What is the current equivalent to the G15 in it's day?

What is the current equivalent to the G15 in it's day?  I loved my G12, love my G15, and my second g15 when the first broke.  There's no G19 or whatever they would be up to now...and I'm wondering what you think would be the new next step?

Well, they added the DIGIC VI processor and named it the G16.  The G16 has faster AF and some other features; but the IQ is a step back from the G15.

Probably, the closest thing to a follow on model would be the G7X ii; but it lacks an eye level finder and only goes to 100 mm.

Personally, the G15 does things for me that nothing else does, so it stays around as my "local event" camera for school plays and concerts with my grand kids, the river in flood, and some other local events that require a fast lens, and/or compactness.  Except for the very coldest weather, it stays in my car 24/7.

Mine has a Lensmate filter adapter, and I also use it with a 270EX flash.  I've had it for 5 years; which might be a record for me.  No, I take that back.  My S90 has been around since 2009.

I used to take the G15 on travel; but I recently bought a Sony RX100 and HX80 for light travel.

I would say G7x 2 or G5x, depending on how much you value VF, hot shoe, and handling.

GeraldW wrote:

the G7X ii; but it [...] only goes to 100 mm.

No. The G7/5x goes to 130mm at the G15 sensor definition (12Mpixel) while still maintaining a larger light sensitive area (1/1.3" vs 1/1.7").

Check the Canons out here in the timeline

https://www.dpreview.com/products/canon/cameras?subcategoryId=cameras

I would say the G16 with the smaller sensor size and lens combination however that was back in 2013! The G series have moved on to larger sensors since then with the current 2017 G9X mark II and the 2016 G7X mark II. However these are small in the hand a bit like the old S series. The larger G5X in the hand from 2015 is a good bet for size, but this is down to your personal preference! 😎

According to DPR, the G7X and G5X do in fact go to 100mm! See link above!

Geodude wrote:

According to DPR, the G7X and G5X do in fact go to 100mm! See link above!

100mm is just the min FoV where you have the full sensor 20Mpixel definition and 1" active diagonal.

In fact, as you can see written on the lens, optically the G15 goes to 30,5mm and the G7/5x goes to 36,8mm. Then, it is just the 4.59x crop factor due to the 1/1.7" sensor size that make the 30,5mm G15 lens having the FoV of a 140mm lens. Apply the same logic to the G7/5x with a 3.53x crop factor and you obtain a 130mm like FoV, with still 12Mpixel remaining and a larger 1/1.3" active sensor size than the G15.

So, because the G7/5x sensor is larger and has more definition, the difference in reach between those two cameras should be minimal.

BTW, you can have the exact same reasoning with the G9x, which can reach 110mm like FoV at the S120 sensor resolution

Greynerd wrote:

0lf wrote:

Geodude wrote:

According to DPR, the G7X and G5X do in fact go to 100mm! See link above!

100mm is just the min FoV where you have the full sensor 20Mpixel definition and 1" active diagonal.

In fact, as you can see written on the lens, optically the G15 goes to 30,5mm and the G7/5x goes to 36,8mm. Then, it is just the 4.59x crop factor due to the 1/1.7" sensor size that make the 30,5mm G15 lens having the FoV of a 140mm lens. Apply the same logic to the G7/5x with a 3.53x crop factor and you obtain a 130mm like FoV, with still 12Mpixel remaining and a larger 1/1.3" active sensor size than the G15.

So, because the G7/5x sensor is larger and has more definition, the difference in reach between those two cameras should be minimal.

BTW, you can have the exact same reasoning with the G9x, which can reach 110mm like FoV at the S120 sensor resolution

But the 1" sensor lens has a much larger aperture (I mean aperture not f number) which is pushing the optics in such a small collapsing lens so you have to consider how the lens is resolving things. I would not necessarily assume the 1" cameras crop down to the same detail as the 1/1.7" ones.

The difference in aperture is not that large :

• 30.5/2.8 = 10.89mm for the G15
• 36.8/2.8 = 13.14mm for the G7/5x (21% more)

Plus, pixels are larger on the 1" sensor (~30% in size), so the lens does not need to have as much resolving power as with the 1/1.7" to output a picture with the same level of detail.

Plus, by cropping you only use the central portion of the projected image, where resolving power is max

Plus, resolving power of the G7/5x lens is very good at 36,8mm when stopped down a bit (at least on my two samples of the lens)

0lf wrote:

Greynerd wrote:

0lf wrote:

Geodude wrote:

According to DPR, the G7X and G5X do in fact go to 100mm! See link above!

100mm is just the min FoV where you have the full sensor 20Mpixel definition and 1" active diagonal.

In fact, as you can see written on the lens, optically the G15 goes to 30,5mm and the G7/5x goes to 36,8mm. Then, it is just the 4.59x crop factor due to the 1/1.7" sensor size that make the 30,5mm G15 lens having the FoV of a 140mm lens. Apply the same logic to the G7/5x with a 3.53x crop factor and you obtain a 130mm like FoV, with still 12Mpixel remaining and a larger 1/1.3" active sensor size than the G15.

So, because the G7/5x sensor is larger and has more definition, the difference in reach between those two cameras should be minimal.

BTW, you can have the exact same reasoning with the G9x, which can reach 110mm like FoV at the S120 sensor resolution

But the 1" sensor lens has a much larger aperture (I mean aperture not f number) which is pushing the optics in such a small collapsing lens so you have to consider how the lens is resolving things. I would not necessarily assume the 1" cameras crop down to the same detail as the 1/1.7" ones.

The difference in aperture is not that large :

• 30.5/2.8 = 10.89mm for the G15
• 36.8/2.8 = 13.14mm for the G7/5x (21% more)

Plus, pixels are larger on the 1" sensor (~30% in size), so the lens does not need to have as much resolving power as with the 1/1.7" to output a picture with the same level of detail.

Plus, by cropping you only use the central portion of the projected image, where resolving power is max

Plus, resolving power of the G7/5x lens is very good at 36,8mm when stopped down a bit (at least on my two samples of the lens)

Thanks for the detailed explanation 😎

Here it is a 130mm like FoV, 12Mpixel crop from L jpeg, standard picture style with 3 2 4 sharpening.

The question is : is it lens limited or sensor limited ?

Edit : seing the file on screen at 140ppi (<=> larger than A2 print !), pixel peeper may find the sharpening a bit light, and prefer a setting like 4 1 3.

I think it is the G7X Mark II.

I got my G15, my first P&S camera, 4 years ago for a trip to the Swiss Alps and Lake Como. In my view, it's the Goldilocks of cameras--not too big and not too small. I wanted a compact camera, but anything smaller would disappear in my beefy hands. Six months later, the G16 came out with Wi-Fi and a new processor. I kept waiting for the G17.

When I finally realized the G17 was never coming, I turned my attention to the 1" sensor GX's and found the G7X Mark II, IMO a G15 with the top chopped off (to remove the viewfinder and hot shoe, 2 things I never used). It's the same length and thickness--give or take a mm here or there--but a full 15 mm shorter.  The other differences are all major upgrades--larger sensor, new processor, tilting screen, Wi-Fi, in-camera charging, and the best new feature of all--a touch screen that makes using the camera so much easier and more enjoyable. When traveling, I'm now down to the camera in it's case and a spare battery. No more wires to download pictures to my cellphone. No more charger (I use my cellphone charger.)

I think the tilting screen will help compensate for the missing viewfinder. When sun glare is a problem, simply drop the camera to waist level and extend the screen out 90 degrees, blocking the sun with your body. As for the missing hot shoe, I never liked taking flash pictures. Both cameras are great in low light. And with no hot shoe, an external flash is one more accessory I never have to lug around.

The jury is still out as to whether I'll get used to the slightly shorter form. There's less grip to hold onto. The proof will come when it gets its first field test in May---the Grand Circle Tour of the national parks in Northern Arizona and Southern Utah.

I've loved my G15, but I think I'll love the G7X II even more.

I bow to your superior wisdom. From my viewpoint, I never used the hot shoe or viewfinder, so I don't miss them on the G7X II. But if you liked and used those features on the G15, the G5X is closer to the G15.

if you find the G7x2 too small, especially in height, you can still buy a half case

I went the opposite way and am using my old DSC 5100 that fits the G15 like a glove. I just put some foam strips in the bottom so there's no air gap at the top.😁

Although I'm trying to find anyone who's had hands-on experience with the DCC 1880

chj001 wrote:

I went the opposite way and am using my old DSC 5100 that fits the G15 like a glove. I just put some foam strips in the bottom so there's no air gap at the top.😁

I was under the impression that you have trouble with the handling.