Sigma confirms: no support for Canon mirrorless

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Scooterch New Member • Posts: 8
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I purchased a Canon M5 and a Canon M3 for Christmas, and have been trying them out.

The M3 was a gift for my daughter, as a travel-friendly alternative to her 6D. She also got the 22mm f/2 M-series lens and a generic (Meike) mount adapter. My wife received the M5 body as an upgrade to the EOS 400D (inherited from our daughter some years ago). The M5 was the body-only "starter pack" that comes with the Canon EF/EF-S to EF-M mount adapter (without the tripod extension, frustratingly).

This offered a good range of options to test the lenses we had on hand. We quickly found a problem with the Sigma 18-250mm f/3.5-6.3 DC MACRO OS HSM. This is a handy 'travel' lens and thus seemed ideally suited to the mirrorless body, even with the added bulk of the adapter.

In brief, the Sigma 18-250mm works on both bodies, but there are problems when powering off. Neither body switches off fully for one minute. It seems that the lens is holding onto the sensor for a full 60 seconds after the switch is turned off. There is a distinct click after 60 seconds - perhaps releasing the sensor (just guessing). The M3 screen goes blank but is not off. Opening the battery cover will turn it off completely. The M5 seems to power down but cannot be turned on again immediately. Removing the battery will re-set things.

I tried this with various combinations of lenses, adapters, SD cards and batteries (I also purchased a couple of generic cells that work well, though neither the M3 nor the M5 will display the remaining charge, as expected). I also tested an older Sigma 17-70 f/2.8-4.5, which does not seem to have any issues.

I wrote to Sigma in Switzerland, where I am based, and they contacted Sigma Japan. Their response: "A Happy New Year. As you may know our lenses are optimized to DSLR cameras. So there may be incompatibility issue when it attached to Canon M series cameras. In other words, our products to not support Canon mirror less cameras." (my emphasis). Canon's Swiss rep. added, "We are sorry we could not give you any better news."

Perhaps I was naive to expect anything different. However it does seem short-sighted from Sigma. They promote the 18-250mm as a travel-friendly compact zoom, and I would not be alone in expecting it to be a useful pairing with the smaller mirrorless bodies. Buyers be warned.

This is my wife's favourite lens, as she likes to shoot birds as well as bugs and flowers. It is disappointing that it is no longer reliable. The M5 is a nice upgrade to the 400D of course, and it is too late to return my purchase to Canon (which is not at fault).

In the hunt for the ideal super zoom, I will take a closer look at the Canon EF-M 55-200mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM, though it lacks the range and macro facility of the Sigma. I had considered the Tamron 18-270mm F/3,5-6,3 Di II VC PZD, when buying the Sigma three years ago. I would welcome suggestions on good alternatives!

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I´d highly recommend you 55-250mm IS STM. Can be found for peanuts, and is awesome and very sharp.

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crashpc wrote:

I´d highly recommend you 55-250mm IS STM. Can be found for peanuts, and is awesome and very sharp.

+1 to Crash's suggestion (unless she wants to go as small as possible).  Great lens, though she'll need to pair it with another for the wider stuff.

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Lawrencew Veteran Member • Posts: 4,861
case by case basis

Scooterch wrote:

I wrote to Sigma in Switzerland, where I am based, and they contacted Sigma Japan. Their response: "A Happy New Year. As you may know our lenses are optimized to DSLR cameras. So there may be incompatibility issue when it attached to Canon M series cameras. In other words, our products to not support Canon mirror less cameras." (my emphasis). Canon's Swiss rep. added, "We are sorry we could not give you any better news."

Perhaps I was naive to expect anything different. However it does seem short-sighted from Sigma. They promote the 18-250mm as a travel-friendly compact zoom, and I would not be alone in expecting it to be a useful pairing with the smaller mirrorless bodies. Buyers be warned.

I think it is probably a case by case basis.

My Sigma 150-600m and 105mm macro work flawlessly on my M5

What we might find - and perhaps what Sigma Japan is saying - is that if a Sigma lens has issues on an M, then they are not going to fix it specifically for the M.  As long as it works OK on a Canon DSLR, then Sigma's support with go no further.

Sigma may well take the approach of saying if their lens works fine on say the 80D, then its not Sigma's problem if it doesnt work on a M5 - It's Canon who introduced some incompability....

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So does Tamron...

I have tried to use the Tamron 16-300mm on mu M bodies (M2, M10 & M3) with the original Canon adpater, the AF does not work, so it's half-useless (shooting with manual focul at 300mm is rather challenging..;-))

So I contacted their Customer Support in France where I live and the answer was more or less similar: they only guarantee EF-S mount compatibility, every other use is at your own risk.

They kindly invited me to buy their EF-M lens...

I have always liked Tamron lenses, especially their travel zooms, but I guess this is my last third party lens ever.

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True, but sooner or later it will become Sigma's problem.

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R2D2 wrote:

crashpc wrote:

I´d highly recommend you 55-250mm IS STM. Can be found for peanuts, and is awesome and very sharp.

+1 to Crash's suggestion (unless she wants to go as small as possible). Great lens, though she'll need to pair it with another for the wider stuff.

R2

Agreed! The EF-M 55-200mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM is a better lens than you might think.  It's a plastic mount, which really seems to be a non-issue (at least to me) and it's sharp for sure.  I quite like mine.

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ttbek wrote:

True, but sooner or later it will become Sigma's problem.

Only when they feel the M market is sufficiently big enough.

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How come you did not get your daughter an M5 as well? I know the M5 is substantially more but curious.

Sigma had issues in the past with lens protocols. There is always possible incompatibility issues with third party equipment. It may work with existing equipment, but you never know about the future.

I would stick to Canon OEM lenses if you plan on upgrading bodies later on.

+1 on the 55-250 STM which is a great performer for its price but it's only for crop sensors.

There is a possibility of Canon releasing a full frame mirrorless in the future, so you may want to consider the EF 70-300 II as well

The native EF-M lenses are all decent performers.

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OP Scooterch New Member • Posts: 8
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trungtran wrote:

How come you did not get your daughter an M5 as well? I know the M5 is substantially more but curious.

The M3 was my daughter's request. I thought she was just being economical (which I appreciate), but I later learned that she was unaware of the M5 release. Her 6D is the better camera and she has some nice primes to match, so the M3 was just to add some portability. She is a bit of a collector and also has such things as an instamatic, a lomo and my original EOS 620 SLR in her collection. I try to strike a balance between encouraging her interest in photography and teaching her that you can't have it all, especially when I'm paying!

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Agreed: it would be useful to have a list of confirmed compatable lenses (or conflicts - hopefully a shorter list).

You have been fortunate with your lenses. As I mentioned, the Sigma 17-70 f/2.8-4.5 also works fine on the M3 and M5.

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Scooterch wrote:

trungtran wrote:

How come you did not get your daughter an M5 as well? I know the M5 is substantially more but curious.

The M3 was my daughter's request. I thought she was just being economical (which I appreciate), but I later learned that she was unaware of the M5 release. Her 6D is the better camera and she has some nice primes to match, so the M3 was just to add some portability. She is a bit of a collector and also has such things as an instamatic, a lomo and my original EOS 620 SLR in her collection. I try to strike a balance between encouraging her interest in photography and teaching her that you can't have it all, especially when I'm paying!

Good parenting there.

Your daughter will love the M3 as a travel camera. She might even get into legacy vintage glass. The m3 with the focus peaking makes it fun to use manual lenses.

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Scooterch wrote:

I purchased a Canon M5 and a Canon M3 for Christmas, and have been trying them out.

The M3 was a gift for my daughter, as a travel-friendly alternative to her 6D. She also got the 22mm f/2 M-series lens and a generic (Meike) mount adapter. My wife received the M5 body as an upgrade to the EOS 400D (inherited from our daughter some years ago). The M5 was the body-only "starter pack" that comes with the Canon EF/EF-S to EF-M mount adapter (without the tripod extension, frustratingly).

This offered a good range of options to test the lenses we had on hand. We quickly found a problem with the Sigma 18-250mm f/3.5-6.3 DC MACRO OS HSM. This is a handy 'travel' lens and thus seemed ideally suited to the mirrorless body, even with the added bulk of the adapter.

In brief, the Sigma 18-250mm works on both bodies, but there are problems when powering off. Neither body switches off fully for one minute. It seems that the lens is holding onto the sensor for a full 60 seconds after the switch is turned off. There is a distinct click after 60 seconds - perhaps releasing the sensor (just guessing). The M3 screen goes blank but is not off. Opening the battery cover will turn it off completely. The M5 seems to power down but cannot be turned on again immediately. Removing the battery will re-set things.

I tried this with various combinations of lenses, adapters, SD cards and batteries (I also purchased a couple of generic cells that work well, though neither the M3 nor the M5 will display the remaining charge, as expected). I also tested an older Sigma 17-70 f/2.8-4.5, which does not seem to have any issues.

I wrote to Sigma in Switzerland, where I am based, and they contacted Sigma Japan. Their response: "A Happy New Year. As you may know our lenses are optimized to DSLR cameras. So there may be incompatibility issue when it attached to Canon M series cameras. In other words, our products to not support Canon mirror less cameras." (my emphasis). Canon's Swiss rep. added, "We are sorry we could not give you any better news."

Perhaps I was naive to expect anything different. However it does seem short-sighted from Sigma. They promote the 18-250mm as a travel-friendly compact zoom, and I would not be alone in expecting it to be a useful pairing with the smaller mirrorless bodies. Buyers be warned.

This is my wife's favourite lens, as she likes to shoot birds as well as bugs and flowers. It is disappointing that it is no longer reliable. The M5 is a nice upgrade to the 400D of course, and it is too late to return my purchase to Canon (which is not at fault).

In the hunt for the ideal super zoom, I will take a closer look at the Canon EF-M 55-200mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM, though it lacks the range and macro facility of the Sigma. I had considered the Tamron 18-270mm F/3,5-6,3 Di II VC PZD, when buying the Sigma three years ago. I would welcome suggestions on good alternatives!

ther 55-200STM is way sharper than any super zoom... your sigma is about the best super zoom so if you get another one you will take a hit

you probably still have better results if you crop to make up for the lack of 50mm at the long end  55-200stm vs sigma 18-250 ...

but it means you have to have a 2 lens solution

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R2D2 wrote:

crashpc wrote:

I´d highly recommend you 55-250mm IS STM. Can be found for peanuts, and is awesome and very sharp.

I'd reserve "very sharp" to non ef-s and non 5x+ lenses. L lenses and good primes are very sharp. Usually is those that don't have better lenses that say the low end zooms are very good!

+1 to Crash's suggestion (unless she wants to go as small as possible). Great lens, though she'll need to pair it with another for the wider stuff.

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davev8 wrote:

Scooterch wrote:

I purchased a Canon M5 and a Canon M3 for Christmas, and have been trying them out.

The M3 was a gift for my daughter, as a travel-friendly alternative to her 6D. She also got the 22mm f/2 M-series lens and a generic (Meike) mount adapter. My wife received the M5 body as an upgrade to the EOS 400D (inherited from our daughter some years ago). The M5 was the body-only "starter pack" that comes with the Canon EF/EF-S to EF-M mount adapter (without the tripod extension, frustratingly).

This offered a good range of options to test the lenses we had on hand. We quickly found a problem with the Sigma 18-250mm f/3.5-6.3 DC MACRO OS HSM. This is a handy 'travel' lens and thus seemed ideally suited to the mirrorless body, even with the added bulk of the adapter.

In brief, the Sigma 18-250mm works on both bodies, but there are problems when powering off. Neither body switches off fully for one minute. It seems that the lens is holding onto the sensor for a full 60 seconds after the switch is turned off. There is a distinct click after 60 seconds - perhaps releasing the sensor (just guessing). The M3 screen goes blank but is not off. Opening the battery cover will turn it off completely. The M5 seems to power down but cannot be turned on again immediately. Removing the battery will re-set things.

I tried this with various combinations of lenses, adapters, SD cards and batteries (I also purchased a couple of generic cells that work well, though neither the M3 nor the M5 will display the remaining charge, as expected). I also tested an older Sigma 17-70 f/2.8-4.5, which does not seem to have any issues.

I wrote to Sigma in Switzerland, where I am based, and they contacted Sigma Japan. Their response: "A Happy New Year. As you may know our lenses are optimized to DSLR cameras. So there may be incompatibility issue when it attached to Canon M series cameras. In other words, our products to not support Canon mirror less cameras." (my emphasis). Canon's Swiss rep. added, "We are sorry we could not give you any better news."

Perhaps I was naive to expect anything different. However it does seem short-sighted from Sigma. They promote the 18-250mm as a travel-friendly compact zoom, and I would not be alone in expecting it to be a useful pairing with the smaller mirrorless bodies. Buyers be warned.

This is my wife's favourite lens, as she likes to shoot birds as well as bugs and flowers. It is disappointing that it is no longer reliable. The M5 is a nice upgrade to the 400D of course, and it is too late to return my purchase to Canon (which is not at fault).

In the hunt for the ideal super zoom, I will take a closer look at the Canon EF-M 55-200mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM, though it lacks the range and macro facility of the Sigma. I had considered the Tamron 18-270mm F/3,5-6,3 Di II VC PZD, when buying the Sigma three years ago. I would welcome suggestions on good alternatives!

ther 55-200STM is way sharper than any super zoom... your sigma is about the best super zoom so if you get another one you will take a hit

you probably still have better results if you crop to make up for the lack of 50mm at the long end 55-200stm vs sigma 18-250 ...

but it means you have to have a 2 lens solution

2 lenses are 2 lenses not a solution

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RedFox88 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

crashpc wrote:

I´d highly recommend you 55-250mm IS STM. Can be found for peanuts, and is awesome and very sharp.

I'd reserve "very sharp" to non ef-s and non 5x+ lenses. L lenses and good primes are very sharp. Usually is those that don't have better lenses that say the low end zooms are very good!

do you count the 70-200F4L sharp?? 70-200 f4L vs 55-250 stm

do you count the £2500 GBP 11-24 f4L sharp EF-M 11-22mm vs 11-24 F4L

do you count the 17-40 F4L sharp EF-s 17-55 F2.8 vs 17-40 F4L

do you count the 24mm F1.4L sharp

The EF-m 22 f2 is at a big disadvantage as the L glass is on FF+ more MP but the 22/2 still puts up a good show EF-M 22mm F2 vs 24mm F1.4L

+1 to Crash's suggestion (unless she wants to go as small as possible). Great lens, though she'll need to pair it with another for the wider stuff.

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davev8 wrote:

RedFox88 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

crashpc wrote:

I´d highly recommend you 55-250mm IS STM. Can be found for peanuts, and is awesome and very sharp.

I'd reserve "very sharp" to non ef-s and non 5x+ lenses. L lenses and good primes are very sharp. Usually is those that don't have better lenses that say the low end zooms are very good!

do you count the 70-200F4L sharp?? 70-200 f4L vs 55-250 stm

That's a non 5x+

do you count the £2500 GBP 11-24 f4L sharp EF-M 11-22mm vs 11-24 F4L

So is that.

do you count the 17-40 F4L sharp EF-s 17-55 F2.8 vs 17-40 F4L

And that.

do you count the 24mm F1.4L sharp

From the above, yes.

The EF-m 22 f2 is at a big disadvantage as the L glass is on FF+ more MP but the 22/2 still puts up a good show EF-M 22mm F2 vs 24mm F1.4L

Pretty sure that counts as a good prime?

+1 to Crash's suggestion (unless she wants to go as small as possible). Great lens, though she'll need to pair it with another for the wider stuff.

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RedFox88 wrote:

davev8 wrote:

Scooterch wrote:

I purchased a Canon M5 and a Canon M3 for Christmas, and have been trying them out.

The M3 was a gift for my daughter, as a travel-friendly alternative to her 6D. She also got the 22mm f/2 M-series lens and a generic (Meike) mount adapter. My wife received the M5 body as an upgrade to the EOS 400D (inherited from our daughter some years ago). The M5 was the body-only "starter pack" that comes with the Canon EF/EF-S to EF-M mount adapter (without the tripod extension, frustratingly).

This offered a good range of options to test the lenses we had on hand. We quickly found a problem with the Sigma 18-250mm f/3.5-6.3 DC MACRO OS HSM. This is a handy 'travel' lens and thus seemed ideally suited to the mirrorless body, even with the added bulk of the adapter.

In brief, the Sigma 18-250mm works on both bodies, but there are problems when powering off. Neither body switches off fully for one minute. It seems that the lens is holding onto the sensor for a full 60 seconds after the switch is turned off. There is a distinct click after 60 seconds - perhaps releasing the sensor (just guessing). The M3 screen goes blank but is not off. Opening the battery cover will turn it off completely. The M5 seems to power down but cannot be turned on again immediately. Removing the battery will re-set things.

I tried this with various combinations of lenses, adapters, SD cards and batteries (I also purchased a couple of generic cells that work well, though neither the M3 nor the M5 will display the remaining charge, as expected). I also tested an older Sigma 17-70 f/2.8-4.5, which does not seem to have any issues.

I wrote to Sigma in Switzerland, where I am based, and they contacted Sigma Japan. Their response: "A Happy New Year. As you may know our lenses are optimized to DSLR cameras. So there may be incompatibility issue when it attached to Canon M series cameras. In other words, our products to not support Canon mirror less cameras." (my emphasis). Canon's Swiss rep. added, "We are sorry we could not give you any better news."

Perhaps I was naive to expect anything different. However it does seem short-sighted from Sigma. They promote the 18-250mm as a travel-friendly compact zoom, and I would not be alone in expecting it to be a useful pairing with the smaller mirrorless bodies. Buyers be warned.

This is my wife's favourite lens, as she likes to shoot birds as well as bugs and flowers. It is disappointing that it is no longer reliable. The M5 is a nice upgrade to the 400D of course, and it is too late to return my purchase to Canon (which is not at fault).

In the hunt for the ideal super zoom, I will take a closer look at the Canon EF-M 55-200mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM, though it lacks the range and macro facility of the Sigma. I had considered the Tamron 18-270mm F/3,5-6,3 Di II VC PZD, when buying the Sigma three years ago. I would welcome suggestions on good alternatives!

ther 55-200STM is way sharper than any super zoom... your sigma is about the best super zoom so if you get another one you will take a hit

you probably still have better results if you crop to make up for the lack of 50mm at the long end 55-200stm vs sigma 18-250 ...

but it means you have to have a 2 lens solution

2 lenses are 2 lenses not a solution

errr 2 lenses are a 2 lens solution....the OP mentioned the  55-200 himself ..i was being  helpful with hopefully some helpful info to help the OP to make an informed decision

However your post has added absolutely nothing to this thread its pointless and not helpful 1 bit

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Scooterch wrote:

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How come you did not get your daughter an M5 as well? I know the M5 is substantially more but curious.

The M3 was my daughter's request. I thought she was just being economical (which I appreciate), but I later learned that she was unaware of the M5 release. Her 6D is the better camera and she has some nice primes to match, so the M3 was just to add some portability. She is a bit of a collector and also has such things as an instamatic, a lomo and my original EOS 620 SLR in her collection. I try to strike a balance between encouraging her interest in photography and teaching her that you can't have it all, especially when I'm paying!

The M3 Will probably please her

The M5 beats the 6D in many areas though. Except ofc in the shallow DoF department and when you want the FF lenses' true focal length.

Im also happy to report that all the adapted lenses I've tried so far works flawlessly on the M5 compared to my M1 and M3. Shame about that 18-250 of yours :-/

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You are not alone. My Sigma 17-70 C got the same issue when coupling with the M5.

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