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Is Olympus 12mm f2.0 still a good buy?

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Sener
Sener Regular Member • Posts: 307
Is Olympus 12mm f2.0 still a good buy?

I'm thinking of returning to Olympus for street photography. I'll be getting an E-P5 (which surprisingly is still in stock) with a wide prime.

I could also get these;

- Panasonic 14mm pancake (my first fav, but sells for more than it deserves in the 2nd hand market)

- Oly 17mm 1.8 (i want wider than this)

- PL 15mm 1.7 (or its "DJI" variant) (the DJI variant sells for a rather good price)

The PL 12mm f1.4 is a no-go due to its price and size+weight.

During my m43 days I always wanted to use this 12mm, but could not because it commanded a very premium price back then. Now its prices seem to have cooled off a little, and I've found a black one for a good-ish price. But I'm not sure what's driving me is normal or just GAS The lens also seems to have fallen off the popularity radar (or it never made it there due to its premium price anyway)

Are there folks here still using the 12mm and what is general opinion on this lens?

Thanks in advance.

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Stejo
Stejo Senior Member • Posts: 1,461
Re: Is Olympus 12mm f2.0 still a good buy?
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It's a great lens if you want a tiny 12mm f/2 with AF.

Not so great if you don't need f/2 -> plenty of f/3.5 kit zooms with great quality

Not so great if you don't need AF -> Samyang 12 f/2 for half the price, bit bulkier tho

Other than that, I believe most people wouldn't be very comfortable shooting that wide for street photography. 15 is the widest I'd go personally. The oly 17 f/1.8 (or 2.8 if it's for daylight shooting) would be my pick.

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jalywol
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The Oly 12mm f2 is still one of my most favorite M43 lenses.  It just has something special about its rendering.

Even though I have a Panasonic12-35 f2.8, and a kit 12-32mm, I still really missed the 12mm prime (I'd had one but sold it when I did a system switch a few years ago), so I finally bought one when they had them on sale for $599 recently.  It's just as special as I remembered it.  So, I would recommend it.

The one caveat is that it may be a bit wide for non-architectural street shooting. You may want to consider the 15mm, which is supposed to also be terrific, as an alternative, in that case.

-J

shibbs
shibbs Regular Member • Posts: 331
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I have both the Olympus 12mm f2 and the Panasonic 12mm f1.4. The Olympus is just as good as the Panasonic at f2 but then the Panasonic at f1.4 is just 😚😚😚😚. The only reason I brought the Panasonic was to do milkyway shots later this year. I would never sell my Olympus 12mm.

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pdk42
pdk42 Senior Member • Posts: 1,299
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I had one and sold it since I had 12mm covered with two zooms - the 7-14 f4 and the 12-35 f2.8, But I missed it a lot and bought another. It a tad sharper than the zooms, goes to f2, is small and light and just delivers very nice images. With the clutch focussing it's great for street photography too.  It handles beautifully on the Pens too.

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Jorginho Forum Pro • Posts: 15,370
Here it is 639 vs 1399 euro (12 mm f1.4).
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So  think it is a viable choice, stopped down at f2.8 or so it is as sharp as the 12 mm f1.4 so that is not too bad.

Having said that, since I already have pretty good 12 mm f2.8 on my 12-35 mm I'd prefer a wider lens at that speed. The Laowa f2.0 7,5 mm rectaineair may just be what I want depending on the price.

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DP13Photo Veteran Member • Posts: 6,307
Re: Is Olympus 12mm f2.0 still a good buy?

It's one of my most used lenses for indoor shots.

That said I will probably eventually replace it with Lumix 12/1.4 and I don't like that it is silver. Black was not available when I bought it.

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jonnieb
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Great little jewel of a lens. Lovey rendering, whatever that is.....:-)

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SpinOne Veteran Member • Posts: 4,059
Re: Is Olympus 12mm f2.0 still a good buy?

I have the 12-40, 17, and 12mm. The 12mm prime is probably my most used lens.

That said, you should start with the focal length you prefer, and work from there.

That said 12mm might be a little wide for traditional street photography, unless you are copying William Klein. The 15mm might be more appropriate.

Astrotripper Veteran Member • Posts: 8,676
The uniqueness of Oly 12mm

If you want a 12mm lens, the one from Olympus is the smallest one (and probably the most stylish looking). And I would say this is its most appealing trait compared to all other 12mm options. For street kind of shooting and with a body like one of PENs, this should be a very fitting combo.

The 15mm Leica is a very nice lens as well. Unlike Oly 12mm, I actually own this one and enjoy shooting with it (although it gets the back seat to the 20mm Panasonic). The bummer is that its aperture ring will not function with an Olympus camera.

So yeah, Olympus 12mm is still a good buy if it is what you are looking for.

There were some complaints about image quality, though. If I remember correctly, there was a lot of talk about serious sample variation. So if you do get it, test for signs of de-centering and such. Well, you should be doing that anyway with any lens, it is no different in this case.

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Skeeterbytes Forum Pro • Posts: 23,186
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Even as the 12-40 significantly reduced my use of the 12/2 I can't seem to part with it. Size is an obvious continuing benefit (it's the lens I most use on the GM5) and sometimes the extra stop is critical.

I probably wouldn't get one at the price I paid had I owned the 12-40 first, but when the occasional refurb sale comes along it's absolutely worth adding to ones kit. Gem of a lens.

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JeanPierre Martel Veteran Member • Posts: 3,304
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Sener wrote:

I'm thinking of returning to Olympus for street photography. (...)

Are there folks here still using the 12mm and what is general opinion on this lens?

When I’ve bought the M.Zuiko 12-40mm, my plan was to sell the M.Zuiko 12mm F/2,0 to finance that purchasing.

But things didn’t go as expected.

For some very special tasks, the M.Zuiko 12mm F/2,0 is invaluable.

When I must hold my camera for long periods of time (to shoot long video clips ), that prime is a lot lighter than the M.Zuiko 12-40mm.

Moreover, the M.Zuiko + my OM-D make a small and discreet combo for street photography:
http://jpmartel.quebec/2012/10/31/voyage-a-la-havane-deuxieme-jour/ (skip the French text)

Like many other lenses in my lens collection, the M.Zuiko 12mm F/2,0 transforms my camera into a very specialized tool needed to realize specific tasks.

I don't use it very often but it's like an old friend: I'm always happy to return to it when I need it to help me to do tasks it's good at.

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MatLD Regular Member • Posts: 491
It never was...

The 12 f2 was never a good buy for the average joe. Prices have gone down but the competition has increased as well.

It is still a very good lens and I wouldn't call it overpriced, especially now, but it is not a "good deal" either.

So if you are looking for such a lens (f2 prime, manual clutch focus, small, good construction) go for it: you probably won't regret it.

If you aren't sure, consider that for less money you can get the 12-32 (f3.5) zoom or even the 9-18. For a little more money you could get the 7-14, 12-40, 12-35 or even 12-100. Other alternatives are the manual lenses and of course the 12 f1.4.

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MatLD wrote:

If you aren't sure, consider that for less money you can get the 12-32 (f3.5) zoom or even the 9-18.

12-32 is a little more versatile, is tiny, and cheap. However, build quality is not great, it has no MF ring, and (if it matters) doesn't perform as well.

9-18 is more versatile and light, but isn't robustly built, and isn't particularly cheap. Performance is OK, but again not as good as the Oly 12.

For a little more money you could get the 7-14, 12-40, 12-35 or even 12-100.

Even as someone who does not believe in being sneaky, I don't think any of those are optimal for street photography (the OP's stated use). Too big, too heavy.

Other alternatives are the manual lenses and of course the 12 f1.4.

Panasonic 12mm is phenomenally expensive. Not ideal for street photography (too heavy).

Manual lenses, you might get away with them, as you can set the aperture to f/8 and try to hyperfocus. But most of them are a tad heavy and large, as they are made for APS.

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Nice, compact lens.  V.G. image quality.  I shot this in a camera store when I handled the E-M1II.

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Sener wrote:

I'm thinking of returning to Olympus for street photography. I'll be getting an E-P5 (which surprisingly is still in stock) with a wide prime.

I could also get these;

- Panasonic 14mm pancake (my first fav, but sells for more than it deserves in the 2nd hand market)

- Oly 17mm 1.8 (i want wider than this)

- PL 15mm 1.7 (or its "DJI" variant) (the DJI variant sells for a rather good price)

The PL 12mm f1.4 is a no-go due to its price and size+weight.

During my m43 days I always wanted to use this 12mm, but could not because it commanded a very premium price back then. Now its prices seem to have cooled off a little, and I've found a black one for a good-ish price. But I'm not sure what's driving me is normal or just GAS The lens also seems to have fallen off the popularity radar (or it never made it there due to its premium price anyway)

Are there folks here still using the 12mm and what is general opinion on this lens?

Thanks in advance.

Here are some pics with the 12/2. I enjoy using it in restaurants where light is often challenging. It's been a great lens for many years. I find the 12-40/2.8 a little heavy, big, and not as discreet as the 12/2 in these situations.

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Daiken Regular Member • Posts: 483
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I would say no. The main issue with the 12 f2 is that it's just not that sharp. Especially at f2, unless you're lucky enough to get a good copy. From what I've seen the pro zooms perform better. So really all you're getting is a small lens, which is a lot to pay for when you could get the 12-40 for not much more. I do have the 12 and still use it though because I don't have a 12-40 but I wouldn't buy it if I had to make the choice today.

jalywol
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Daiken wrote:

I would say no. The main issue with the 12 f2 is that it's just not that sharp. Especially at f2, unless you're lucky enough to get a good copy. From what I've seen the pro zooms perform better. So really all you're getting is a small lens, which is a lot to pay for when you could get the 12-40 for not much more. I do have the 12 and still use it though because I don't have a 12-40 but I wouldn't buy it if I had to make the choice today.

If you get a good copy, the 12mm f2 is very sharp. If you don't, it's not.

My first copy, years ago was great. The first one I bought to replace it this time around was awful. Soft, mushy...I returned it. I was able to get a good one again, though, which is also sharp. I'd suggest you send your copy in to Oly for repair.

-J

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Excellent little lens - some comments though
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I have my 12mm f/2 ever since it was first introduced in 2011. It's a fine little lens, especially on a Pen. It is the lens I have attached by default, although my PL 25mm f/1.4 gets a lot of use.

Image quality is excellent for my purposes. I detect no softness, and f/2 is very usable. Optimum sharpness on my copy is f/3.2-f/5.6. I can detect no real difference at those f-stops. I normally shoot at f/4 if I have no other requirements.

In my early tests, I perceived that that when the camera is in AF mode and you merely engage the AF clutch, manual focusing is NOT continuous; it is stepped. The steps are very close, but stepped nonetheless. It makes more of a difference when trying very close focus. If you put the camera into MF mode, the manual focusing seems continuous without the steps. YMMV with newer bodies, so I recommend you do your own testing if that might be an issue for you.

I love the silver body Pen and the silver 12mm with lens hood.

Pen F and 12mm f/2.

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