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Seriously, Olympus. Where's my E-P6?

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Maklike Tier
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Seriously, Olympus. Where's my E-P6?
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No, really. My E-P5 - as much as I love it - was released 5 years ago.

FIVE.

The PEN-F was not intended as a replacement, not to mention it's C-AF is rubbish and it's overpriced.

The E-PL7 doesn't have programmable dials, so it's not a viable option, as far as I'm concerned.

So I ask you - "Where's my E-P6?"

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Skeeterbytes Forum Pro • Posts: 23,186
Re: Seriously, Olympus. Where's my E-P6?
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My SWAG is the E-P# series was at its evolutionary end with the -5 because folks have come to expect an EVF in $1k cameras. Still leaves a decent size hole between the Pen F and the rest of the Pen lineup, so maybe Oly drops a surprise there someday.

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according to Olympus rep, PEN-F = E-P6 (no need for 2 models)
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Maklike Tier wrote:  No, really. My E-P5 - as much as I love it - was released 5 years ago. FIVE.

Olympus E-P3 and E-P5 were both Sales Disappointment @the critical time of its CEO removal and financial scandal.  AFAIK, E-Px lines were AX right then.

Unfortunately for you, and fortunately for us, Olympus E-M5 prove to be an instant sales success.  Olympus saw the light and quickly fellow up with an lower end E-M10, which was another hit, and a higher end E-M1.

There were talk about eliminating the entire PEN lines completely in favor of E-M series.  What saved the PEN lines were actually the extremely popular Olympus PEN E-PL5/E-PL6 in Japan and entire Asia.  These lower-end Selfie-Capable is actually why Olympus haven't AX the PEN line completely.

The PEN-F was not intended as a replacement, not to mention it's C-AF is rubbish and it's overpriced.

According to an Olympus rep I spoke it, it actually is the "Spiritual" successor of Olympus e-P6, even if you don't want it to be.  PEN-F is targeted @the same sophisticated owner as the original e-P1/P2/P3/P5 owners.  Which by the way, always have terrible C-AF anyways.

The E-PL7 doesn't have programmable dials, so it's not a viable option, as far as I'm concerned.

e-PL series was aim @selling to Asian women.  They weren't design for you anyways.

So I ask you - "Where's my E-P6?"

the existance of PEN-F killed E-P6 anyways.  There is not enough of YOU to justified making an entirely different camera just to please you.

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darg Contributing Member • Posts: 504
Re: Seriously, Olympus. Where's my E-P6?
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Skeeterbytes wrote:

My SWAG is the E-P# series was at its evolutionary end with the -5 because folks have come to expect an EVF in $1k cameras. Still leaves a decent size hole between the Pen F and the rest of the Pen lineup, so maybe Oly drops a surprise there someday.

Rick

The thing with the view finder is solved in general with having it in the Pen F and also in the OMD series but the advantage of the old EP3/EP5 was that with the attached VF you could angle it which is not possible with any of the OMD cams or the Pen F. This what keeps me at the moment from "upgrading" into a newer chip group since the EP5 would be the last that supports the attachable VF.

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luisflorit
luisflorit Veteran Member • Posts: 8,514
No time for that.

Maklike Tier wrote:

No, really. My E-P5 - as much as I love it - was released 5 years ago.

FIVE.

The PEN-F was not intended as a replacement, not to mention it's C-AF is rubbish and it's overpriced.

The E-PL7 doesn't have programmable dials, so it's not a viable option, as far as I'm concerned.

So I ask you - "Where's my E-P6?"

No time for that. They are working on my E-M2.

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Guy Parsons
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Re: according to Olympus rep, PEN-F = E-P6 (no need for 2 models)
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007peter wrote:


According to an Olympus rep I spoke it, it actually is the "Spiritual" successor of Olympus e-P6, even if you don't want it to be.

In an Olympus interview (probably saw it at Imaging Resource) the Oly guy admitted that the Pen-F was a marketing experiment.

So, if it sells well it may evolve to Pen-F Mk2 or whatever. If it fails to make money then they may drop back to a simpler E-P6 or abandon it altogether to just concentrate on the selling well in Asia Pen Lite models.

Meanwhile my two E-P5 work fine so I'm in no hurry to upgrade to anything else, even if available.

Regards....... Guy

peppermonkey Veteran Member • Posts: 5,204
They could just follow Panasonic...

darg wrote:

Skeeterbytes wrote:

My SWAG is the E-P# series was at its evolutionary end with the -5 because folks have come to expect an EVF in $1k cameras. Still leaves a decent size hole between the Pen F and the rest of the Pen lineup, so maybe Oly drops a surprise there someday.

Rick

The thing with the view finder is solved in general with having it in the Pen F and also in the OMD series but the advantage of the old EP3/EP5 was that with the attached VF you could angle it which is not possible with any of the OMD cams or the Pen F. This what keeps me at the moment from "upgrading" into a newer chip group since the EP5 would be the last that supports the attachable VF.

and come out with a Pen with tiltable EVF like the GX8/GX7...

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Guy Parsons
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Found the interview.......
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Guy Parsons wrote:

In an Olympus interview (probably saw it at Imaging Resource) the Oly guy admitted that the Pen-F was a marketing experiment.

My friend Google found it..... http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2016/03/05/olympus-interview-cpplus-2016-recovery-is-techology-pen-f-experiment and scroll down to the Pen-F pic and start reading, the bit under the E-PL7 pic lower down is where the Oly admission is.

Regards........ Guy

Bershatsky Regular Member • Posts: 387
I agree, but I just bought an E-P3
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Steven 2 Regular Member • Posts: 254
Re: Seriously, Olympus. Where's my E-P6?
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There hasn't been any sensor improvements since then , unfortunately, so what would be the point really?  I think the target market for the EP series was probably diluted with the PEN-F and OM-D series anyway, so there wouldn't be many takers.

darg Contributing Member • Posts: 504
Re: They could just follow Panasonic...

peppermonkey wrote:

and come out with a Pen with tiltable EVF like the GX8/GX7...

That would be the right step up. Integrated VF, tilt able, controls over touchscreen for focus point when looking into the VF and buttons. I'm still dreaming.....

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peppermonkey Veteran Member • Posts: 5,204
Thankfully that dream is a reality...

darg wrote:

peppermonkey wrote:

and come out with a Pen with tiltable EVF like the GX8/GX7...

That would be the right step up. Integrated VF, tilt able, controls over touchscreen for focus point when looking into the VF and buttons. I'm still dreaming.....

as I see no point waiting for Oly to do such and happily using Panasonic.

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Maklike Tier
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Re: Found the interview.......
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Guy Parsons wrote:

Guy Parsons wrote:

In an Olympus interview (probably saw it at Imaging Resource) the Oly guy admitted that the Pen-F was a marketing experiment.

My friend Google found it..... http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2016/03/05/olympus-interview-cpplus-2016-recovery-is-techology-pen-f-experiment and scroll down to the Pen-F pic and start reading, the bit under the E-PL7 pic lower down is where the Oly admission is.

Regards........ Guy

Hey, thanks for the link.

I wish I understood exactly what the 'experiment' is. Is it an experiment of pushing prices (and margins) up, or an experiment in selling a camera with bad CAF and a gimmicky dial that hipsters can get excited about?

I kinda feel like us shooters that prefer rangefinder-style shooting in a retro package are being somewhat neglected at the moment.

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PoohBill
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Re: Seriously, Olympus. Where's my E-P6?
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darg wrote:

Skeeterbytes wrote:

My SWAG is the E-P# series was at its evolutionary end with the -5 because folks have come to expect an EVF in $1k cameras. Still leaves a decent size hole between the Pen F and the rest of the Pen lineup, so maybe Oly drops a surprise there someday.

Rick

The thing with the view finder is solved in general with having it in the Pen F and also in the OMD series but the advantage of the old EP3/EP5 was that with the attached VF you could angle it which is not possible with any of the OMD cams or the Pen F. This what keeps me at the moment from "upgrading" into a newer chip group since the EP5 would be the last that supports the attachable VF.

Agreed. Unobtrusive, top-down viewfinding, makes for stable shots from a lower down perspective.

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Re: They could just follow Panasonic...
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Not a better. The external EVF benefit isn't that it tilts....

  • It is aligned with the sensor
  • It tilts
  • It gives unobstructed view to either eye
  • It can be removed to make very slim body or move to other body
  • It can be upgraded or downgraded

But

  • It takes a hotshoe
  • Can be lost
  • Need to buy two if two bodies same time in use
  • Is more fragile to get broken
  • Can get abandoned by a abandoned data port

Like what if Olympus would release VF-5, a 4.4 million dot 1.7x viewfinder? Many would love how they could get new better one to old cameras!

Or a couple VF-1 ones, one for 25mm and one for a 45mm. So you get a optical ones...

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Re: according to Olympus rep, PEN-F = E-P6 (no need for 2 models)

Olympus official statement (not a one representative) was that PEN F is a anniversary model, very special for that. And it is not a E-P5 replacement.

They made it very clear back the release of PEN.

And E-M5 was their goal for m4/3 mount, but Olympus was planning to release a 4/3 mount (DSLR) of E-M1 until final phase opted for m4/3 model. Not because E-M5 but what a EVF offered in their tests.

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Seriously. Where's my E-M5 III?

I know I know, it has been only two years ...

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Re: Found the interview.......
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Experiment like a unique anniversary body that was designed just to be a unique one.

If happens that it would start to sell a lot, Olympus would revisit its plans about making a own line of it.

So read it this way: There is enough buyers to want a integrated viewfinder and special art knob in stylish expensive body.

So far if looking at it, there isn't. Even how sexy body it is said to be, how people love to handle it, but it just gets trashed down by many because "it is JPEG shooter camera" and "I can do better in front of computer". And then there are those who think that PEN F is for sports and birding and trash it by its C-AF performance (while it was from the start stated by Olympus it is for street photographers).

So, the problem with the PEN F is that it was designed for street photographers and a like, but gear heads hits back by wanting it to be everything as good as E-M1 or E-M1 Mk2 (PEN F Mk2) only because they want that corner EVF and sexy body.

So what Olympus has is special, some want it to be all, and it is question how well does it really sell for Olympus. Maybe well enough so they delay the E-P6.

K25 Regular Member • Posts: 296
Re: Seriously, Olympus. Where's my E-P6?
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Maklike Tier wrote:

No, really. My E-P5 - as much as I love it - was released 5 years ago.

FIVE.

The PEN-F was not intended as a replacement, not to mention it's C-AF is rubbish and it's overpriced.

The E-PL7 doesn't have programmable dials, so it's not a viable option, as far as I'm concerned.

So I ask you - "Where's my E-P6?"

I can tell you where is *my* E-P6: in a drawer at development dept. waiting for availability of global shutter and hand-held hires mode.
Ok, maybe I am waiting for E-P7 and don't need your E-P6... not sure what you are missing in your E-P5. I don't use C-AF and burst mode, and don't use my camera for movies. I assume that having different needs I would have got a different model, but the E-P5 was (and still is) the right camera for me.

Dunsun Contributing Member • Posts: 656
Re: according to Olympus rep, PEN-F = E-P6 (no need for 2 models)

Guy Parsons wrote:

007peter wrote:

According to an Olympus rep I spoke it, it actually is the "Spiritual" successor of Olympus e-P6, even if you don't want it to be.

In an Olympus interview (probably saw it at Imaging Resource) the Oly guy admitted that the Pen-F was a marketing experiment.

So, if it sells well it may evolve to Pen-F Mk2 or whatever. If it fails to make money then they may drop back to a simpler E-P6 or abandon it altogether to just concentrate on the selling well in Asia Pen Lite models.

Meanwhile my two E-P5 work fine so I'm in no hurry to upgrade to anything else, even if available.

Then you must be a very lucky guy because my 2 E-P5 cameras are now sold. The only reason I sold them was: FAILING DIALS !!

Anyways E-P5 is the best camera I have used, really. And yes I have used almost any crop mirrorless camera on the market + FF Sony A7. Olympus E-P5 is a very nice looking camera, with excellent ergonomics with a tilting screen. Best camera for street and smaller prime lenses. The only thing I was missing was an electronic shutter.

Pen F is nice as well. But it's overpriced, does not have a tilting screen and has that useless and not programmable front dial.

I think that once Olympus get it right it will be too late and by that time I will be completely migrated to Fujifilm with their upcoming X-E3.

Cheers

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