is no clever algorithm(and you could run it on Cray regarding powerful CPU) that could produce a picture like this without proper sensor & flash

https://image.ibb.co/kZWBBQ/2017_05_13_1890.jpg

once you get used to this level of clarity there is no going back to other cameraphones

bigley Ling Veteran Member • Posts: 4,448
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Stevan G wrote:

bigley Ling wrote:

I do not think there will be a thick smart phone coming out any time soon. I think clever algorithms to deal with existing hardware may be thr key. This is all possible thx to more powerful cpus in smart phones

there is no clever algorithm(and you could run it on Cray regarding powerful CPU) that could produce a picture like this without proper sensor & flash

https://image.ibb.co/kZWBBQ/2017_05_13_1890.jpg

once you get used to this level of clarity there is no going back to other cameraphones

True! Nothing like a Xenon flash to freeze motion and provide full illumination when there is none.

Will have to investigate more into the S8's triple shot algorithm which seems to be able to capture 3 exposures with no visible lag. I know it will not match and 808 or 1020 for outright resolution as it only has a 12MP sensor but lets hope the ability to process multiple exposures will result is more detail with less water color type noise reduction.

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Stevan G Contributing Member • Posts: 591
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bigley Ling wrote:

Stevan G wrote:

bigley Ling wrote:

I do not think there will be a thick smart phone coming out any time soon. I think clever algorithms to deal with existing hardware may be thr key. This is all possible thx to more powerful cpus in smart phones

there is no clever algorithm(and you could run it on Cray regarding powerful CPU) that could produce a picture like this without proper sensor & flash

https://image.ibb.co/kZWBBQ/2017_05_13_1890.jpg

once you get used to this level of clarity there is no going back to other cameraphones

True! Nothing like a Xenon flash to freeze motion and provide full illumination when there is none.

Will have to investigate more into the S8's triple shot algorithm which seems to be able to capture 3 exposures with no visible lag. I know it will not match and 808 or 1020 for outright resolution as it only has a 12MP sensor but lets hope the ability to process multiple exposures will result is more detail with less water color type noise reduction.

don't hold your hopes high, I had a friend with S8 next to me and we both pictured a couple dancing on the wedding...the results weren't even comparable

vv50
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Stevan G wrote:

bigley Ling wrote:

Stevan G wrote:

bigley Ling wrote:

I do not think there will be a thick smart phone coming out any time soon. I think clever algorithms to deal with existing hardware may be thr key. This is all possible thx to more powerful cpus in smart phones

there is no clever algorithm(and you could run it on Cray regarding powerful CPU) that could produce a picture like this without proper sensor & flash

https://image.ibb.co/kZWBBQ/2017_05_13_1890.jpg

once you get used to this level of clarity there is no going back to other cameraphones

True! Nothing like a Xenon flash to freeze motion and provide full illumination when there is none.

Will have to investigate more into the S8's triple shot algorithm which seems to be able to capture 3 exposures with no visible lag. I know it will not match and 808 or 1020 for outright resolution as it only has a 12MP sensor but lets hope the ability to process multiple exposures will result is more detail with less water color type noise reduction.

don't hold your hopes high, I had a friend with S8 next to me and we both pictured a couple dancing on the wedding...the results weren't even comparable

if the subject is in motion, you need a camera that can prioritize shutter speed. most phones with default auto mode will prioritize exposure, in indoor light that will be less than ideal to stop blur.

Stevan G Contributing Member • Posts: 591
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True that.

Jostian
Jostian Veteran Member • Posts: 3,456
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vv50 wrote:

Stevan G wrote:

bigley Ling wrote:

Stevan G wrote:

bigley Ling wrote:

I do not think there will be a thick smart phone coming out any time soon. I think clever algorithms to deal with existing hardware may be thr key. This is all possible thx to more powerful cpus in smart phones

there is no clever algorithm(and you could run it on Cray regarding powerful CPU) that could produce a picture like this without proper sensor & flash

https://image.ibb.co/kZWBBQ/2017_05_13_1890.jpg

once you get used to this level of clarity there is no going back to other cameraphones

True! Nothing like a Xenon flash to freeze motion and provide full illumination when there is none.

Will have to investigate more into the S8's triple shot algorithm which seems to be able to capture 3 exposures with no visible lag. I know it will not match and 808 or 1020 for outright resolution as it only has a 12MP sensor but lets hope the ability to process multiple exposures will result is more detail with less water color type noise reduction.

don't hold your hopes high, I had a friend with S8 next to me and we both pictured a couple dancing on the wedding...the results weren't even comparable

if the subject is in motion, you need a camera that can prioritize shutter speed. most phones with default auto mode will prioritize exposure, in indoor light that will be less than ideal to stop blur.

true, wonder why phone manufactures are so averse to Xenon, its the one option that literally freezes motion like on a DSLR etc. do you think its the size of the module, the cost, battery consumption etc.? just wondering...

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bigley Ling Veteran Member • Posts: 4,448
Re: Minimum Size of Sensor For A Good Camera Phone

Jostian wrote:

vv50 wrote:

Stevan G wrote:

bigley Ling wrote:

Stevan G wrote:

bigley Ling wrote:

I do not think there will be a thick smart phone coming out any time soon. I think clever algorithms to deal with existing hardware may be thr key. This is all possible thx to more powerful cpus in smart phones

there is no clever algorithm(and you could run it on Cray regarding powerful CPU) that could produce a picture like this without proper sensor & flash

https://image.ibb.co/kZWBBQ/2017_05_13_1890.jpg

once you get used to this level of clarity there is no going back to other cameraphones

True! Nothing like a Xenon flash to freeze motion and provide full illumination when there is none.

Will have to investigate more into the S8's triple shot algorithm which seems to be able to capture 3 exposures with no visible lag. I know it will not match and 808 or 1020 for outright resolution as it only has a 12MP sensor but lets hope the ability to process multiple exposures will result is more detail with less water color type noise reduction.

don't hold your hopes high, I had a friend with S8 next to me and we both pictured a couple dancing on the wedding...the results weren't even comparable

if the subject is in motion, you need a camera that can prioritize shutter speed. most phones with default auto mode will prioritize exposure, in indoor light that will be less than ideal to stop blur.

true, wonder why phone manufactures are so averse to Xenon, its the one option that literally freezes motion like on a DSLR etc. do you think its the size of the module, the cost, battery consumption etc.? just wondering...

Cost. Xenon flashes are not cheap in relatI've to phone costs. Also xenon flashes require high current discharge which on turn needs capacitors  requiring more juice and space.

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bigley Ling Veteran Member • Posts: 4,448
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vv50 wrote:

Stevan G wrote:

bigley Ling wrote:

Stevan G wrote:

bigley Ling wrote:

I do not think there will be a thick smart phone coming out any time soon. I think clever algorithms to deal with existing hardware may be thr key. This is all possible thx to more powerful cpus in smart phones

there is no clever algorithm(and you could run it on Cray regarding powerful CPU) that could produce a picture like this without proper sensor & flash

https://image.ibb.co/kZWBBQ/2017_05_13_1890.jpg

once you get used to this level of clarity there is no going back to other cameraphones

True! Nothing like a Xenon flash to freeze motion and provide full illumination when there is none.

Will have to investigate more into the S8's triple shot algorithm which seems to be able to capture 3 exposures with no visible lag. I know it will not match and 808 or 1020 for outright resolution as it only has a 12MP sensor but lets hope the ability to process multiple exposures will result is more detail with less water color type noise reduction.

don't hold your hopes high, I had a friend with S8 next to me and we both pictured a couple dancing on the wedding...the results weren't even comparable

if the subject is in motion, you need a camera that can prioritize shutter speed. most phones with default auto mode will prioritize exposure, in indoor light that will be less than ideal to stop blur.

Yes shutter priority works but at the sacrifice in quality. At times it.may be good to be able to get the shot rather than just a blurry mess

Here is a shot which I used shutter priority using the app camera pixels for iOS

iPhone se using shutter priority

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SHood Veteran Member • Posts: 5,214
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bigley Ling wrote:

I do not think there will be a thick smart phone coming out any time soon. I think clever algorithms to deal with existing hardware may be thr key. This is all possible thx to more powerful cpus in smart phones

The key will be faster sensor readout.  90% of smartphone images can be taken at 1/60s.  The latest Sony Smartphone sensor can read-out two images in 1/60s allowing the camera to combine images for better HDR and/or lower noise without having to compensate for subject movement.  I can see sensor readout doubling again in the next 2 years giving even further IQ improvements.  This is why we will never again see larger sensors in smartphones.

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supeyugin1 wrote:

vv50 wrote:

ryder78 wrote:

I am doing a compilation on smartphones which are touted to have the highest quality camera. I cannot find information on the size of the sensor on the specification page of most smartphones. Perhaps phone manufacturers do not want to reveal the size of the tiny sensors on their products.

I will start off with smartphones which have the largest sensor, followed by those with smaller sensors.

1. Panasonic Lumix CM1 _____________________ 1"

2. Nokia Pureview 808 _______________________ 1/1.2"

Nokia 1020 should be on this list.

Nokia 1020 2/3"

Sony Xperia XZ 1/2.3"

HTC 10 1/2.3"

Galaxy S8 1/2.5"

Microsoft Lumia 950 1/2.4"

Blackberry Priv 1/2.4"

LG G6 1/3"

Apple 1/3"

Samsung Galaxy K Zoom 1/2.3"

HTC U11 1/2.55"

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Stevan G wrote:

bigley Ling wrote:

I do not think there will be a thick smart phone coming out any time soon. I think clever algorithms to deal with existing hardware may be thr key. This is all possible thx to more powerful cpus in smart phones

there is no clever algorithm(and you could run it on Cray regarding powerful CPU) that could produce a picture like this without proper sensor & flash

https://image.ibb.co/kZWBBQ/2017_05_13_1890.jpg

once you get used to this level of clarity there is no going back to other cameraphones

"https://image.ibb.co/kZWBBQ/2017_05_13_1890.jpg"

Nokia 808 for the win

Jostian
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Van Nostrand wrote:

Stevan G wrote:

bigley Ling wrote:

I do not think there will be a thick smart phone coming out any time soon. I think clever algorithms to deal with existing hardware may be thr key. This is all possible thx to more powerful cpus in smart phones

there is no clever algorithm(and you could run it on Cray regarding powerful CPU) that could produce a picture like this without proper sensor & flash

https://image.ibb.co/kZWBBQ/2017_05_13_1890.jpg

once you get used to this level of clarity there is no going back to other cameraphones

"https://image.ibb.co/kZWBBQ/2017_05_13_1890.jpg"

Nokia 808 for the win

yes it remains brilliant IQ wise, that Xenon flash is awesome.

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supeyugin1 wrote:

supeyugin1 wrote:

vv50 wrote:

ryder78 wrote:

I am doing a compilation on smartphones which are touted to have the highest quality camera. I cannot find information on the size of the sensor on the specification page of most smartphones. Perhaps phone manufacturers do not want to reveal the size of the tiny sensors on their products.

I will start off with smartphones which have the largest sensor, followed by those with smaller sensors.

1. Panasonic Lumix CM1 _____________________ 1"

2. Nokia Pureview 808 _______________________ 1/1.2"

Nokia 1020 should be on this list.

Nokia 1020 2/3"

Sony Xperia XZ 1/2.3"

HTC 10 1/2.3"

Galaxy S8 1/2.5"

Microsoft Lumia 950 1/2.4"

Blackberry Priv 1/2.4"

LG G6 1/3"

Apple 1/3"

Samsung Galaxy K Zoom 1/2.3"

HTC U11 1/2.55"

Blackberry KEYOne 1/2.3"

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bigley Ling Veteran Member • Posts: 4,448
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supeyugin1 wrote:

supeyugin1 wrote:

supeyugin1 wrote:

vv50 wrote:

ryder78 wrote:

I am doing a compilation on smartphones which are touted to have the highest quality camera. I cannot find information on the size of the sensor on the specification page of most smartphones. Perhaps phone manufacturers do not want to reveal the size of the tiny sensors on their products.

I will start off with smartphones which have the largest sensor, followed by those with smaller sensors.

1. Panasonic Lumix CM1 _____________________ 1"

2. Nokia Pureview 808 _______________________ 1/1.2"

Nokia 1020 should be on this list.

Nokia 1020 2/3"

Sony Xperia XZ 1/2.3"

HTC 10 1/2.3"

Galaxy S8 1/2.5"

Microsoft Lumia 950 1/2.4"

Blackberry Priv 1/2.4"

LG G6 1/3"

Apple 1/3"

Samsung Galaxy K Zoom 1/2.3"

HTC U11 1/2.55"

Blackberry KEYOne 1/2.3"

Hmm would be interesting to see the image quality of the KEYOne. It is a very unique smartphone that still has a physical keyboard.

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Re: Size of Sensor On The Best Premium Smartphones

bigley Ling wrote:

supeyugin1 wrote:

supeyugin1 wrote:

supeyugin1 wrote:

vv50 wrote:

ryder78 wrote:

I am doing a compilation on smartphones which are touted to have the highest quality camera. I cannot find information on the size of the sensor on the specification page of most smartphones. Perhaps phone manufacturers do not want to reveal the size of the tiny sensors on their products.

I will start off with smartphones which have the largest sensor, followed by those with smaller sensors.

1. Panasonic Lumix CM1 _____________________ 1"

2. Nokia Pureview 808 _______________________ 1/1.2"

Nokia 1020 should be on this list.

Nokia 1020 2/3"

Sony Xperia XZ 1/2.3"

HTC 10 1/2.3"

Galaxy S8 1/2.5"

Microsoft Lumia 950 1/2.4"

Blackberry Priv 1/2.4"

LG G6 1/3"

Apple 1/3"

Samsung Galaxy K Zoom 1/2.3"

HTC U11 1/2.55"

Blackberry KEYOne 1/2.3"

Hmm would be interesting to see the image quality of the KEYOne. It is a very unique smartphone that still has a physical keyboard.

and from what I hear using the same sensor as the Pixel...

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