Panasonic Lumix - Lightroom color profiles

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bsas
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Hi all,

Since Adobe released the new Camera Raw patch with the DCP (Camera Profile) files for the GH5, I am converting those to support "older" cameras (like mine G85) and, even if I cannot ensure color accuracy (of course, because the cameras are different), I think the color profiles are close enough. Anyway, it is better then nothing.

If you want to try yourself be my guest and let me know if it works for you. Here is the list of the ones I converted. You just need to copy all DCP files to the folder:

C:\Users\{user name}\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles

If you miss your camera, please let me know:

Panasonic G85/G80/G81:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/73hy8aqpdrewonc/Panasonic%20DMC-G8.zip?dl=0

Panasonic G7:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e5baunnjdise3j8/Panasonic%20DMC-G7.zip?dl=0

Panasonic GM1:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p6u9toj872b2rxs/Panasonic%20DMC-GM1.zip?dl=0

Panasonic GM5:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/07x6sl9vo7i1r8o/Panasonic%20DMC-GM5.zip?dl=0

Panasonic GX8:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tp3kbo6jutq7s7u/Panasonic%20DMC-GX8.zip?dl=0

Panasonic GX85/GX80/GX7 Mark II:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sv19oj4fi2wgh80/Panasonic%20DMC-GX85.zip?dl=0

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Minstadave Regular Member • Posts: 381
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Thank you for sharing this, going to try them out now

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Keit ll Veteran Member • Posts: 4,674
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Many thanks, Just installed the GX-80 profiles, they look promising & are significantly different from the Adobe Standard profile.

PS - if anyone has trouble finding the Roaming file , type %appdata% in start search box.

Minstadave Regular Member • Posts: 381
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These are great, thank you!

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Bruce McL Senior Member • Posts: 1,409
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People should expect some unusual behavior when adjusting white balance with these profiles. It's hard to explain exactly what happens, but I'll try:

When you leave the white balance on "As Shot" and change profiles, the colors will look pretty good, but you will see the numbers for tone and/or temperature change. If you adjust the white balance tone and temperature sliders or use another preset while you are in Adobe Standard, then the numbers will not change when you change profiles. This will usually make the new profile look worse than it did when using it "as shot."

The workaround for this is to use the ColorMatrix1 and ColorMatrix2 data from the Adobe Standard profile of the camera you are converting to. This will make the white balance numbers match Adobe Standard. However it will affect the color somewhat. How much depends on the camera.

"Anyway, it is better then nothing."

I don't think that is always true. Downloading a few RAW files from each camera and trying the profiles out would be a good idea before releasing the profiles to the public.  Photographyblog and Imaging-Resource are two good sources for RAW files.

bsas
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Re: Panasonic Lumix - Lightroom color profiles

Bruce McL wrote:

People should expect some unusual behavior when adjusting white balance with these profiles. It's hard to explain exactly what happens, but I'll try:

When you leave the white balance on "As Shot" and change profiles, the colors will look pretty good, but you will see the numbers for tone and/or temperature change. If you adjust the white balance tone and temperature sliders or use another preset while you are in Adobe Standard, then the numbers will not change when you change profiles. This will usually make the new profile look worse than it did when using it "as shot."

Did you tried the files or do you just think that behavior will happen for sure? I am just curious.

One of the reasons I built those is exactly because the "color science" on the GH5 "should" be close enough from the other Lumix cameras, and it is the first time Adobe released a Lumix color set.

The workaround for this is to use the ColorMatrix1 and ColorMatrix2 data from the Adobe Standard profile of the camera you are converting to. This will make the white balance numbers match Adobe Standard. However it will affect the color somewhat. How much depends on the camera.

Unfortunetly there is no "Adobe Standard" DCP file for those cameras (at least I couldn't find). If you know where they are let me know and I will fix those.

One of the main reasons I am sharing these is for people to tryout. I am not promising they will work. Another reason is try to show Adobe that there is a demand for this, so they can build a proper set.

"Anyway, it is better then nothing."

I don't think that is always true. Downloading a few RAW files from each camera and trying the profiles out would be a good idea before releasing the profiles to the public. Photographyblog and Imaging-Resource are two good sources for RAW files.

I politely disagree

If the select box has 1 option only (so you just can't change it) or a bunch, even if the behavior is a little off, at least you can tweak it.

Sorry, I just don't have time for trying all those profiles with every single camera RAW. That is why I am asking the people from the forum to help me test and tweak it.

If you don't want to download my "broken profiles", be my guest

I just think that sharing those at least can (I hope) call some attention from Adobe about the demand for it.

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Bruce McL Senior Member • Posts: 1,409
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bsas wrote:

Bruce McL wrote:

People should expect some unusual behavior when adjusting white balance with these profiles. It's hard to explain exactly what happens, but I'll try:

When you leave the white balance on "As Shot" and change profiles, the colors will look pretty good, but you will see the numbers for tone and/or temperature change. If you adjust the white balance tone and temperature sliders or use another preset while you are in Adobe Standard, then the numbers will not change when you change profiles. This will usually make the new profile look worse than it did when using it "as shot."

Did you tried the files or do you just think that behavior will happen for sure? I am just curious.

One of the reasons I built those is exactly because the "color science" on the GH5 "should" be close enough from the other Lumix cameras, and it is the first time Adobe released a Lumix color set.

I have tried this on many profiles for many different cameras myself. This time around I looked at your GX8 profiles.

The workaround for this is to use the ColorMatrix1 and ColorMatrix2 data from the Adobe Standard profile of the camera you are converting to. This will make the white balance numbers match Adobe Standard. However it will affect the color somewhat. How much depends on the camera.

Unfortunetly there is no "Adobe Standard" DCP file for those cameras (at least I couldn't find). If you know where they are let me know and I will fix those.

They are in a different folder. Where you see the Camera files, go to the enclosing folder and you will see "Camera" and "Adobe" folders. Adobe Standard for all cameras are loose in the "Adobe" folder.

One of the main reasons I am sharing these is for people to tryout. I am not promising they will work. Another reason is try to show Adobe that there is a demand for this, so they can build a proper set.

"Anyway, it is better then nothing."

I don't think that is always true. Downloading a few RAW files from each camera and trying the profiles out would be a good idea before releasing the profiles to the public. Photographyblog and Imaging-Resource are two good sources for RAW files.

I politely disagree

If the select box has 1 option only (so you just can't change it) or a bunch, even if the behavior is a little off, at least you can tweak it.

In Adobe Standard, set white balance to "As Shot."

Switch to your profile.

Don't go back, but go forward and switch back to Adobe Standard.

Change the color temperature by 50 degrees.

Go forward and switch to your profile.

Using history, compare the first and second time you switched to your profile. The colors will not be 50 degrees apart. They will be much more different than that. The difference will vary from camera to camera.

I don't think that's a good thing to do to other people.

Sorry, I just don't have time for trying all those profiles with every single camera RAW. That is why I am asking the people from the forum to help me test and tweak it.

If you don't want to download my "broken profiles", be my guest

I just think that sharing those at least can (I hope) call some attention from Adobe about the demand for it.

At least you could warn people: please switch to "As Shot" before switching to these profiles.

bsas
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Got it! I found the Standard profiles, and yes, looks like it behaves "better" replacing the "ColorMatrix1/2" sections with the original camera standard profiles.

I will rebuild the GX8 for you to test it out, is that OK?

I just can test my G85 files.

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Re: Panasonic Lumix - Lightroom color profiles

Bruce McL wrote:

bsas wrote:

Bruce McL wrote:

People should expect some unusual behavior when adjusting white balance with these profiles. It's hard to explain exactly what happens, but I'll try:

When you leave the white balance on "As Shot" and change profiles, the colors will look pretty good, but you will see the numbers for tone and/or temperature change. If you adjust the white balance tone and temperature sliders or use another preset while you are in Adobe Standard, then the numbers will not change when you change profiles. This will usually make the new profile look worse than it did when using it "as shot."

Did you tried the files or do you just think that behavior will happen for sure? I am just curious.

One of the reasons I built those is exactly because the "color science" on the GH5 "should" be close enough from the other Lumix cameras, and it is the first time Adobe released a Lumix color set.

I have tried this on many profiles for many different cameras myself. This time around I looked at your GX8 profiles.

Can you please try those modified ones:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tp3kbo6jutq7s7u/Panasonic%20DMC-GX8.zip?dl=0

They are using the ColorMatrix1/2 of the GX8

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Bruce McL Senior Member • Posts: 1,409
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bsas wrote:

Got it! I found the Standard profiles, and yes, looks like it behaves "better" replacing the "ColorMatrix1/2" sections with the original camera standard profiles.

I will rebuild the GX8 for you to test it out, is that OK?

I just can test my G85 files.

It's not about me, I build my own profiles. it's about being nice to all the people who download your profiles. You can download GX8 RAW files at the bottom of this page and test on them yourself.

http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/panasonic_lumix_dmc_gx8_review/sample_images/

It may not seem like it, but you are a software developer now. I have worked for software developers in the past. If you want to have happy users, a good reputation, and to be proud of your work, then testing is important.

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Bruce McL wrote:

bsas wrote:

Got it! I found the Standard profiles, and yes, looks like it behaves "better" replacing the "ColorMatrix1/2" sections with the original camera standard profiles.

I will rebuild the GX8 for you to test it out, is that OK?

I just can test my G85 files.

It's not about me, I build my own profiles. it's about being nice to all the people who download your profiles. You can download GX8 RAW files at the bottom of this page and test on them yourself.

http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/panasonic_lumix_dmc_gx8_review/sample_images/

It may not seem like it, but you are a software developer now. I have worked for software developers in the past. If you want to have happy users, a good reputation, and to be proud of your work, then testing is important.

Man, I am not a software developer "now", I am a software engineer for the past 20 years. So, that is very condescending and quite rude from you to say since you don't know me or my work. And I know the importance of testing, obviously.

But it is not "my work" or "my reputation" or even "my product" here. I did nothing. I am just recompiling Adobe profiles for whoever wants to use it. So, I cannot put time, effort or even "staple" as "my work", it is illegal. I would be "selling" Adobe's proprietary rights.

But I also know, as a "computer person", that a lot of people are intimidated by tools like the dcpTool that is a command line compiler/decompiler of XML to DCP files in the command line. And a lot of people don't build their own profiles like you do.

So, my only idea with this post was to help people.

I don't agree that keeping those files just to myself would be better. Also, I am not a professional color engineer, so, I cannot ever built a accurate profile to provide as "my own work". That is why I even stated at the beginning that I cannot assure accuracy and those are not "my profiles", just converted profiles from the original Adobe GH5.

If you provide your own profiles, cool! I would definitely check them out.

But that is not the purpose of this forum post. I am NOT providing "my own" profiles. This is Adobe's "adapted/recompiled" ones for people that can't open a command line and do it themselves.

If you don't want to test or help, fine. Just don't point out as I am misleading anyone, because I am not.

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Jack Deeman Regular Member • Posts: 161
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bsas wrote:

Hi all,

Since Adobe released the new Camera Raw patch with the DCP (Camera Profile) files for the GH5, I am converting those to support "older" cameras (like mine G85) and, even if I cannot ensure color accuracy (of course, because the cameras are different), I think the color profiles are close enough. Anyway, it is better then nothing.

If you want to try yourself be my guest and let me know if it works for you. Here is the list of the ones I converted. You just need to copy all DCP files to the folder:

C:\Users\{user name}\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles

If you miss your camera, please let me know:

Panasonic G85/G80/G81:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/73hy8aqpdrewonc/Panasonic%20DMC-G8.zip?dl=0

Panasonic G7:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e5baunnjdise3j8/Panasonic%20DMC-G7.zip?dl=0

Panasonic GM1:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p6u9toj872b2rxs/Panasonic%20DMC-GM1.zip?dl=0

Panasonic GM5:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/07x6sl9vo7i1r8o/Panasonic%20DMC-GM5.zip?dl=0

Panasonic GX8:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tp3kbo6jutq7s7u/Panasonic%20DMC-GX8.zip?dl=0

Panasonic GX85/GX80/GX7 Mark II:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sv19oj4fi2wgh80/Panasonic%20DMC-GX85.zip?dl=0

Can this work with Lightroom CC?  I have a mac and don't see a similar folder to put these files into.  Cheers, JD.

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Paulmorgan Veteran Member • Posts: 8,948
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Jack Deeman wrote:

bsas wrote:

Hi all,

Since Adobe released the new Camera Raw patch with the DCP (Camera Profile) files for the GH5, I am converting those to support "older" cameras (like mine G85) and, even if I cannot ensure color accuracy (of course, because the cameras are different), I think the color profiles are close enough. Anyway, it is better then nothing.

If you want to try yourself be my guest and let me know if it works for you. Here is the list of the ones I converted. You just need to copy all DCP files to the folder:

C:\Users\{user name}\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles

If you miss your camera, please let me know:

Panasonic G85/G80/G81:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/73hy8aqpdrewonc/Panasonic%20DMC-G8.zip?dl=0

Panasonic G7:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e5baunnjdise3j8/Panasonic%20DMC-G7.zip?dl=0

Panasonic GM1:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p6u9toj872b2rxs/Panasonic%20DMC-GM1.zip?dl=0

Panasonic GM5:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/07x6sl9vo7i1r8o/Panasonic%20DMC-GM5.zip?dl=0

Panasonic GX8:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tp3kbo6jutq7s7u/Panasonic%20DMC-GX8.zip?dl=0

Panasonic GX85/GX80/GX7 Mark II:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sv19oj4fi2wgh80/Panasonic%20DMC-GX85.zip?dl=0

Can this work with Lightroom CC? I have a mac and don't see a similar folder to put these files into. Cheers, JD.

There are two folders for profiles, one for Adobes and a second for your own.

The above address takes you to the folder for our own profiles, you won`t find any of adobes profiles in that folder.

Adobes profiles are here.

C/ProgramData/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles/Camera

Your own go here

C:\Users\{user name}\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles

valsan Contributing Member • Posts: 685
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Thanks bsas. The colours for the GM1 are too red.

bsas
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valsan wrote:

Thanks bsas. The colours for the GM1 are too red.

Sorry to hear

Probably the sensor on the GM1 is too different from the GH5. Nothing I can do to help.

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Checking G7's profiles, they're pretty interesting. They're not identical to the in camera ones, but they're a fun tool to have available in lightroom regardless.

Natural seems to be identical to portrait though. Could it be that you mixed them up when compiling?

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Stejo wrote:

Checking G7's profiles, they're pretty interesting. They're not identical to the in camera ones, but they're a fun tool to have available in lightroom regardless.

Natural seems to be identical to portrait though. Could it be that you mixed them up when compiling?

I can double check but I don't think so.

There is no way to make them identical unless if Adobe does it

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bsas wrote:

Stejo wrote:

Checking G7's profiles, they're pretty interesting. They're not identical to the in camera ones, but they're a fun tool to have available in lightroom regardless.

Natural seems to be identical to portrait though. Could it be that you mixed them up when compiling?

I can double check but I don't think so.

There is no way to make them identical unless if Adobe does it

Yea, they're not identical after all, should've looked closer. There's a tiny difference that's imperceptible to my eyes but I can see it in the histogram if I look really close. Weird, these 2 profiles are quite different in camera.

Anyway, you're certainly not the one to blame for their accuracy. Thanks for providing them.

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RobertG_Berlin Regular Member • Posts: 103
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Thank you bsas! o)

I just found your profiles and they do a great job for me.

With these profiles, it's very easy to match what the camera jpg engine produces. Even if they are not 100% exact, they're so close that I don't care about small bits being off. I always had trouble getting the images to look similar to the jpgs the camera produces in a reasonable amount of time.

This seems to be past from now on and makes me think to quit shooting jpg+raw and to stick with raw only instead from now on. The OOC jpgs are quite ok for many situations, so being able to create that look in ACR *quickly* is a huge step up.

A big thank you to you! o)

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RobertG_Berlin wrote:

Thank you bsas! o)

I just found your profiles and they do a great job for me.

With these profiles, it's very easy to match what the camera jpg engine produces. Even if they are not 100% exact, they're so close that I don't care about small bits being off. I always had trouble getting the images to look similar to the jpgs the camera produces in a reasonable amount of time.

This seems to be past from now on and makes me think to quit shooting jpg+raw and to stick with raw only instead from now on. The OOC jpgs are quite ok for many situations, so being able to create that look in ACR *quickly* is a huge step up.

A big thank you to you! o)

No problem, but Adobe just released an update to Lightroom with the "official" profiles, and they are more accurate then the ones I got, so, I recommend you to update your Lightroom and remove my profiles

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