Kisaha wrote:
haiiyaa wrote:
Milondon15 wrote:
brownie112 wrote:
haiiyaa wrote:
I had both and the nx500 is better for landscapes and have better ergonomics and lower weight. The X-t20 beats the nx500 in every other aspect though and has a great viewfinder.
Sorry but that doesn't make lot of sense. Wouldn't it come down to what lens you had for each cameras?
Other than having view finder and Fuji logo/warranty I don't see any huge advantage or reason to be "beaten" by XT-20.
Completely Agree, Afterall the sensor on the nx500 is still the best APSC size sensor. Nx500 has 16% more pixels, faster shutter speed, best 4K footage. All in a package that's nearly a third lighter.
The nx500 does have the better sensor, especially if used for landscape and such. While the nx500 have the faster mechanical shutter the x-t20 have a much faster electronical one. The 4k footage definately isn't better with the crop, low light performance and surprisingly also with continuous autofocus
nx500 pros over the x-t20
- Better sensor for landscape.
- Smaller size
- Better ergonomics
- touchscreen implementation
x-t20 pros over the nx500
- Better autofocus
- Better buffer
- Better video(continous focus, low iso, no crop)
- mic input
- Viewfinder
- Controls
- More lenses
- Build quality
- Better jpeg
This is madness.
You realize that you are trying to compare two different class cameras? and in 2 years difference?! The similar NX would be an (imaginary) NX50 (something that never realized as we all know).
How is it madness? That is what the topic starter is asking. I thought I was doing a good thing here helping the topic starter out.
When I bought the NX500 new with the PZ kit lens, +2 batteries and a charger in the box (I think it was called NX510 or something), it cost a little less than 650$, and X-T20 is 1150$ body only.
Better autofocus, maybe, it has to be, but it's not like it is Dual Pixel, I am sure they must be really close in real life scenarios. I haven't used this camera but previous generation of Fuji (that were out the same time as the NX500) had worst AF, and in 16megapixels.
The Fujifilm is using the same autofocus system as the fujifilm x-t2 which is far far superior to older fujifilm cameras. It's comparable or better than the sony a6300/a6500. If you don't believe theres plenty of videos talking about the autofocus system on youtube or reviews. It's certainly better than than the samsung nx500.
Video: It sub samples, so I do not see a great 4K performer here, and it has no crop, exactly because it sub samples the image! NX500 has C-AF also, obviously. NX500 offers great image, and with the 12-24mm and the 10mm fisheye the crop can be easily defeated, while, in my case, I use that as an advantage, when shooting interviews, I do my wide shots with NX1+16-50S 2-2.8f and close ups with the NX500 and the excellent portrait 45mm 1.8f (which goes to 110mm with the crop).
Yes the nx500 has c-af but it's not working as well as the autofocus on the fujifilm x-t20. Atleast it didn't for me with the 16-50mm pz. You can also add a 10-24mm to the fujifilm and again have a much wider angle of view than the nx500. I think the x-t20 is a great performer and has been better for me than the nx500. Here's a short video I recorded a while ago with the x-t20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjPL6PfPA4U
The fujifilm has better c-af, better low light performance, no crop, 4k 30fps, no noise when zooming and despite the lack of IBIS it have much better stabilization during video.
NX500 with the mod, has also 2.5K video, and advanced bitrates, records video straight for 73minutes (1080p, that I shoot) and it hasn't overheated to me once, and I have used it on some really tough situations, and H265, that is as future proof as it gets and a huge advantage for me.
A mod that can brick your camera shouldn't be included in the comparison.
It is funny that you put in the pros "viewfinder", "controls" = duh! like people that bought the NX500 didn't notice the lack of it. NX500 has excellent controls and ergonomics for the size, almost unbelievable.
The nx500 definately have the better ergonomics for my hands while the x-t20 has a small grip. The nx500 also have excellent controls also but not as good as the x-t20, though the touchscreen implementation is much better.
The lenses argument is as empty as the magician's hut, if you need some specific lenses, and the system you own has them, then why do you need more? Samsung nailed it with the available lenses.
e.g I know most amateurs would be perfectly happy with the pancake, the UWZ and the kit on a Canon EOS-M camera, why bother with needs they do not have?
A bigger lense selection is always a good thing.
What is the problem with NX1/NX500 build quality? Even the NX300 I had, I learned from the person I gave it recently that it have fallen a few times and everything is just fine after so many years. My NXs (even the NX3000 is build amazingly) are still like new.
Did I say there's anything wrong with the build quality? I only said the x-t20 have better build quality.
JPGs: Completely subjective, and NX cameras have so many settings and different profiles that you can produce exactly the image you want. Plus, there is raw and the such. This is kind of a silly Fuji argument we hear all the time. There are dead cheap film emulations plug ins that do the same.
X-t20 goes to 1/4000 and 1/180 flash speed while NX500 goes to 1/6000 shutter speed and 1/200 flash speed, plus it has a completely silent function in the mod.
The x-t20 goes to 1/32000 using the electronic shutter which is completely silent as well
X-T20 is 8fps, NX500 is 9fps and it has more battery life (!), while probably the best menu system in the industry (still) and best wifi/Bluetooth/touch screen implementation.
x-t20 can go to 14fps with electronic shutter and have a much bigger buffer(25 raw vs 6 from the nx500, 62jpeg vs 38 from nx500). If you think the nx500 is better in that regards you are dillusional.
So, yeah, while I would call the X-T20 a better camera for some, for others (like me) NX500 is much closer to what I bought it for, as a C cam for live video and pocketable every day camera with the 30mm pancake or the 10mm NX fisheye, which, by the way, I do not see one in Fuji's extended lens list.
You can get the samyang 8mm or 10mm.
I don't know why people are getting so defensive when I'm just trying to help deciding between the two cameras. I have no brand loyalty and I look at things objectively and try to find the best camera.
I would have stuck with samsung and the nx500 if samsung had still stayed in the camera business, but I couldn't get myself to buy more lenses for a dead system. I would have been happy staying with the nx500 but there's no denying that the x-t20 is a better camera in most regards, which it should be considering the price. That said, the nx500 is so good for landscape that I might get one again.
