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I want a Samsung NX1 + 85mm F1.4 (GAS problem)

Started Mar 18, 2017 | Discussions
Manzur Fahim
Manzur Fahim Veteran Member • Posts: 3,882
I want a Samsung NX1 + 85mm F1.4 (GAS problem)

Hello everyone,

Hope you are well.

I am mainly a Nikon user. I have Nikon D810, Sigma dp2 Merrill, Sigma SD Quattro and Sony RX100 M4.

I mainly shoot portraits and my Nikon setup is perfect for that. Sigma dp2 Merrill I bought as it was the true Foveon Merrill sensor and it is discontinued now. I got the new Sigma SD Quattro as it fascinates me in terms of rendering and IQ. Sony RX100 is for where I cant take a DSLR or somewhere where DSLR looks out of place.

I used Samsung NX1 briefly for about an hour about two years ago and I quite liked it. So many features and ahead of it's time. And I heard that the lenses were nice too. It is sad that Samsung won't manufacture anymore.

For some reason, my GAS is working up and I really want a Samsung NX1. And it is a good camera for the price too, except I already have cameras. I have also seen some photos taken with the 85mm and was thinking of getting the combo.

What do you think? Should I not get it because the platform is dead or should I not spend the money? Or if you think I should get it, which lens would be better, the 50-150mm F/2.8 or the 85mm F/1.4??

Many thanks everyone.

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tecnoworld
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Re: I want a Samsung NX1 + 85mm F1.4 (GAS problem)
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There is only one issue I see. If you buy the nx1 and 50-150 (and/or 85) you'll probably take much less pictures with your Nikon gear 😂

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parakalien Contributing Member • Posts: 556
Re: I want a Samsung NX1 + 85mm F1.4 (GAS problem)
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It's a great system for sure.

But considering the prices still haven't dropped for used nx gear (and probably won't ever now that they are so coveted) I wouldn't recommend buying one.

You already have a D810, do you really think an NX1 will give you anything your not already getting?

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Kubicide Contributing Member • Posts: 548
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Just a heads-up to hopefully help your GAS: Samsung quality can be quite bad...

I, too, was struck with Samsung GAS in early 2015 and bought what ended up being multiple NX-1's before finally giving up. This was when the kit with S zoom lens, grip and stuff was on sale for ~$2100 which was a great price (Amazon). It was the near-perfect camera for me on paper with 4K video, 120 Hz 1080p and 29 Mpixel stills, and the shots that did come out were excellent - absolutely loved the Samsung BSI sensor and camera processing. Also absolutely loved the fast f/2 zoom. But the quality of everything was terrible. It wasn't as if just one thing had issues - everything had some sort of a problem even the exchanged replacements. But the main issue was with loose lens mounting on every single body. In the multiple kits I tried they all had this problem and one was so bad it would clunk and actually move/rotate ~2 or 3mm (!) when simply turning the zoom. Another also made the clunk sound and produced an error message related to lens disconnect. A third kit did the same movement with no error but had a problem with the lens stabilizer not seen in the other two where 2 out 3 shots would be inexplicably blurred. Turning off the OS would fix it but I wouldn't live with that compromise. And one body had a huge cluster (>20) of stuck / hot red pixels right in the center at base ISO right out of the box. And of course there's no in-body pixel mapping.

Other issues included a command dial on one that would randomly not work - it was like the signal was missed when it was turned. Purchased a new, sealed 85mm only to open the box and see oil/liquid residue on the aperture blades and even FOD / black dot on the inside of the rear element. Also had the 50-150 which was a fantastic lens optically but would again fit loosely on the body and clunk whenever the zoom or focus rings were rotated. Even small issues would happen like the blue gasket lens seal constantly being pinched even when carefully mounting the lens - just a bad design there with tolerance being wrong in either the lens or the body mount.

Performance wise autofocus was often very poor when taking stills but very good for video. Rolling shutter was also pretty bad in 4K and disappointing, but actually quite good in 1080p. But the image quality was simply superb with great colors, tones, contrast, and was the reason I kept trying to stay with Samsung and the NX-1. Had the quality issues not happened then the only real critique I'd have was with the weight as the S lens and body are quite heavy mainly due to the big front optic and metal lens construction.

Anyway, the quality problems are real and if you search the net you'll find many examples from the 2015 timeframe in particular when the NX-1 was 'hot'. And YouTube has many examples of the issues. The lens issues (loose fit, bad stab) plagued most of the S lenses and NX-1 pretty hard. Some folks were fine with the issues; I wasn't especially with Nikon as my baseline. I never had anywhere near these problems with Nikon nor Canon, Fuji or Olympus.

It was quite disappointing to say the least. But must have been karma saving me future headaches with Samsung abandoning the line at the end of 2015. They surely were aware of the quality issues and it was likely one factor among many as to why they exited the business.

So IMO throwing any money into NX now is simply a waste of money no matter how tempting. I found the D500 turned out to be a far, far better solution with the only loss being in the video side (which was secondary to me compared to taking good stills). And I actually found the Nikon 16-80 lens to be much better than the S lens, and only miss the slightly faster f/2 versus f/2.8 speed.

markyboy81 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,778
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I would say that optically the 85mm is the best lens I own. I use it rarely but every time I think of selling it, I'll put it on the nx1 and be blown away by the images it produces.

I would recommend it if you can find one at a good price, although this seems unlikely nowadays.

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Manzur Fahim
OP Manzur Fahim Veteran Member • Posts: 3,882
Re: Be aware of quality issues...
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Kubicide wrote:

Just a heads-up to hopefully help your GAS: Samsung quality can be quite bad...

I, too, was struck with Samsung GAS in early 2015 and bought what ended up being multiple NX-1's before finally giving up. This was when the kit with S zoom lens, grip and stuff was on sale for ~$2100 which was a great price (Amazon). It was the near-perfect camera for me on paper with 4K video, 120 Hz 1080p and 29 Mpixel stills, and the shots that did come out were excellent - absolutely loved the Samsung BSI sensor and camera processing. Also absolutely loved the fast f/2 zoom. But the quality of everything was terrible. It wasn't as if just one thing had issues - everything had some sort of a problem even the exchanged replacements. But the main issue was with loose lens mounting on every single body. In the multiple kits I tried they all had this problem and one was so bad it would clunk and actually move/rotate ~2 or 3mm (!) when simply turning the zoom. Another also made the clunk sound and produced an error message related to lens disconnect. A third kit did the same movement with no error but had a problem with the lens stabilizer not seen in the other two where 2 out 3 shots would be inexplicably blurred. Turning off the OS would fix it but I wouldn't live with that compromise. And one body had a huge cluster (>20) of stuck / hot red pixels right in the center at base ISO right out of the box. And of course there's no in-body pixel mapping.

Other issues included a command dial on one that would randomly not work - it was like the signal was missed when it was turned. Purchased a new, sealed 85mm only to open the box and see oil/liquid residue on the aperture blades and even FOD / black dot on the inside of the rear element. Also had the 50-150 which was a fantastic lens optically but would again fit loosely on the body and clunk whenever the zoom or focus rings were rotated. Even small issues would happen like the blue gasket lens seal constantly being pinched even when carefully mounting the lens - just a bad design there with tolerance being wrong in either the lens or the body mount.

Performance wise autofocus was often very poor when taking stills but very good for video. Rolling shutter was also pretty bad in 4K and disappointing, but actually quite good in 1080p. But the image quality was simply superb with great colors, tones, contrast, and was the reason I kept trying to stay with Samsung and the NX-1. Had the quality issues not happened then the only real critique I'd have was with the weight as the S lens and body are quite heavy mainly due to the big front optic and metal lens construction.

Anyway, the quality problems are real and if you search the net you'll find many examples from the 2015 timeframe in particular when the NX-1 was 'hot'. And YouTube has many examples of the issues. The lens issues (loose fit, bad stab) plagued most of the S lenses and NX-1 pretty hard. Some folks were fine with the issues; I wasn't especially with Nikon as my baseline. I never had anywhere near these problems with Nikon nor Canon, Fuji or Olympus.

It was quite disappointing to say the least. But must have been karma saving me future headaches with Samsung abandoning the line at the end of 2015. They surely were aware of the quality issues and it was likely one factor among many as to why they exited the business.

So IMO throwing any money into NX now is simply a waste of money no matter how tempting. I found the D500 turned out to be a far, far better solution with the only loss being in the video side (which was secondary to me compared to taking good stills). And I actually found the Nikon 16-80 lens to be much better than the S lens, and only miss the slightly faster f/2 versus f/2.8 speed.

Thank you very much. I wasn't aware of these issues, and now I know. Thank you very much, and you should know that the temptation is gone. I cannot live with these issues so I'll save the money, hopefully a new D810 replacement will come soon

Have a great day everyone!

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markyboy81 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,778
Re: Be aware of quality issues...
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Manzur Fahim wrote:

Kubicide wrote:

Just a heads-up to hopefully help your GAS: Samsung quality can be quite bad...

I, too, was struck with Samsung GAS in early 2015 and bought what ended up being multiple NX-1's before finally giving up. This was when the kit with S zoom lens, grip and stuff was on sale for ~$2100 which was a great price (Amazon). It was the near-perfect camera for me on paper with 4K video, 120 Hz 1080p and 29 Mpixel stills, and the shots that did come out were excellent - absolutely loved the Samsung BSI sensor and camera processing. Also absolutely loved the fast f/2 zoom. But the quality of everything was terrible. It wasn't as if just one thing had issues - everything had some sort of a problem even the exchanged replacements. But the main issue was with loose lens mounting on every single body. In the multiple kits I tried they all had this problem and one was so bad it would clunk and actually move/rotate ~2 or 3mm (!) when simply turning the zoom. Another also made the clunk sound and produced an error message related to lens disconnect. A third kit did the same movement with no error but had a problem with the lens stabilizer not seen in the other two where 2 out 3 shots would be inexplicably blurred. Turning off the OS would fix it but I wouldn't live with that compromise. And one body had a huge cluster (>20) of stuck / hot red pixels right in the center at base ISO right out of the box. And of course there's no in-body pixel mapping.

Other issues included a command dial on one that would randomly not work - it was like the signal was missed when it was turned. Purchased a new, sealed 85mm only to open the box and see oil/liquid residue on the aperture blades and even FOD / black dot on the inside of the rear element. Also had the 50-150 which was a fantastic lens optically but would again fit loosely on the body and clunk whenever the zoom or focus rings were rotated. Even small issues would happen like the blue gasket lens seal constantly being pinched even when carefully mounting the lens - just a bad design there with tolerance being wrong in either the lens or the body mount.

Performance wise autofocus was often very poor when taking stills but very good for video. Rolling shutter was also pretty bad in 4K and disappointing, but actually quite good in 1080p. But the image quality was simply superb with great colors, tones, contrast, and was the reason I kept trying to stay with Samsung and the NX-1. Had the quality issues not happened then the only real critique I'd have was with the weight as the S lens and body are quite heavy mainly due to the big front optic and metal lens construction.

Anyway, the quality problems are real and if you search the net you'll find many examples from the 2015 timeframe in particular when the NX-1 was 'hot'. And YouTube has many examples of the issues. The lens issues (loose fit, bad stab) plagued most of the S lenses and NX-1 pretty hard. Some folks were fine with the issues; I wasn't especially with Nikon as my baseline. I never had anywhere near these problems with Nikon nor Canon, Fuji or Olympus.

It was quite disappointing to say the least. But must have been karma saving me future headaches with Samsung abandoning the line at the end of 2015. They surely were aware of the quality issues and it was likely one factor among many as to why they exited the business.

So IMO throwing any money into NX now is simply a waste of money no matter how tempting. I found the D500 turned out to be a far, far better solution with the only loss being in the video side (which was secondary to me compared to taking good stills). And I actually found the Nikon 16-80 lens to be much better than the S lens, and only miss the slightly faster f/2 versus f/2.8 speed.

Thank you very much. I wasn't aware of these issues, and now I know. Thank you very much, and you should know that the temptation is gone. I cannot live with these issues so I'll save the money, hopefully a new D810 replacement will come soon

Have a great day everyone!

Whilst I appreciate that there have been issues with nx equipment, I wouldn't like to speculate as to whether these issues are more frequent than with any other manufacturers.

I haven't had any quality issues with any of my kit - maybe I was lucky, or maybe the poster here was unlucky. Perhaps other users will chime in with their experiences.

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parakalien Contributing Member • Posts: 556
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I haven't had any quality issues with my nx500, nx1, or any of the lenses I have.

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TJL LTFF
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markyboy81 wrote:

I haven't had any quality issues with any of my kit - maybe I was lucky, or maybe the poster here was unlucky. Perhaps other users will chime in with their experiences.

For the last almost seven years I have used 17 different NX lenses/cameras. The only real issues I have encountered are with the NX10 and NX300. For some reason the NX10 after it wanted to take a dip in the Coral Sea and a nice drying out only worked for six more months. And the NX300 after it decided to drop onto pavement right on the corner where the battery door is, breaking it. The lcd refused to work also, after investigating that further the lcd, I believe, was fine, it was just not receiving a signal. The amazing thing is it still took great photos, but I was flying blind with the framing, settings etc. The NX500 had been out for a while and I was going to wait another 6 months to get it. But, a wonderful deal came up, so I switched.

I can't believe these two cameras treated me with such disregard.

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Sendeva Regular Member • Posts: 319
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I haven't had any quality issues with my NX1, NX500, NX1000 or any of my lenses.

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Kisaha Senior Member • Posts: 2,300
Re: Be aware of quality issues...
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Kubicide wrote:

Just a heads-up to hopefully help your GAS: Samsung quality can be quite bad...

I, too, was struck with Samsung GAS in early 2015 and bought what ended up being multiple NX-1's before finally giving up. This was when the kit with S zoom lens, grip and stuff was on sale for ~$2100 which was a great price (Amazon). It was the near-perfect camera for me on paper with 4K video, 120 Hz 1080p and 29 Mpixel stills, and the shots that did come out were excellent - absolutely loved the Samsung BSI sensor and camera processing. Also absolutely loved the fast f/2 zoom. But the quality of everything was terrible. It wasn't as if just one thing had issues - everything had some sort of a problem even the exchanged replacements. But the main issue was with loose lens mounting on every single body. In the multiple kits I tried they all had this problem and one was so bad it would clunk and actually move/rotate ~2 or 3mm (!) when simply turning the zoom. Another also made the clunk sound and produced an error message related to lens disconnect. A third kit did the same movement with no error but had a problem with the lens stabilizer not seen in the other two where 2 out 3 shots would be inexplicably blurred. Turning off the OS would fix it but I wouldn't live with that compromise. And one body had a huge cluster (>20) of stuck / hot red pixels right in the center at base ISO right out of the box. And of course there's no in-body pixel mapping.

Other issues included a command dial on one that would randomly not work - it was like the signal was missed when it was turned. Purchased a new, sealed 85mm only to open the box and see oil/liquid residue on the aperture blades and even FOD / black dot on the inside of the rear element. Also had the 50-150 which was a fantastic lens optically but would again fit loosely on the body and clunk whenever the zoom or focus rings were rotated. Even small issues would happen like the blue gasket lens seal constantly being pinched even when carefully mounting the lens - just a bad design there with tolerance being wrong in either the lens or the body mount.

Performance wise autofocus was often very poor when taking stills but very good for video. Rolling shutter was also pretty bad in 4K and disappointing, but actually quite good in 1080p. But the image quality was simply superb with great colors, tones, contrast, and was the reason I kept trying to stay with Samsung and the NX-1. Had the quality issues not happened then the only real critique I'd have was with the weight as the S lens and body are quite heavy mainly due to the big front optic and metal lens construction.

Anyway, the quality problems are real and if you search the net you'll find many examples from the 2015 timeframe in particular when the NX-1 was 'hot'. And YouTube has many examples of the issues. The lens issues (loose fit, bad stab) plagued most of the S lenses and NX-1 pretty hard. Some folks were fine with the issues; I wasn't especially with Nikon as my baseline. I never had anywhere near these problems with Nikon nor Canon, Fuji or Olympus.

It was quite disappointing to say the least. But must have been karma saving me future headaches with Samsung abandoning the line at the end of 2015. They surely were aware of the quality issues and it was likely one factor among many as to why they exited the business.

So IMO throwing any money into NX now is simply a waste of money no matter how tempting. I found the D500 turned out to be a far, far better solution with the only loss being in the video side (which was secondary to me compared to taking good stills). And I actually found the Nikon 16-80 lens to be much better than the S lens, and only miss the slightly faster f/2 versus f/2.8 speed.

Actually I found the NX quality much better than anything else out there (check the Olympus problems last year, the Nikon notorious QC as of late, Sony, etc etc). Also, check the iFixit, or similar videos, the NX cameras have the cleanest, most effective design and engineering.

All the multiple NX cameras I had, and the lenses, never had an issue, and all the people I know with NX, nothing at all.

As of the rolling shutter, NX cameras are at the top 3 of all cameras possible in 1080p

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?303559-Measuring-rolling-shutter-put-a-number-on-this-issue!

and is on par or better with cameras such as the A7rii, A7sii, A7s (in 1080p FF!), XT2, a6500 etc while D500 is a joke of a hybrid shooter (50% photos - 50% video use) with their plain silly video capabilities, and worst crop factor than the NX500, an older, and abysmally cheaper camera.

Plus extra money spend on special media for better performance, which anyway happens on a 20megapixels sensor, way less than the 24megapixels which are standard right now, and the 28megapixels of 2014 for NX.

No one has a similar to S lens.

This is the D810 and NX1 comparison with a similar lens

http://j.mp/2np34cS   and do not ask about weight...

caver3d Contributing Member • Posts: 915
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Kubicide wrote:

Just a heads-up to hopefully help your GAS: Samsung quality can be quite bad...

I, too, was struck with Samsung GAS in early 2015 and bought what ended up being multiple NX-1's before finally giving up. This was when the kit with S zoom lens, grip and stuff was on sale for ~$2100 which was a great price (Amazon). It was the near-perfect camera for me on paper with 4K video, 120 Hz 1080p and 29 Mpixel stills, and the shots that did come out were excellent - absolutely loved the Samsung BSI sensor and camera processing. Also absolutely loved the fast f/2 zoom. But the quality of everything was terrible. It wasn't as if just one thing had issues - everything had some sort of a problem even the exchanged replacements. But the main issue was with loose lens mounting on every single body. In the multiple kits I tried they all had this problem and one was so bad it would clunk and actually move/rotate ~2 or 3mm (!) when simply turning the zoom. Another also made the clunk sound and produced an error message related to lens disconnect. A third kit did the same movement with no error but had a problem with the lens stabilizer not seen in the other two where 2 out 3 shots would be inexplicably blurred. Turning off the OS would fix it but I wouldn't live with that compromise. And one body had a huge cluster (>20) of stuck / hot red pixels right in the center at base ISO right out of the box. And of course there's no in-body pixel mapping.

Other issues included a command dial on one that would randomly not work - it was like the signal was missed when it was turned. Purchased a new, sealed 85mm only to open the box and see oil/liquid residue on the aperture blades and even FOD / black dot on the inside of the rear element. Also had the 50-150 which was a fantastic lens optically but would again fit loosely on the body and clunk whenever the zoom or focus rings were rotated. Even small issues would happen like the blue gasket lens seal constantly being pinched even when carefully mounting the lens - just a bad design there with tolerance being wrong in either the lens or the body mount.

Performance wise autofocus was often very poor when taking stills but very good for video. Rolling shutter was also pretty bad in 4K and disappointing, but actually quite good in 1080p. But the image quality was simply superb with great colors, tones, contrast, and was the reason I kept trying to stay with Samsung and the NX-1. Had the quality issues not happened then the only real critique I'd have was with the weight as the S lens and body are quite heavy mainly due to the big front optic and metal lens construction.

Anyway, the quality problems are real and if you search the net you'll find many examples from the 2015 timeframe in particular when the NX-1 was 'hot'. And YouTube has many examples of the issues. The lens issues (loose fit, bad stab) plagued most of the S lenses and NX-1 pretty hard. Some folks were fine with the issues; I wasn't especially with Nikon as my baseline. I never had anywhere near these problems with Nikon nor Canon, Fuji or Olympus.

It was quite disappointing to say the least. But must have been karma saving me future headaches with Samsung abandoning the line at the end of 2015. They surely were aware of the quality issues and it was likely one factor among many as to why they exited the business.

So IMO throwing any money into NX now is simply a waste of money no matter how tempting. I found the D500 turned out to be a far, far better solution with the only loss being in the video side (which was secondary to me compared to taking good stills). And I actually found the Nikon 16-80 lens to be much better than the S lens, and only miss the slightly faster f/2 versus f/2.8 speed.

Wow, do I ever disagree with this.  You certainly did a hatchet job on Samsung, and unfortunately, swayed the OP.  I own the Sony A7RII and A7R, the Pentax K1, and two Samsung NX1 cameras, plus other cameras.  I have several NX lenses including the two S lenses - 16-50mm and 50-150mm.  I do NOT have the problems this poster has had. I have encountered minor play with most lenses and mounts in all systems - including Sony.  The NX1 is impressive, with great build, AF is excellent, and nearly all the lenses are SHARP (even the kit lenses are surprisingly good).  I would say, go for the NX1.  The prices won't fall much, and the NX system remains in great demand - and there are good reasons for this.  Whenever I see negative posts like the one above, I always wonder how much of the issues are actually related to the "photographer" as opposed to the system.

caver3d

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TechLoverHD New Member • Posts: 18
Re: Be aware of quality issues...
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markyboy81 wrote:

Manzur Fahim wrote:

Kubicide wrote:

Just a heads-up to hopefully help your GAS: Samsung quality can be quite bad...

I, too, was struck with Samsung GAS in early 2015 and bought what ended up being multiple NX-1's before finally giving up. This was when the kit with S zoom lens, grip and stuff was on sale for ~$2100 which was a great price (Amazon). It was the near-perfect camera for me on paper with 4K video, 120 Hz 1080p and 29 Mpixel stills, and the shots that did come out were excellent - absolutely loved the Samsung BSI sensor and camera processing. Also absolutely loved the fast f/2 zoom. But the quality of everything was terrible. It wasn't as if just one thing had issues - everything had some sort of a problem even the exchanged replacements. But the main issue was with loose lens mounting on every single body. In the multiple kits I tried they all had this problem and one was so bad it would clunk and actually move/rotate ~2 or 3mm (!) when simply turning the zoom. Another also made the clunk sound and produced an error message related to lens disconnect. A third kit did the same movement with no error but had a problem with the lens stabilizer not seen in the other two where 2 out 3 shots would be inexplicably blurred. Turning off the OS would fix it but I wouldn't live with that compromise. And one body had a huge cluster (>20) of stuck / hot red pixels right in the center at base ISO right out of the box. And of course there's no in-body pixel mapping.

Other issues included a command dial on one that would randomly not work - it was like the signal was missed when it was turned. Purchased a new, sealed 85mm only to open the box and see oil/liquid residue on the aperture blades and even FOD / black dot on the inside of the rear element. Also had the 50-150 which was a fantastic lens optically but would again fit loosely on the body and clunk whenever the zoom or focus rings were rotated. Even small issues would happen like the blue gasket lens seal constantly being pinched even when carefully mounting the lens - just a bad design there with tolerance being wrong in either the lens or the body mount.

Performance wise autofocus was often very poor when taking stills but very good for video. Rolling shutter was also pretty bad in 4K and disappointing, but actually quite good in 1080p. But the image quality was simply superb with great colors, tones, contrast, and was the reason I kept trying to stay with Samsung and the NX-1. Had the quality issues not happened then the only real critique I'd have was with the weight as the S lens and body are quite heavy mainly due to the big front optic and metal lens construction.

Anyway, the quality problems are real and if you search the net you'll find many examples from the 2015 timeframe in particular when the NX-1 was 'hot'. And YouTube has many examples of the issues. The lens issues (loose fit, bad stab) plagued most of the S lenses and NX-1 pretty hard. Some folks were fine with the issues; I wasn't especially with Nikon as my baseline. I never had anywhere near these problems with Nikon nor Canon, Fuji or Olympus.

It was quite disappointing to say the least. But must have been karma saving me future headaches with Samsung abandoning the line at the end of 2015. They surely were aware of the quality issues and it was likely one factor among many as to why they exited the business.

So IMO throwing any money into NX now is simply a waste of money no matter how tempting. I found the D500 turned out to be a far, far better solution with the only loss being in the video side (which was secondary to me compared to taking good stills). And I actually found the Nikon 16-80 lens to be much better than the S lens, and only miss the slightly faster f/2 versus f/2.8 speed.

Thank you very much. I wasn't aware of these issues, and now I know. Thank you very much, and you should know that the temptation is gone. I cannot live with these issues so I'll save the money, hopefully a new D810 replacement will come soon

Have a great day everyone!

Whilst I appreciate that there have been issues with nx equipment, I wouldn't like to speculate as to whether these issues are more frequent than with any other manufacturers.

I haven't had any quality issues with any of my kit - maybe I was lucky, or maybe the poster here was unlucky. Perhaps other users will chime in with their experiences.

Hello everyone, this is my first post on this forum (long time reader though). I have to say the same. Didn't have any issue with my NX1. It is an amazing camera.

As a matter of fact, I bought the Samsung NX1 as soon as it was released (3 weeks after I bought the Canon 70D.) Using both of them and recently bought a new 16-50mm S lens for the NX1, loving it. No problem with the mount of this kens or other NX lenses. Also, no issues whatsoever with the command dial.

Once, I had sensor issue though, but Samsung repaired it for free here in the UK within warranty period. Will buy another NX1 if this one fails in the future.

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Kubicide Contributing Member • Posts: 548
Re: Be aware of quality issues...
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caver3d wrote:

Kubicide wrote:

Just a heads-up to hopefully help your GAS: Samsung quality can be quite bad...

I, too, was struck with Samsung GAS in early 2015 and bought what ended up being multiple NX-1's before finally giving up. This was when the kit with S zoom lens, grip and stuff was on sale for ~$2100 which was a great price (Amazon). It was the near-perfect camera for me on paper with 4K video, 120 Hz 1080p and 29 Mpixel stills, and the shots that did come out were excellent - absolutely loved the Samsung BSI sensor and camera processing. Also absolutely loved the fast f/2 zoom. But the quality of everything was terrible. It wasn't as if just one thing had issues - everything had some sort of a problem even the exchanged replacements. But the main issue was with loose lens mounting on every single body. In the multiple kits I tried they all had this problem and one was so bad it would clunk and actually move/rotate ~2 or 3mm (!) when simply turning the zoom. Another also made the clunk sound and produced an error message related to lens disconnect. A third kit did the same movement with no error but had a problem with the lens stabilizer not seen in the other two where 2 out 3 shots would be inexplicably blurred. Turning off the OS would fix it but I wouldn't live with that compromise. And one body had a huge cluster (>20) of stuck / hot red pixels right in the center at base ISO right out of the box. And of course there's no in-body pixel mapping.

Other issues included a command dial on one that would randomly not work - it was like the signal was missed when it was turned. Purchased a new, sealed 85mm only to open the box and see oil/liquid residue on the aperture blades and even FOD / black dot on the inside of the rear element. Also had the 50-150 which was a fantastic lens optically but would again fit loosely on the body and clunk whenever the zoom or focus rings were rotated. Even small issues would happen like the blue gasket lens seal constantly being pinched even when carefully mounting the lens - just a bad design there with tolerance being wrong in either the lens or the body mount.

Performance wise autofocus was often very poor when taking stills but very good for video. Rolling shutter was also pretty bad in 4K and disappointing, but actually quite good in 1080p. But the image quality was simply superb with great colors, tones, contrast, and was the reason I kept trying to stay with Samsung and the NX-1. Had the quality issues not happened then the only real critique I'd have was with the weight as the S lens and body are quite heavy mainly due to the big front optic and metal lens construction.

Anyway, the quality problems are real and if you search the net you'll find many examples from the 2015 timeframe in particular when the NX-1 was 'hot'. And YouTube has many examples of the issues. The lens issues (loose fit, bad stab) plagued most of the S lenses and NX-1 pretty hard. Some folks were fine with the issues; I wasn't especially with Nikon as my baseline. I never had anywhere near these problems with Nikon nor Canon, Fuji or Olympus.

It was quite disappointing to say the least. But must have been karma saving me future headaches with Samsung abandoning the line at the end of 2015. They surely were aware of the quality issues and it was likely one factor among many as to why they exited the business.

So IMO throwing any money into NX now is simply a waste of money no matter how tempting. I found the D500 turned out to be a far, far better solution with the only loss being in the video side (which was secondary to me compared to taking good stills). And I actually found the Nikon 16-80 lens to be much better than the S lens, and only miss the slightly faster f/2 versus f/2.8 speed.

Wow, do I ever disagree with this. You certainly did a hatchet job on Samsung, and unfortunately, swayed the OP. I own the Sony A7RII and A7R, the Pentax K1, and two Samsung NX1 cameras, plus other cameras. I have several NX lenses including the two S lenses - 16-50mm and 50-150mm. I do NOT have the problems this poster has had. I have encountered minor play with most lenses and mounts in all systems - including Sony. The NX1 is impressive, with great build, AF is excellent, and nearly all the lenses are SHARP (even the kit lenses are surprisingly good). I would say, go for the NX1. The prices won't fall much, and the NX system remains in great demand - and there are good reasons for this. Whenever I see negative posts like the one above, I always wonder how much of the issues are actually related to the "photographer" as opposed to the system.

caver3d

Lol, well, not sure what there is to disagree with. This was my experience. And it was dreadful. And implying loose lens mounts is a user error is pretty funny! Suspect we simply have different levels of standards which is fine. Mine is high - not too high - but it has to be equal to that of Nikon or Canon or Fujinon or Olympus. And, unfortunately, Samsung wasn't and was actually far below the others.

Anyway, all manufacturers have there issues and struggles. But its likely Samsung had too many. There's reasons why they're not in the biz anymore. It wasn't because they lacked technical performance. It wasn't that they had crazy high prices. We can only use our imaginations as to why they exited but something made it unprofitable.

Even if the NX-1 was perfect it would still be a questionable decision to buy into a system that is dead IMO.

glasshalffull Forum Member • Posts: 70
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Kubicide wrote:

Lol, well, not sure what there is to disagree with. This was my experience. And it was dreadful. And implying loose lens mounts is a user error is pretty funny! Suspect we simply have different levels of standards which is fine. Mine is high - not too high - but it has to be equal to that of Nikon or Canon or Fujinon or Olympus. And, unfortunately, Samsung wasn't and was actually far below the others.

Anyway, all manufacturers have there issues and struggles. But its likely Samsung had too many. There's reasons why they're not in the biz anymore. It wasn't because they lacked technical performance. It wasn't that they had crazy high prices. We can only use our imaginations as to why they exited but something made it unprofitable.

Even if the NX-1 was perfect it would still be a questionable decision to buy into a system that is dead IMO.

Good day, sir.

You either had a bad experience and have taken on a personal agenda against all NX gear OR you just like trolling.

I had 3 NX bodies, multiple lenses over the years and none of them failed on me. If anything I was a Nikon shooter myself and Samsung at the time provided a much better value for money offerings so I switched. Even with your "dead system" reference, zero regrets and will happily buy another NX camera any day.

I got to use the D500 and D5500 and they are both great cameras in their own right but bagging a whole brand just because you *may* or may not had a bad experience is a bit silly.

Kisaha Senior Member • Posts: 2,300
Re: Be aware of quality issues...
2

Kubicide wrote:

caver3d wrote:

Kubicide wrote:

Just a heads-up to hopefully help your GAS: Samsung quality can be quite bad...

I, too, was struck with Samsung GAS in early 2015 and bought what ended up being multiple NX-1's before finally giving up. This was when the kit with S zoom lens, grip and stuff was on sale for ~$2100 which was a great price (Amazon). It was the near-perfect camera for me on paper with 4K video, 120 Hz 1080p and 29 Mpixel stills, and the shots that did come out were excellent - absolutely loved the Samsung BSI sensor and camera processing. Also absolutely loved the fast f/2 zoom. But the quality of everything was terrible. It wasn't as if just one thing had issues - everything had some sort of a problem even the exchanged replacements. But the main issue was with loose lens mounting on every single body. In the multiple kits I tried they all had this problem and one was so bad it would clunk and actually move/rotate ~2 or 3mm (!) when simply turning the zoom. Another also made the clunk sound and produced an error message related to lens disconnect. A third kit did the same movement with no error but had a problem with the lens stabilizer not seen in the other two where 2 out 3 shots would be inexplicably blurred. Turning off the OS would fix it but I wouldn't live with that compromise. And one body had a huge cluster (>20) of stuck / hot red pixels right in the center at base ISO right out of the box. And of course there's no in-body pixel mapping.

Other issues included a command dial on one that would randomly not work - it was like the signal was missed when it was turned. Purchased a new, sealed 85mm only to open the box and see oil/liquid residue on the aperture blades and even FOD / black dot on the inside of the rear element. Also had the 50-150 which was a fantastic lens optically but would again fit loosely on the body and clunk whenever the zoom or focus rings were rotated. Even small issues would happen like the blue gasket lens seal constantly being pinched even when carefully mounting the lens - just a bad design there with tolerance being wrong in either the lens or the body mount.

Performance wise autofocus was often very poor when taking stills but very good for video. Rolling shutter was also pretty bad in 4K and disappointing, but actually quite good in 1080p. But the image quality was simply superb with great colors, tones, contrast, and was the reason I kept trying to stay with Samsung and the NX-1. Had the quality issues not happened then the only real critique I'd have was with the weight as the S lens and body are quite heavy mainly due to the big front optic and metal lens construction.

Anyway, the quality problems are real and if you search the net you'll find many examples from the 2015 timeframe in particular when the NX-1 was 'hot'. And YouTube has many examples of the issues. The lens issues (loose fit, bad stab) plagued most of the S lenses and NX-1 pretty hard. Some folks were fine with the issues; I wasn't especially with Nikon as my baseline. I never had anywhere near these problems with Nikon nor Canon, Fuji or Olympus.

It was quite disappointing to say the least. But must have been karma saving me future headaches with Samsung abandoning the line at the end of 2015. They surely were aware of the quality issues and it was likely one factor among many as to why they exited the business.

So IMO throwing any money into NX now is simply a waste of money no matter how tempting. I found the D500 turned out to be a far, far better solution with the only loss being in the video side (which was secondary to me compared to taking good stills). And I actually found the Nikon 16-80 lens to be much better than the S lens, and only miss the slightly faster f/2 versus f/2.8 speed.

Wow, do I ever disagree with this. You certainly did a hatchet job on Samsung, and unfortunately, swayed the OP. I own the Sony A7RII and A7R, the Pentax K1, and two Samsung NX1 cameras, plus other cameras. I have several NX lenses including the two S lenses - 16-50mm and 50-150mm. I do NOT have the problems this poster has had. I have encountered minor play with most lenses and mounts in all systems - including Sony. The NX1 is impressive, with great build, AF is excellent, and nearly all the lenses are SHARP (even the kit lenses are surprisingly good). I would say, go for the NX1. The prices won't fall much, and the NX system remains in great demand - and there are good reasons for this. Whenever I see negative posts like the one above, I always wonder how much of the issues are actually related to the "photographer" as opposed to the system.

caver3d

Lol, well, not sure what there is to disagree with. This was my experience. And it was dreadful. And implying loose lens mounts is a user error is pretty funny! Suspect we simply have different levels of standards which is fine. Mine is high - not too high - but it has to be equal to that of Nikon or Canon or Fujinon or Olympus. And, unfortunately, Samsung wasn't and was actually far below the others.

Anyway, all manufacturers have there issues and struggles. But its likely Samsung had too many. There's reasons why they're not in the biz anymore. It wasn't because they lacked technical performance. It wasn't that they had crazy high prices. We can only use our imaginations as to why they exited but something made it unprofitable.

Even if the NX-1 was perfect it would still be a questionable decision to buy into a system that is dead IMO.

NX had never crazy prices, not the bodies, nor the lenses. From the forums and own experience, all the brands seem to have QC issues as of late, because most are produced in various factories, with the lowest wages possible. If you frequent other brands forum, like I do, you will see that there are more complaints from all other brands, than here.

The XC10, a very expensive Canon video camera has a ghosting issue, that Canon never admitted, and put out a newer version (XC15) to try to fix this, rendering all the XC10's almost a no-go for knowable consumers, and they have lost half their price in less than one year.

Sony cameras and cheap lenses are completely hit and miss, some overheat in 5 minutes, some hold for 15minutes, you never know what you are buying. Their cheap lenses, are very cheaply built and much inferior to NX ones, actually the cheap NX ones are some of the best in industry e.g the PZ one, is the best such lens I have ever seen, the 50-200 also. The pancakes as well.

There were people at the Nikon forums, declaring that they would have to wait for the D500 at least six months after its release, to see how the QC was, as even the Nikon fans weren't sure about the QC, Nikon is seriously having some issues as of late.

Olympus had to recall a lot of new cameras a year (or two?) ago, and many many more examples.

Fuji seem to  have less issues -made in Japan- but it is the brand I am least familiar (no close friends or business partners own one, know 2 Nikon photographers though, very pleased, have almost move to Fuji).

Manzur Fahim
OP Manzur Fahim Veteran Member • Posts: 3,882
Re: Be aware of quality issues...

caver3d wrote:

Kubicide wrote:

Just a heads-up to hopefully help your GAS: Samsung quality can be quite bad...

I, too, was struck with Samsung GAS in early 2015 and bought what ended up being multiple NX-1's before finally giving up. This was when the kit with S zoom lens, grip and stuff was on sale for ~$2100 which was a great price (Amazon). It was the near-perfect camera for me on paper with 4K video, 120 Hz 1080p and 29 Mpixel stills, and the shots that did come out were excellent - absolutely loved the Samsung BSI sensor and camera processing. Also absolutely loved the fast f/2 zoom. But the quality of everything was terrible. It wasn't as if just one thing had issues - everything had some sort of a problem even the exchanged replacements. But the main issue was with loose lens mounting on every single body. In the multiple kits I tried they all had this problem and one was so bad it would clunk and actually move/rotate ~2 or 3mm (!) when simply turning the zoom. Another also made the clunk sound and produced an error message related to lens disconnect. A third kit did the same movement with no error but had a problem with the lens stabilizer not seen in the other two where 2 out 3 shots would be inexplicably blurred. Turning off the OS would fix it but I wouldn't live with that compromise. And one body had a huge cluster (>20) of stuck / hot red pixels right in the center at base ISO right out of the box. And of course there's no in-body pixel mapping.

Other issues included a command dial on one that would randomly not work - it was like the signal was missed when it was turned. Purchased a new, sealed 85mm only to open the box and see oil/liquid residue on the aperture blades and even FOD / black dot on the inside of the rear element. Also had the 50-150 which was a fantastic lens optically but would again fit loosely on the body and clunk whenever the zoom or focus rings were rotated. Even small issues would happen like the blue gasket lens seal constantly being pinched even when carefully mounting the lens - just a bad design there with tolerance being wrong in either the lens or the body mount.

Performance wise autofocus was often very poor when taking stills but very good for video. Rolling shutter was also pretty bad in 4K and disappointing, but actually quite good in 1080p. But the image quality was simply superb with great colors, tones, contrast, and was the reason I kept trying to stay with Samsung and the NX-1. Had the quality issues not happened then the only real critique I'd have was with the weight as the S lens and body are quite heavy mainly due to the big front optic and metal lens construction.

Anyway, the quality problems are real and if you search the net you'll find many examples from the 2015 timeframe in particular when the NX-1 was 'hot'. And YouTube has many examples of the issues. The lens issues (loose fit, bad stab) plagued most of the S lenses and NX-1 pretty hard. Some folks were fine with the issues; I wasn't especially with Nikon as my baseline. I never had anywhere near these problems with Nikon nor Canon, Fuji or Olympus.

It was quite disappointing to say the least. But must have been karma saving me future headaches with Samsung abandoning the line at the end of 2015. They surely were aware of the quality issues and it was likely one factor among many as to why they exited the business.

So IMO throwing any money into NX now is simply a waste of money no matter how tempting. I found the D500 turned out to be a far, far better solution with the only loss being in the video side (which was secondary to me compared to taking good stills). And I actually found the Nikon 16-80 lens to be much better than the S lens, and only miss the slightly faster f/2 versus f/2.8 speed.

Wow, do I ever disagree with this. You certainly did a hatchet job on Samsung, and unfortunately, swayed the OP. I own the Sony A7RII and A7R, the Pentax K1, and two Samsung NX1 cameras, plus other cameras. I have several NX lenses including the two S lenses - 16-50mm and 50-150mm. I do NOT have the problems this poster has had. I have encountered minor play with most lenses and mounts in all systems - including Sony. The NX1 is impressive, with great build, AF is excellent, and nearly all the lenses are SHARP (even the kit lenses are surprisingly good). I would say, go for the NX1. The prices won't fall much, and the NX system remains in great demand - and there are good reasons for this. Whenever I see negative posts like the one above, I always wonder how much of the issues are actually related to the "photographer" as opposed to the system.

caver3d

Hi,

What swayed me is that if I buy a Samsung NX1 camera and lenses from ebay (since Samsung does not sale them anymore), and if they have any issues, or develop some issues after some time, I cannot go back to Samsung and ask them to fix it, can I? With other company, I can. And as I said, this was something I wanted to acquire as it is a worthy APS-C camera, but the risk of spending over £1000 for body and lenses, and then not being able to get support if I need swayed me from buying it but his experience helped a lot, as although I may not suffer the same luck, something else could happen and I'll be stuck with a camera that I am not comfortable using anymore

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markyboy81 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,778
Re: Be aware of quality issues...

Manzur Fahim wrote:

caver3d wrote:

Kubicide wrote:

Just a heads-up to hopefully help your GAS: Samsung quality can be quite bad...

I, too, was struck with Samsung GAS in early 2015 and bought what ended up being multiple NX-1's before finally giving up. This was when the kit with S zoom lens, grip and stuff was on sale for ~$2100 which was a great price (Amazon). It was the near-perfect camera for me on paper with 4K video, 120 Hz 1080p and 29 Mpixel stills, and the shots that did come out were excellent - absolutely loved the Samsung BSI sensor and camera processing. Also absolutely loved the fast f/2 zoom. But the quality of everything was terrible. It wasn't as if just one thing had issues - everything had some sort of a problem even the exchanged replacements. But the main issue was with loose lens mounting on every single body. In the multiple kits I tried they all had this problem and one was so bad it would clunk and actually move/rotate ~2 or 3mm (!) when simply turning the zoom. Another also made the clunk sound and produced an error message related to lens disconnect. A third kit did the same movement with no error but had a problem with the lens stabilizer not seen in the other two where 2 out 3 shots would be inexplicably blurred. Turning off the OS would fix it but I wouldn't live with that compromise. And one body had a huge cluster (>20) of stuck / hot red pixels right in the center at base ISO right out of the box. And of course there's no in-body pixel mapping.

Other issues included a command dial on one that would randomly not work - it was like the signal was missed when it was turned. Purchased a new, sealed 85mm only to open the box and see oil/liquid residue on the aperture blades and even FOD / black dot on the inside of the rear element. Also had the 50-150 which was a fantastic lens optically but would again fit loosely on the body and clunk whenever the zoom or focus rings were rotated. Even small issues would happen like the blue gasket lens seal constantly being pinched even when carefully mounting the lens - just a bad design there with tolerance being wrong in either the lens or the body mount.

Performance wise autofocus was often very poor when taking stills but very good for video. Rolling shutter was also pretty bad in 4K and disappointing, but actually quite good in 1080p. But the image quality was simply superb with great colors, tones, contrast, and was the reason I kept trying to stay with Samsung and the NX-1. Had the quality issues not happened then the only real critique I'd have was with the weight as the S lens and body are quite heavy mainly due to the big front optic and metal lens construction.

Anyway, the quality problems are real and if you search the net you'll find many examples from the 2015 timeframe in particular when the NX-1 was 'hot'. And YouTube has many examples of the issues. The lens issues (loose fit, bad stab) plagued most of the S lenses and NX-1 pretty hard. Some folks were fine with the issues; I wasn't especially with Nikon as my baseline. I never had anywhere near these problems with Nikon nor Canon, Fuji or Olympus.

It was quite disappointing to say the least. But must have been karma saving me future headaches with Samsung abandoning the line at the end of 2015. They surely were aware of the quality issues and it was likely one factor among many as to why they exited the business.

So IMO throwing any money into NX now is simply a waste of money no matter how tempting. I found the D500 turned out to be a far, far better solution with the only loss being in the video side (which was secondary to me compared to taking good stills). And I actually found the Nikon 16-80 lens to be much better than the S lens, and only miss the slightly faster f/2 versus f/2.8 speed.

Wow, do I ever disagree with this. You certainly did a hatchet job on Samsung, and unfortunately, swayed the OP. I own the Sony A7RII and A7R, the Pentax K1, and two Samsung NX1 cameras, plus other cameras. I have several NX lenses including the two S lenses - 16-50mm and 50-150mm. I do NOT have the problems this poster has had. I have encountered minor play with most lenses and mounts in all systems - including Sony. The NX1 is impressive, with great build, AF is excellent, and nearly all the lenses are SHARP (even the kit lenses are surprisingly good). I would say, go for the NX1. The prices won't fall much, and the NX system remains in great demand - and there are good reasons for this. Whenever I see negative posts like the one above, I always wonder how much of the issues are actually related to the "photographer" as opposed to the system.

caver3d

Hi,

What swayed me is that if I buy a Samsung NX1 camera and lenses from ebay (since Samsung does not sale them anymore), and if they have any issues, or develop some issues after some time, I cannot go back to Samsung and ask them to fix it, can I? With other company, I can. And as I said, this was something I wanted to acquire as it is a worthy APS-C camera, but the risk of spending over £1000 for body and lenses, and then not being able to get support if I need swayed me from buying it but his experience helped a lot, as although I may not suffer the same luck, something else could happen and I'll be stuck with a camera that I am not comfortable using anymore

I see where you're coming from. However buying from ebay would give you 2 months 'warranty' where I'd hope that any issues if there are going to be issues would be apparent in that time.

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85mm was my favorite lens, a bit soft at f/1.4, and sharp enough at f/1.8. Focus ring is a joy. But I also had knob issues on my nx30, so I decided to sell it, and also 85mm.

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Kisaha Senior Member • Posts: 2,300
Re: Be aware of quality issues...

markyboy81 wrote:

Manzur Fahim wrote:

caver3d wrote:

Kubicide wrote:

Just a heads-up to hopefully help your GAS: Samsung quality can be quite bad...

I, too, was struck with Samsung GAS in early 2015 and bought what ended up being multiple NX-1's before finally giving up. This was when the kit with S zoom lens, grip and stuff was on sale for ~$2100 which was a great price (Amazon). It was the near-perfect camera for me on paper with 4K video, 120 Hz 1080p and 29 Mpixel stills, and the shots that did come out were excellent - absolutely loved the Samsung BSI sensor and camera processing. Also absolutely loved the fast f/2 zoom. But the quality of everything was terrible. It wasn't as if just one thing had issues - everything had some sort of a problem even the exchanged replacements. But the main issue was with loose lens mounting on every single body. In the multiple kits I tried they all had this problem and one was so bad it would clunk and actually move/rotate ~2 or 3mm (!) when simply turning the zoom. Another also made the clunk sound and produced an error message related to lens disconnect. A third kit did the same movement with no error but had a problem with the lens stabilizer not seen in the other two where 2 out 3 shots would be inexplicably blurred. Turning off the OS would fix it but I wouldn't live with that compromise. And one body had a huge cluster (>20) of stuck / hot red pixels right in the center at base ISO right out of the box. And of course there's no in-body pixel mapping.

Other issues included a command dial on one that would randomly not work - it was like the signal was missed when it was turned. Purchased a new, sealed 85mm only to open the box and see oil/liquid residue on the aperture blades and even FOD / black dot on the inside of the rear element. Also had the 50-150 which was a fantastic lens optically but would again fit loosely on the body and clunk whenever the zoom or focus rings were rotated. Even small issues would happen like the blue gasket lens seal constantly being pinched even when carefully mounting the lens - just a bad design there with tolerance being wrong in either the lens or the body mount.

Performance wise autofocus was often very poor when taking stills but very good for video. Rolling shutter was also pretty bad in 4K and disappointing, but actually quite good in 1080p. But the image quality was simply superb with great colors, tones, contrast, and was the reason I kept trying to stay with Samsung and the NX-1. Had the quality issues not happened then the only real critique I'd have was with the weight as the S lens and body are quite heavy mainly due to the big front optic and metal lens construction.

Anyway, the quality problems are real and if you search the net you'll find many examples from the 2015 timeframe in particular when the NX-1 was 'hot'. And YouTube has many examples of the issues. The lens issues (loose fit, bad stab) plagued most of the S lenses and NX-1 pretty hard. Some folks were fine with the issues; I wasn't especially with Nikon as my baseline. I never had anywhere near these problems with Nikon nor Canon, Fuji or Olympus.

It was quite disappointing to say the least. But must have been karma saving me future headaches with Samsung abandoning the line at the end of 2015. They surely were aware of the quality issues and it was likely one factor among many as to why they exited the business.

So IMO throwing any money into NX now is simply a waste of money no matter how tempting. I found the D500 turned out to be a far, far better solution with the only loss being in the video side (which was secondary to me compared to taking good stills). And I actually found the Nikon 16-80 lens to be much better than the S lens, and only miss the slightly faster f/2 versus f/2.8 speed.

Wow, do I ever disagree with this. You certainly did a hatchet job on Samsung, and unfortunately, swayed the OP. I own the Sony A7RII and A7R, the Pentax K1, and two Samsung NX1 cameras, plus other cameras. I have several NX lenses including the two S lenses - 16-50mm and 50-150mm. I do NOT have the problems this poster has had. I have encountered minor play with most lenses and mounts in all systems - including Sony. The NX1 is impressive, with great build, AF is excellent, and nearly all the lenses are SHARP (even the kit lenses are surprisingly good). I would say, go for the NX1. The prices won't fall much, and the NX system remains in great demand - and there are good reasons for this. Whenever I see negative posts like the one above, I always wonder how much of the issues are actually related to the "photographer" as opposed to the system.

caver3d

Hi,

What swayed me is that if I buy a Samsung NX1 camera and lenses from ebay (since Samsung does not sale them anymore), and if they have any issues, or develop some issues after some time, I cannot go back to Samsung and ask them to fix it, can I? With other company, I can. And as I said, this was something I wanted to acquire as it is a worthy APS-C camera, but the risk of spending over £1000 for body and lenses, and then not being able to get support if I need swayed me from buying it but his experience helped a lot, as although I may not suffer the same luck, something else could happen and I'll be stuck with a camera that I am not comfortable using anymore

I see where you're coming from. However buying from ebay would give you 2 months 'warranty' where I'd hope that any issues if there are going to be issues would be apparent in that time.

Samsung has abandoned the market in my country just after the NX300 release, and never refused any services, even when - I was over reacting about the AF performance of a PZ I bought through ebay- they didn't ask anything, just replaced the lens in 5 working days time (they even told me they had a small stock of lenses in my country back then, was a couple of years ago).

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