G7X - Do you miss the EVF?

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tkbslc Forum Pro • Posts: 12,673
G7X - Do you miss the EVF?

I'm trying to decide on a 1" compact.  I generally like everything better about the G7 X Mk2 over the RX100 III, except I worry I'll miss the EVF.

If you've used the G7X (either version), are there times where the screen is unusable due to strong sunlight?  Is it something to be concerned about?

Thanks.

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Rg Regular Member • Posts: 145
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tkbslc wrote:

I'm trying to decide on a 1" compact. I generally like everything better about the G7 X Mk2 over the RX100 III, except I worry I'll miss the EVF.

If you've used the G7X (either version), are there times where the screen is unusable due to strong sunlight? Is it something to be concerned about?

Thanks.

I just came from New England and was shooting in sunlight after the big spring snow they had... the answer to your first question is definitely YES.  I could not see a darn thing on my camera framing shots in the bright light (they still came out good being lucky with my aim).  One of the reasons I did not buy the Mk I version of this camera is because I wanted a viewfinder.  When I lost my Fuji X30 in an early snow last fall, I bought the G7X II (in spite of no EV) because I thought the upgrades were significant, it is pocketable, and I saw so many great pictures taken with it.  (I did not like the form factor of the G5).  When my X30 was found a couple weeks ago in the spring thaw, I spent almost 400 bucks to fix it - that should tell ya that I like that camera with its EVF.  Now, having said all that... Would I get rid of the G7XII for any reason?  No way.  It is a great camera, handles well, and takes beautiful pictures (in spite of having to hold it up like a cellphone).  To answer your second question, ya can't get too concerned about any of it; because we have yet to see the perfect camera.  We use what they give us for choices, and every camera has its pluses and minuses.

btw i almost bought the Sony, but something about the color and the realism of the canon jpegs looked better (to me).

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chj001 Regular Member • Posts: 206
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If the sun is behind you causing glare on the screen, flip the screen up 90 degrees and drop the camera down to waist level so that your body blocks the sunlight. If you're shooting into the sun causing glare in your eyes, I would ask "Why are you shootong INTO the sun?" unless for some special effect.

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Chaplain Mark
Chaplain Mark Senior Member • Posts: 3,507
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tkbslc wrote:

I'm trying to decide on a 1" compact. I generally like everything better about the G7 X Mk2 over the RX100 III, except I worry I'll miss the EVF.

If you've used the G7X (either version), are there times where the screen is unusable due to strong sunlight? Is it something to be concerned about?

Thanks.

You can temporarily max out the screen brightness by pressing and holding the down-arrow "button" on the rear wheel.

This should allow you to easily see the screen, even in bright sunlight, then press the down-arrow button again to restore the original brightness level to the screen.

This works for me on my G3X in bright sun, every time.

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OP tkbslc Forum Pro • Posts: 12,673
I guess I'll find out, I ordered one

My companion thread in the Sony forum said 90% of them rely heavily on the EVF.  So I'm a little worried, but I like everything else about the G7X II more.   The lens, the Canon colors, the controls, the touchscreen etc.     I'm hoping I can forget my m4/3 on trips now (and maybe permanently).

larsson Regular Member • Posts: 404
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NO i do not miss the EVF.

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John McCormack Veteran Member • Posts: 5,839
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The OP's comment about using the flexible LCD and shooting from the waist is a good tip.

Also, you might consider one of the better LCD screen protectors that have a matte/anti-glare finish. I like the Expert Shield screen protectors. They are a bit pricey at $13.95 each but come with a lifetime guarantee.

Check out the user review on the Expert Shield site here: http://shop.expertshield.com/Canon_G7X_MKII_Anti_Glare

PS. The screen for the G7 X MK II must be popular because they have been back-ordered recently (Any 3" size will work, however.)  I have no affiliation with the company.

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Smaug01 Senior Member • Posts: 1,892
No, I don't miss it.
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The screens can be QUITE bright.

We went through the same thing years ago, when they went from optical viewfinders in favor of electronic ones. At first, everyone was all in a tizzy. GOTTA have an OVF! To humor them, Canon made their G-series with OVFs, then they started alternating it with generations. Eventually, EVFs became high enough resolution that they were better than some tiny little smashed-down OVF.

Now, we're at the same point with EVFs vs. screens: the screens are SO good, EVFs aren't really an advantage for composing in bright light. The only time I miss it is when I'm trying to shoot at a lower shutter speed than I should be, and I find that using the head as a third bracing point steadies it up a bit. Even that though, OIS and sensor tech have gotten so good that this is ultra rare.

I read something from an RX100 owner recently that said he uses the EVF just as a conversation piece, because by the time he popped it up and telescoped it rearwards, he could have easily gotten the shot without it.

From my personal experience, I was anxious about the lack of an EVF when I got my G9X. Also, about having to use the touch screen. No problem on  either of them. I really like the articulation of the screen on the G7X. I missed that feature a bit, when I went from my Pentax MX-1 (fantastic camera, by the way, but now, the equivalently-lensed 1" sensor cameras are the same size...) to my G9X.

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chj001 Regular Member • Posts: 206
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I am using an anti-glare screen protector from Guarmor on Amazon for $9.88. It has the added benefit that fingerprints don't show as much.

Also, don't forget that you can quickly toggle the screen brightness to maximum and back by pressing and holding the Down button on the rear control wheel.

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chj001 wrote:

I am using an anti-glare screen protector from Guarmor on Amazon for $9.88. It has the added benefit that fingerprints don't show as much.

Also, don't forget that you can quickly toggle the screen brightness to maximum and back by pressing and holding the Down button on the rear control wheel.

Just my take, but I wouldn't really consider this. The touch screen is so good, it's a shame to make it less sensitive. Sometimes, you need the tip of your finger to do something with a light touch, and that would be lost with a screen protector.

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Of course, I only had the camera for a few weeks before I put on the screen protector, but I didn't notice ANY diminishment in the sensitivity of the screen after installing the protector.

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Alastair Norcross Veteran Member • Posts: 6,397
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chj001 wrote:

Of course, I only had the camera for a few weeks before I put on the screen protector, but I didn't notice ANY diminishment in the sensitivity of the screen after installing the protector.

Me neither, with the Expert Shield anti-glare screen protector. It makes no difference at all to the sensitivity of the touchscreen. Definitely a good investment.

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Reiiya New Member • Posts: 3
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I thought I would, but ever since I've had G7X in my hands I have never needed one. Flip screen is so much more better for low angle shots than EVF. I certainly don't miss rolling in mud to catch good shots.

MightyPir Forum Member • Posts: 61
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The concept of the viewfinder is great but I'm not so sure in practice.  I used a froends RX100 for a couple.of days and discovered that the viewfinder was a pain to use.  It's not fast to deploy and you cannot keep it out all the time.  There were very few times when I really needed to use the viewfinder.  I found the sony system a real pain to use, BTW.

When I got my G7x MK2 I have noticed that there ARE times when the screen is difficult to use (bright sunlight, etc).  But if you do what others have suggest (brighten, flip it etc) it all works out.  It would have been great to have a lumix style viewfinder, but in the grand scheme of things you shouldn't miss it that much.  The camera is fast, responsive and so much easier to use than the RX100...and the touch screen is awesome.

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Ditto, ditto, ditto!!!

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It is nice to have both especially if your LCD is angle adjustable. I got both, a super EVF and an articulated LCD with my favorite camera....the Fuji X30. I liked it so much, I bought two of them. I am glad for the duplicate X30 for they are not so easy to get now.

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tkbslc wrote:

My companion thread in the Sony forum said 90% of them rely heavily on the EVF. So I'm a little worried, but I like everything else about the G7X II more. The lens, the Canon colors, the controls, the touchscreen etc. I'm hoping I can forget my m4/3 on trips now (and maybe permanently).

I am following that thread, too! I have the Sony RX 100 M3, and its EVF is pretty small. If there is no glare, I prefer to use the screen. But if the sun is right behind me and I cannot see the screen, I use the EVF, though because there is no eye cup, I need to shield it with my hand so that there is no glare on the EVF. Now, what's really odd is this; it might be just my copy, but if the sun in in front of me, the EVF blacks out completely; it just steps working. My best guess is that, the mica in my eye shadow reflects the sunlight, and it somehow fools the eye sensor for the EVF. But if I block the sunlight with my hand, it works just fine. A bit of a pain to use it that way, but for sure it works better than using the screen. However, I've heard Canon screen works better with glare than Sony screen, so that might make a difference...

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I had the RX100 III and the EVF saw little use. I just do not like the implementation. Perhaps I am too used to my big camera's EVF. I sold the III and I versions of the RX100 and kept the G7X because of the 100mm F/2.8 mattered more to me.

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