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List of parfocal zoom lenses for MFT

Started Mar 15, 2017 | Discussions
qcjulle Forum Member • Posts: 56
List of parfocal zoom lenses for MFT
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Since almost none of the reviews for MFT zoom lenses seem to indicate whether the lens is parfocal (focus point does not change while zooming) I would like to crowdsource a list of MFT zoom objectives which the users themselves have tested. For me parfocality is important because of the way I shoot video: Set the aperture to f/8, set the focus point to a fixed distance and constantly track the subject across the entire zoom range (motorsports on a closed track). This cannot be done with a varifocal lens as I have found out the hard way (I really wanted to keep the Panasonic 45-175).

Below are the findings from my own personal experience. I would appreciate if users who have their own personal experience would add to these lists. I don't know if the body has an effect, maybe Oly bodies with Oly lenses can sometimes autocompensate, but these tests were done using the E-M5 Mark II. The Panasonic 12-60 lenses would seem like great replacements for the 12-40 Pro due to the weight savings but if they are varifocal they are useless for me.

Parfocal (or close to it) MFT zoom lenses:

  • Olympus M.Zuiko 12-40/2.8 Pro
  • Olympus M.Zuiko 40-150/4-5.6R

Varifocal MFT zoom lenses:

  • Olympus M.Zuiko 14-150/4-5.6 II
  • Panasonic Lumix G X Vario 45-175 PZ
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Danielvr Veteran Member • Posts: 6,863
Good idea

Parfocal (or close to it) MFT zoom lenses:

  • Olympus M.Zuiko 12-40/2.8 Pro
  • Olympus M.Zuiko 40-150/4-5.6R

Some say that these are not actually parfocal but with some cameras, like the E-M5, their AF mechanism compensates for zoom movements to keep the subject in focus. If true, the parfocality may only work on some bodies and not on others. See https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/59090635

When you search this forum for 'parfocal' you'll find some interesting comments, for instance that the (easily adaptable Four Thirds lens) Oly Zuiko 14-35mm f/2 SHG is parfocal (or close to it, according to others).

Anyway, I hope you manage to compile a full list here!

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Paul De Bra
Paul De Bra Forum Pro • Posts: 12,949
The list is empty.
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The zoom lenses are not parfocal, not even close.

But if you AF (with AF-S) and then zoom the camera will keep changing the focus to keep the focus distance roughly the same.

If you AF and then switch to MF and start zooming you will see that the image goes way out of focus.

The biggest differences you will see is between camera-lens combinations that support this "software parfocal" system and those that don't.

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OP qcjulle Forum Member • Posts: 56
Re: The list is empty.

Paul De Bra wrote:

The biggest differences you will see is between camera-lens combinations that support this "software parfocal" system and those that don't.

That's what I was afraid of. Even the list of software assisted combos might still be useful if anyone has experience besides the two I listed. I wonder what cost-cutting decision led to the Oly 14-150 II not being on the list. It would have been a great all-rounder for me otherwise.

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dav
dav Contributing Member • Posts: 549
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I know it's NOT m4/3 but the 50-200swd definatley is, it maintains focus when zooming on EM1m2, m4/3 40-150pro def not on EM1m2

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Tom Axford Forum Pro • Posts: 10,100
Re: List of parfocal zoom lenses for MFT

qcjulle wrote:

Since almost none of the reviews for MFT zoom lenses seem to indicate whether the lens is parfocal (focus point does not change while zooming) I would like to crowdsource a list of MFT zoom objectives which the users themselves have tested.

That is one of the reasons why cine lenses are more expensive. Quite a lot are available for MFT, but they are not cheap.

http://www.four-thirds.org/en/microft/cine-sys.html

Gregm61 Forum Pro • Posts: 15,899
Re: List of parfocal zoom lenses for MFT
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I pretty much work under the assumption I need to refocus anytime I change the zoom setting on any of my lenses, Zuiko or Panasonic. The half-press of the release after adjusting the zoom setting these days is an automatic reflex action.

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Paul De Bra
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The advantage is faster af (because smaller correction needed).

When you focus and then change the zoom on the subject the software parfocal feature means the new af operation is a very small correction and therefore faster. It is not that refocus would no longer needed. (It is not 100% precise after all.)

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kolyy Senior Member • Posts: 1,599
Re: The list is empty.
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Paul De Bra wrote:

The zoom lenses are not parfocal, not even close.

But if you AF (with AF-S) and then zoom the camera will keep changing the focus to keep the focus distance roughly the same.

If you AF and then switch to MF and start zooming you will see that the image goes way out of focus.

Actually this is not true. At least on Panasonic bodies, the autofocus mechanism corrects for parfocality even in manual focus. To be clear, it does not use autofocus, just the autofocus motor.  In fact, when zooming on a stationary subject, it is very reasonable to switch off autofocus, as this can screw the parfocality correction.

Also, when testing parfocality, it is extremely important to set the focus when zoomed in. It is not possible to set focus precisely enough when zoomed out.

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hindesite Veteran Member • Posts: 4,893
Agree, the list is empty. Nada, zilch.

qcjulle wrote:

Paul De Bra wrote:

The biggest differences you will see is between camera-lens combinations that support this "software parfocal" system and those that don't.

That's what I was afraid of. Even the list of software assisted combos might still be useful if anyone has experience besides the two I listed. I wonder what cost-cutting decision led to the Oly 14-150 II not being on the list. It would have been a great all-rounder for me otherwise.

I'm pretty sure that ALL m4/3 zooms are "software assisted" and not optically parfocal, as Paul says. And why wouldn't they be?

At best, your list will only identify those lenses that have adequate software performance, which might depend on the body as well as the lens performance itself.

You can clearly identify those lenses that aren't parfocal in any sense, but impossible to 100% confirm those that are, for all combinations of lens and body.

It is cost-cutting, but for very good reason - a long zoom range modern parfocal, non focus breathing lens is going to be phenomenally expensive, as such cine lenses always are; for the m4/3 market such a feature is really unnecessary.

100-300 on G6, G7, is software parfocal if you zoom slowly, you see lag when you zoom fast. So is that going to be on your list, or not?

I don't see the lens re-acquiring focus; I think the camera and lens combination has information that allows the focus to be changed with focal length and at different focal distances to achieve software parfocal performance. Seems pretty complicated but software is usually cheaper than hardware every time.

Makes you realise just how involved developing a system mount is - communication protocols need to take things like this into account, even before any lenses or bodies are available. Kudos to those who do this stuff. They get few thanks for it.

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Re: List of parfocal zoom lenses for MFT

short list

none.

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Re: List of parfocal zoom lenses for MFT

75 300 oly

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Paul De Bra
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You are right! This also works on Oly.

When I switch my lens to MF (with the focus ring/clutch on the 12-40, probably on the others as well but I don't have them with me) on my E-M5 the noise of the AF adjustments while zooming is still there and the image remains more or less in focus. The same when you set MF on the camera instead of or in addition to on the lens.

To see that the lens is really not parfocal you need to zoom with the camera powered off it seems.

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n3eg
n3eg Veteran Member • Posts: 3,316
Re: List of parfocal zoom lenses for MFT

qcjulle wrote:

Since almost none of the reviews for MFT zoom lenses seem to indicate whether the lens is parfocal (focus point does not change while zooming) I would like to crowdsource a list of MFT zoom objectives which the users themselves have tested.

Now you've done it.  I have 6 lenses to test...maybe tomorrow.

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