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Upgraded from the mark I, here's what I found..

Started Jan 9, 2017 | User reviews
gearfreak Forum Member • Posts: 86
Upgraded from the mark I, here's what I found..
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I have the G7X (mark I) and decided to buy the mark II.

Here's what I don't read/hear often about the G7X mark II (compared to the mark I):

Soft shutter. Compared to the mark I, the mark II has a quite significantly softer shutter button. Focusing only needs the tiniest bit of pressure without any clicking sensation, while taking a shot still has a clicking sensation (though still softer).

Softer control ring clicks. Aside from having the option between a clicked or clickless control ring, even the clicked ring is still softer compared to the mark I. It's a click click click and no longer a clack clack clack, if that makes sense.

More recessed buttons. I'm not sure I like it. I find it harder to click the buttons now, and I definitely like the way they are in the mark I. They're also softer (which I do like).

Thicker body. It's still not huge by any means, but the thicker body was still surprising to me. It's also heavier.

Better grip. Not only does it have a grip, the grip is made of soft rubber with good traction. I can see this being the first part of the camera to show wear and tear, though, it's rubber after all. The shape of the grip doesn't really help with the way I grip my camera, I feel it's too far to the side. I prefer the OG EOS M's grip, which is a bit to the center.

ND filter now automatic. The mark I has a built-in ND filter, but we have to turn it on manually. The mark II has that option, too, but it also has an Auto option: the ND filter kicks in when the scene is too bright for the chosen settings. That said, I prefer to turn this off and opt for a safety shift instead (the camera changes the settings automatically, e.g. closing the aperture, if it's too bright). The reason? I don't know if the ND filter decreases the image quality. Pretentious, but there it is.

Full-fledged picture styles. Gone are the color profiles (or whatever silly name Canon was naming their profiles back in the mark I). We now have actual pictures styles, with the ability to finetune the threshold and amount of sharpening (which I've never seen before in a Canon camera) aside from the usual contrast, saturation, and color shift. We can now shoot RAW in B&W. (Which we couldn't in the mark I, RAWs are always shot in color.)

Could've sworn the contrast is better in this camera (I use the Neutral picture style, customised), while I find it hard to get a good contrast in the mark I. (Too low and there's not enough contrast in the midtones, too high and I'm losing too much dynamic range.)

Camera freezes while dumping buffer. This is the biggest letdown for me so far. I don't know how it goes in the Sony land (or Panasonic), but in other cameras I own (mostly DSLRs) the camera is still usable while saving the shots to the card. By "freezing" I mean you can't even zoom the lens! You can, however, take more shots. Clicking the 'Play' button meanwhile means your camera just freezes while it's struggling to display the shots, and you can't do anything, even shooting. If you don't shoot RAW in high-burst this shouldn't be an issue, though. The camera is generally snappy and fast.

There's an AE-L button on screen. I don't know whether I missed this on my old mark I but I could've sworn it didn't have an AE-L button on screen. (They both don't have physical AE-L button, though.)

The mode dial is harder to turn. I totally understand why they did this (my mark I changed modes in my bag far too often), but I must admit this is disappointing. I can't turn the mode dial while composing the shot, for example. It's just too hard and I can no longer flick it with my thumb. The ex.comp dial changes directions, which is annoying after a year of using my G7X. I must admit it was confusing at first, but now it's gotten intuitive, and I have to re-learn the dial on the mark II. No big deal though, just a matter of habit. I suspect the ex.comp dial is now harder to turn, too, but it doesn't present a problem for me (still easy to turn) so meh.

Remote shooting is noisier, with the camera beeping in every autofocus and emitting a loud shutter sound in every capture (so you have a beep-schrack every time you take a picture). I don't know why Canon insists on this (aside from regional regulations, maybe).

Harder to change AF type. On my mark I the "Ring Func" button was assigned to switch between face-detection and single-point AF, and I could switch between them with just a press of the button. Now on the mark II we need to press the button first, which only brings up a dialog to choose between face-detect and single-point. I can't say this is a smart decision. Do you need a "Are you sure?" dialog box, too, Canon? Maybe get me to fill a Captcha too just in case I pressed the button accidentally?

Could've sworn the Eco mode now turns off the camera faster which might explain the increased CIPA-based battery life. Haven't A/B tested with the mark I though so I'm not 100% on this. Changing the camera's orientation still wakes the camera up, though, which I don't understand.

VERDICT: a worthy upgrade if you're looking for a speed upgrade when shooting RAW. If you don't shoot RAW (and don't want to), I don't see much reason to upgrade from the mark I to the mark II.

4 stars, for what it is, it does the job pretty well.

Canon PowerShot G7 X Mark II
20 megapixels • 3 screen • 24 – 100 mm (4.2×)
Announced: Feb 18, 2016
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Action / sports
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great
Portraits
good
Low light (without flash)
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0lf
0lf Senior Member • Posts: 1,283
Re: Upgraded from the mark I, here's what I found..

Thanks for the feedback.

On the mark1, there is no AEL on screen button. AEL is done by pressing the [ring func] button while the shutter is half pressed. It still work on mark2.

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Pierre67 Forum Member • Posts: 85
Re: Upgraded from the mark I, here's what I found..

Interesting list, Gearfreak. I'd like to add some :

Behavior with third-party batteries : with the Mark II, you have to answer a couple question that pop-up when you turn the camera on again. The original G7X wasn't xenobatteryphobic.

No QUICK option for image reviewing : I find this a bit annoying.

The option menu style is different : à la G3X for example.

There is also a "quick setting" (Q) button on screen now. (like the G3X)

IS seems more powerful.

The G7X Mark II takes slightly more time to boot up.

And of course the two ways tiltable back screen : it's secured by 2 little clips now, no more by only a "magnet" system (or was it something else?).

Did you compare corner softness at wide and center sharpness between the two models ? (I made a thread about it)

OP gearfreak Forum Member • Posts: 86
Re: Upgraded from the mark I, here's what I found..

Hi Pierre,

Thanks for chiming in! I haven't compared the two cameras' lenses, but now I intend to do so. Gotta wait until the next weekend though!

OP gearfreak Forum Member • Posts: 86
Re: Upgraded from the mark I, here's what I found..

BTW, I seem to remember the G7x having an extremely distorted lens, which means the JPEG engine must fix the distortion by software. Since the two cameras have different processors, this might (or might not) be the culprit.

If you're interested, you can try shooting in raw with both cameras, and see how it turns out in Lightroom.. With the same RAW converter (by Adobe) we can find out whether it's indeed the processor that's the culprit.

Sorry I can't help and just add things to your plate, heheh.

Pierre67 Forum Member • Posts: 85
Re: Upgraded from the mark I, here's what I found..
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Hi Gearfreak, I fear I'm not that camera-savvy. I only do ye olde JPG thing.

btw, I didn't realize that there is no battery gauge with non Canon batteries on the G7X Mark II. That's a bit gross. The G3X (or the G16) doesn't do this either. So the camera will just shut down eventually when the battery is empty?

Since CHDK doesn't work with recent Canon compacts, you can't use its precise gauge either. (the last working are S110, G15 and G1X I think, due to the digic version?)

There is also the "satin" finish (the subtle texture finish) on the Mark I, which is gone, even on the zones without rubber.

The Mark II AF is faster, especially in low light. In daylight, I was never worried by the Mark I's AF speed, though.

Yes, if you can, please shoot, compare and post images at wide angle.

G-D Contributing Member • Posts: 711
Re: Upgraded from the mark I, here's what I found..

Pierre67 wrote:

Hi Gearfreak, I fear I'm not that camera-savvy. I only do ye olde JPG thing.

btw, I didn't realize that there is no battery gauge with non Canon batteries on the G7X Mark II. That's a bit gross.

Indeed and then Canon will gladly charge you a ridiculous price for their NB-13L battery (69 € currently). Not buying that.

If Canon acts that way, I can be stubborn too.

larry Contributing Member • Posts: 889
Re: Upgraded from the mark I, here's what I found..

gearfreak wrote:

BTW, I seem to remember the G7x having an extremely distorted lens, which means the JPEG engine must fix the distortion by software. Since the two cameras have different processors, this might (or might not) be the culprit.

The lens isn't 'distorted', implying it's not designed correctly.  The lens is extremely wide-angle.  The result is typical even with full-frame cameras.

OP gearfreak Forum Member • Posts: 86
Re: Upgraded from the mark I, here's what I found..
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Extremely wide angle is one thing, the G7x's lens has barrel distortion that's so severe, the actual image circle doesn't cover the entire sensor! They have to de-barrel the image and get it to cover the entire sensor.

This is apparent if you use a raw converter that ignores the 'instructions' baked into the raw file, which means the converter won't de-barrel the image as instructed.

lorenzo Regular Member • Posts: 319
Re: Upgraded from the mark I, here's what I found..

Thanks for the run down on the G7X mark ii.

I was testing the camera at the store today and have to agree 100% with this:

”The mode dial is harder to turn.”

I'm used to dials that have a bit of stiffness, but that turn readily with a touch of the thumb. This seemed to require TWO fingers, ie., thumb and forefinger.

At first, it was enough to make me question whether I really wanted to buy it or not, notwithstanding all its great features. But I came back to it after a few minutes and realized that adjusting to it wouldn't be that difficult.

Extra Dial

However, I did find that having the additional dial underneath it for exposure compensation was a bit of a distraction — I’m used to spinning a ring dial on the back of my current camera for that.

Size

But the thing that really surprised me was how small the camera was!

In fact, I just checked Canon's website to see whether the store had put the wrong camera out — that maybe it was the smaller, more compact G9X. But, no, that does not have the exposure dial, so it definitely was the G7X ii.

Final Note

A number of camera reviewers at leading sites described several features that they felt made the G7X Mark ii a marked improvement over the G7X.  (Pardon the pun!)

Given the judgment here that the differences aren't that great is going to send me back to the reviews to check on just what they said!

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