Does anyone have an E-P5 and an OMD EM10 Mark II?

I bought an EM10 Mark II in a big Christmas sale, and have sold my E-P5. The E-P5 was a very good camera, but I eventually just got tired of the ugly external viewfinder, and the EM10 II looks so good and has a few extra features, so I was happy with the refresh and the warranty on a new camera.

Today I sat down to process my first lot of EM10 II photos from a January trip. And I'm not really impressed with the Jpgs (I shoot Raw + Jpg, and expect the Jpg's to be good enough for most cases, only going to the Raw for special photos or ones that need major work). The Jpgs seem to be low on contrast, and have a blueish cast. Their colours seem to also lack a bit of punch. I'm using all the same settings I've been using on my E-P5 for a good while, so I know them well.

Now I happen to remember someone mentioning in this forum a few weeks ago that they felt the EM10 II 's photos had a blueish cast, and from memory they were talked down for saying so, although I think it was more the way they said it. I can't find the thread now. Anyway, I would like to compare the exact same scene taken with an E-P5 and an EM10 II, to see if there is any difference when using the same settings, but of course I can't now that I've sold my E-P5.

I know that lighting conditions could have affected the photos, but they were taken over the course of a fortnight. And I just have the feeling that they aren't as good as the E-P5, even though I would expect both cameras to be pretty identical in terms of photo quality.

If anyone has these two cameras and doesn't mind doing a test, that would be appreciated and interesting to see the results. Outdoor/landscape would be the ideal subject, since that's what I was mostly shooting. My indoor photos didn't seem to display the same problem. I was using the Natural profile.

Thanks.

wolfychi wrote:

What white balance did you use? Maybe that is the culprit

I almost always use AWB, but I will check.

The sensor is the same, so the RAW output should be, too.

The jpeg engine might work a little differently. Differing settings for jpgs are also possible. If you've used your E-P5 with the standard settings you could do a factory reset on your E-M10II.

You could have a look at the two cameras in the studio scene comparison tool:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=oly_ep5&attr13_1=oly_em10ii&attr13_2=canon_eos5d&attr13_3=canon_eos5d&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=200&attr16_1=200&attr16_2=200&attr16_3=200&attr126_1=highres&attr171_1=off&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0.8165962503300767&y=-0.6269139700078927

yonsito wrote:

The sensor is the same, so the RAW output should be, too.

The jpeg engine might work a little differently. Differing settings for jpgs are also possible. If you've used your E-P5 with the standard settings you could do a factory reset on your E-M10II.

You could have a look at the two cameras in the studio scene comparison tool:

That's what I'm wondering, if the jpg engine has been tweaked by Olympus.

Note that I should have made it clearer that there is not a strong blue cast, as if WB was different. Just enough of a blue cast that when I correct the whites to proper white, and do a basic edit, and then compare the before and after photo, I say "Wow, that original had quite a lot of a blue tone to it, and was lacking in contrast, which I didn't realize at first." I don't recall thinking that with the EP5.

biggles266 wrote:

yonsito wrote:

The sensor is the same, so the RAW output should be, too.

The jpeg engine might work a little differently. Differing settings for jpgs are also possible. If you've used your E-P5 with the standard settings you could do a factory reset on your E-M10II.

You could have a look at the two cameras in the studio scene comparison tool:

That's what I'm wondering, if the jpg engine has been tweaked by Olympus.

Note that I should have made it clearer that there is not a strong blue cast, as if WB was different. Just enough of a blue cast that when I correct the whites to proper white, and do a basic edit, and then compare the before and after photo, I say "Wow, that original had quite a lot of a blue tone to it, and was lacking in contrast, which I didn't realize at first." I don't recall thinking that with the EP5.

I have the E-P5 and original E-M10.
These do have different versions of the Oly processor.
E-P5 - TruPic VI
E-M10 - TruPic VII, same as the mkII

Based on my casual non-scientific observations the jpgs are indistinguishable from each other when set to the same settings.
That's not to say that there might be some situation that causes a slight variation in color tone, but if it's there I haven't seen it.

I am curious what is at play here.
Please post your findings if you make a determination.