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fishy wishy wrote:

absquatulate wrote:

Of course shooting Sigma is "counter-culture", just like shooting film is, we're the Photography anarchists, audacious low ISO rebels! come the revolution.....

As for Sigmas being unique in clouds... the Fuji SuperCCD already did much better than modern sensors in maintaining highlights there.

You mean the sensor that no longer exists because it was so popular?

This gives some obvious rejoinders :

1) Are Sigmas popular? I never saw a real-life shop selling them.

I never saw a real shop selling many cameras, most people buy their stuff online these days, go and have a look and see if you can find them. I'm pretty sure Sigma is still producing cameras considering I just bought a new one.

2) What do you know about the costs of converting a novel sensor design to custom CMOS in a saturated market for a small player? The R pixels of SuperCCD also gave Fuji a marketing problem in the specification race. They could continue to lie about the number of pixels yielded, like Sigma did by quoting 3x the real pixel count, or they could try another approach to impressing the public. Unfortunately they chose a rather inneffectual redesign of the bayer matrix but most of all made their cameras trendy for the hipster set.

In summary - "no they don't make them anymore".

I wish you had made an effort to point out supposed tonal improvements with some photos maybe. Otherwise tossing out the idea of Sigma as the poor man's medium format is as good as a non sequitur.

There's this thing called the internet, on it you'll find this thing called "Google", feel free to take advantage of this technology and find some images yourself. I'm sure you'll actually find some in this actual forum, if click fatigue doesn't finish you off first.

Not going to quote coz its too long.. few points reading the fun argument here:

1. Decent review, slightly bias in the way you say it IMO which I accept you being liking the gear, the overall performance of handling in different aspects is clear in the review. I would simply ignore the overall star rating to start with, that chart clearly tells a better store, it's a star rating on its own for each aspect like High ISO, etc.

2. Star ratings is, IMHO, overrated. We all know that with the ever increasing over specialisation of gears to make a niche position in this overly competitive market is essential to survive. All serious Photographers here of ANY type would not buy an "all-rounder", because it would means they are not the best in what you need them to do, be it landscape or sports etc etc.

Sorry deviated to economics and business, but I think SIGMA is a well respected company out there to make money, not just to make us argue or some of us superhappy/sad about its design.

Off topic, sorry I am unfamiliar with this sensor technology, why is it poor in low light / high iso environment? Would it work if I have a tripod and a long exposure ? Would the situation improves? Happy to read other posts you refer me to learn more about this sensor, my opinion is neutral and here to learn more about this interesting looking camera.

I am new to DPR, so please don't be too mean ;-).

Thanks!

LEOXES wrote:

Not going to quote coz its too long.. few points reading the fun argument here:

1. Decent review, slightly bias in the way you say it IMO which I accept you being liking the gear, the overall performance of handling in different aspects is clear in the review. I would simply ignore the overall star rating to start with, that chart clearly tells a better store, it's a star rating on its own for each aspect like High ISO, etc.

2. Star ratings is, IMHO, overrated. We all know that with the ever increasing over specialisation of gears to make a niche position in this overly competitive market is essential to survive. All serious Photographers here of ANY type would not buy an "all-rounder", because it would means they are not the best in what you need them to do, be it landscape or sports etc etc.

Sorry deviated to economics and business, but I think SIGMA is a well respected company out there to make money, not just to make us argue or some of us superhappy/sad about its design.

Off topic, sorry I am unfamiliar with this sensor technology, why is it poor in low light / high iso environment? Would it work if I have a tripod and a long exposure ? Would the situation improves? Happy to read other posts you refer me to learn more about this sensor, my opinion is neutral and here to learn more about this interesting looking camera.

I am new to DPR, so please don't be too mean ;-).

Thanks!

Fair comments and welcome to the bear pit that is DPR. To qualify about this camera, it's specialism is low ISO very high quality images. The output is more like film than any other non foveon camera, and it behaves very similar to film, which was the designers intent.

I will almost always shoot at ISO 100/200, above that I will shoot black and white up to ISO1600. Unlike bayer cameras, and like negative film, the shadows block quickly but the highlights are very smooth and don't clip to white as abruptly as bayer sensors. You can shoot lowlight on a tripod no problem, longer exposures over 2 minutes are not so good. It's a specialist tool for people who like to shoot the best quality at base ISO.

It also has excellent colour properties at ISO100/200, the colour and tones are much more like film, which I like very much. There are obviously some caveats, the camera is not rapid to operate, but its quick enough and quicker than shooting film in most respects.

Shooting foveon is the photographic equivalent of marmite, people either love foveon cameras or hate them. When you know what you are doing the results are often stunning, and the SDQ/H are probably the easiest Foveon cameras to shoot with in my experience. If you're a spray and pray kind of guy then they will not be for you. If you have some patience then you will be rewarded with images that have their own unique and very special look.

Many people use the word "stunning" when they process well taken files for the first time, I don't think it's an overstatement. When I process shots from these cameras and nail it then the files always make me smile, there is almost a hyper-realism with Foveon files at times, due to the superb sharpness, colour and micro-contrast, and they're excellent for black and white shots as well, much like film.