70-200mm F4 Portrait

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70-200mm F4 Portrait

I see that a lot of people selling 70-200mm F4 in FB, Ebay, and more. Any ideas why?

Btw, are there any sample portrait images with 70-200mm F4 recently especially at 200mm F4?

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Sunshine7913 wrote:

I see that a lot of people selling 70-200mm F4 in FB, Ebay, and more. Any ideas why?

They want the GM?

Btw, are there any sample portrait images with 70-200mm F4 recently especially at 200mm F4?

I don't know of any. 200mm is a bit long for portraits. I don't see a problem for that use, though (if that's what floats your boat), since the corners aren't usually important, and customers (or subjects) tend not to pixel-peep portraits.

Jim

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JimKasson wrote:

Sunshine7913 wrote:

I see that a lot of people selling 70-200mm F4 in FB, Ebay, and more. Any ideas why?

They want the GM?

Btw, are there any sample portrait images with 70-200mm F4 recently especially at 200mm F4?

I don't know of any. 200mm is a bit long for portraits. I don't see a problem for that use, though (if that's what floats your boat), since the corners aren't usually important, and customers (or subjects) tend not to pixel-peep portraits.

Jim

200mm is where the pro's start for portraits, because it gets rid of perspective distortion.

-Kelly

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kelstertx wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Sunshine7913 wrote:

I see that a lot of people selling 70-200mm F4 in FB, Ebay, and more. Any ideas why?

They want the GM?

Btw, are there any sample portrait images with 70-200mm F4 recently especially at 200mm F4?

I don't know of any. 200mm is a bit long for portraits. I don't see a problem for that use, though (if that's what floats your boat), since the corners aren't usually important, and customers (or subjects) tend not to pixel-peep portraits.

Jim

200mm is where the pro's start for portraits, because it gets rid of perspective distortion.

-Kelly

Not my experience. You have evidence of that?

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kelstertx wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Sunshine7913 wrote:

I see that a lot of people selling 70-200mm F4 in FB, Ebay, and more. Any ideas why?

They want the GM?

Btw, are there any sample portrait images with 70-200mm F4 recently especially at 200mm F4?

I don't know of any. 200mm is a bit long for portraits. I don't see a problem for that use, though (if that's what floats your boat), since the corners aren't usually important, and customers (or subjects) tend not to pixel-peep portraits.

Jim

200mm is where the pro's start for portraits, because it gets rid of perspective distortion.

I've asked to to tell me why you think that is so. I am especially interested since it is at variance with my experience working with pros in that environment.

But let me offer a few examples from my own efforts in that realm.

For head and shoulders portraits, I've always liked a 150 on a 6x6 or 6x7 or a 120 on a 645. That would be the equivalent of a 90mm lens on a FF camera, which I've also used:

You can even move in tight with that combination and not have distortion:

Sometimes a 135mm FF equivalent works when you're really in tight:

200 on a FF camera? That's possible wrt the perspective of the image, but at that distance you lose rapport with your subject and you've passed the point of diminishing returns on perspective.

But show some of your portraits with a 200 or longer. Maybe you have a different idea.

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My wife likes her photos at 200mm
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That's with the 70-200/4? If so that's just what the OP was looking for.

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Yes, they are from my Sony 70-200/F4. Lately, I have been thinking about why bother to get another portrait lens when everything can be done post processing.

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kelstertx Veteran Member • Posts: 5,246
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JimKasson wrote:

kelstertx wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Sunshine7913 wrote:

I see that a lot of people selling 70-200mm F4 in FB, Ebay, and more. Any ideas why?

They want the GM?

Btw, are there any sample portrait images with 70-200mm F4 recently especially at 200mm F4?

I don't know of any. 200mm is a bit long for portraits. I don't see a problem for that use, though (if that's what floats your boat), since the corners aren't usually important, and customers (or subjects) tend not to pixel-peep portraits.

Jim

200mm is where the pro's start for portraits, because it gets rid of perspective distortion.

I've asked to to tell me why you think that is so. I am especially interested since it is at variance with my experience working with pros in that environment.

But let me offer a few examples from my own efforts in that realm.

For head and shoulders portraits, I've always liked a 150 on a 6x6 or 6x7 or a 120 on a 645. That would be the equivalent of a 90mm lens on a FF camera, which I've also used:

You can even move in tight with that combination and not have distortion:

Sometimes a 135mm FF equivalent works when you're really in tight:

200 on a FF camera? That's possible wrt the perspective of the image, but at that distance you lose rapport with your subject and you've passed the point of diminishing returns on perspective.

But show some of your portraits with a 200 or longer. Maybe you have a different idea.

Jim

I was referring to articles and stuff I read years ago. I couldn't begin to find them now.  I just recall reading that a lot of pros used 200+, despite being further from the model due to perspective distortion.  I think it was tutorials explaining perspective distortion, but it seems like they were showed actual pros in sessions going on.  I remember seeing very long white lenses that looked way too long and heavy to me.  Who knows, maybe that was the best Canon lens at the time?  Searches now seem to turn up the 70-200L as the must have.

I do like the idea of only needing a "sliver" of good background area at 200mm, as pointed out in this page.  Although the 135mm shot doesn't need much either.

Personally, I've only done one session with a 200mm (a Nikkor Ais 200mm f4) and they turned out nicely, but not something I could post -- client wouldn't be happy about that. She's lost a lot of weight since then.  That lens worked well for that shoot, as it was outside and I was snapping her while she was swinging on a swingset.  I didn't choose the lens because of the working distance... I had just gotten it and wanted to try it out.  I'd have done just as well with a 135mm probably, if I'd had one at the time.

-Kelly

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Portrait at 200mm. I wouldn't try and draw inferences from what others are doing with their lenses. This is a fine optic and very versatile.

FE 70-200mm f/4 @ 200mm

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Don't buy FE 70-200 F4,Canon 70-200 f2.8 Non IS + MC-11 is very good in low light and perfect in outside.Large aperture more convenient. 

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I like the 70-200, f/4 for pics of my grandkids. Lets you get far enough away so they are not aware they are being photographed. The Sigma 150mm also works well.

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The more I shoot with the GM 70-200 f2.8, the more that I find I miss my old G 70-200 f4.

The 70-200 f4 is quite light in comparison to the GM, as well as adapted canon lenses that tend to be built like tanks but have a weight penalty associated with that.

The OSS and IBIS combined with the G 70-200 works very well when you're pushing your SS. I've gotten sharp shots at 1/50 of a second at 200mm with my old G 70-200 f4.

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Nghia3d wrote:

Don't buy FE 70-200 F4,Canon 70-200 f2.8 Non IS + MC-11 is very good in low light and perfect in outside.Large aperture more convenient.

I say don't get an f/2.8 70-200 unless you need the wide aperture. I have the Sony 70-200/4 and I use it on an a7RII. I also have the (IMHO, great) new Nikon 70-200/2.8 and I use it on my D5. Different lenses for different purposes. It's nice to have a light, easy to handle lens like the Sony f/4 one in many circumstances.

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For the size, weight and price the SEL70200g is a great lens. Compare the size of the gm version or other canon or Nikon lenses and it's half the weight and size. For portraits I tend to prefer an 85mm or 135mm focal length, but for events where I know the extra reach is needed I often take the SEL70200g too.

Examples of my photos with this lens can be found here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/mattrkeyworth/albums/72157652724239834

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MRK 2010 wrote:

For the size, weight and price the SEL70200g is a great lens. Compare the size of the gm version or other canon or Nikon lenses and it's half the weight and size. For portraits I tend to prefer an 85mm or 135mm focal length, but for events where I know the extra reach is needed I often take the SEL70200g too.

Examples of my photos with this lens can be found here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/mattrkeyworth/albums/72157652724239834

The images on the above links are not very sharp. What do you think of them?

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That's because the photos aren't available on Flickr in the highest resolution....and no I'm afraid I'm not going to post full size images here.

I can assure you the majority of the images are sharp though.....

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Sunshine7913 wrote:

I see that a lot of people selling 70-200mm F4 in FB, Ebay, and more. Any ideas why?

Btw, are there any sample portrait images with 70-200mm F4 recently especially at 200mm F4?

Any lens can be used for portrait, but the 70-200 is never my first choice for portrait.

I have multiple 70-200 F4 from different manufactures as I shoot multiple systems, but they are mostly used for landscape during hiking trips, they are all small and light, really easy to hike with. I don't even use them for event, too slow, I prefer to use my 2.8 version for event shooting,

I always use fast primes for portrait, for its fast wide open aperture, meaning DOF control, even F2.8 is way too slow and I am not going to deal with a F4, more importantly, they normally have much nice bokeh which I don't find it in the slow zoom.

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Great images!

Unfortunately, they don't count.

It's not just the focal length that's not 'pro', the F numbers are gigantic. Both eyes are in focus and one can even recognise the ears, totally unacceptable.

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