Exciting Pana announcements, especially for video people.

flip 21 wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

flip 21 wrote:

Jefbak wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

flip 21 wrote:

between 1000€ and 1300€. I can go 1500€, if it was the GH5, and came with the kit lens included...

If the A6500 had a a Samsung NX 500 kind of LCD screen (wich tilts 180º), shoot 4K at 60p, and had the same price (1400€), I would buy it... well I'm assuming it doesn't overheats like the A6300... right?

But right now, I'm crazy about the GH5... I just love it

I also Love my Nx500. but I'm really mad with Samsung.... Guys, it is one year, and they didn' give us any kind of explanation... you just don't do this to your consumers... namely the ones like Kisaha and Tecnoworld... they worship you

Companies are looking at the big picture flip, not what individual users wants or needs, especially what you want for that money, and I am looking for whatever best for me, and Sony, right now, isn't.

You want to pay 1000 euros less, for a camera that will be out in 4-5 months time in Portugal, it offers the most that any other camera (after the GH4, the NX1) have ever offer, for a very reasonable, if not cheap price. Do you know how silly you sound to people, not with photo and video knowledge, but with a little bit of common sense?

Have you heard about Ken Rockwell? Well, listen to him..

"Get a DSLR like the Nikons or Canons for serious shooting, or to save money.

Nikon and Canon DSLRs take better pictures, at least if you're as critical about color rendition as I am. They also handle faster, have much better battery life, and cost less for the same features. By the time you spend as much as an a6300 for a DSLR, you're getting a very fancy DSLR. A basic DSLR like the Nikon D3300 or Canon SL1 costs only one-third as much as this A6300, and takes pictures at least as good. Basic DSLRs are also not much bigger or heavier than the A6300.

The A6300 is the girl you date for fun and good times until you find something better, while a DSLR is the woman you marry for a lifetime of serious pursuits. The A6300 is easy and fun, while a DSLR makes better pictures if you're serious beyond just posting on Facebook to be forgotten in a day."

and listen to this one as well..

"Sony and Fuji are completely different from each other:

Ergonomics

Fuji's cameras are designed by and for real photographers. Fuji cameras have far superior ergonomics, with real shutter, aperture, exposure compensation and other dials.

Sony's cameras have the world's worst menu systems, and then they force you to into menus and screens to set the most basic things like ISO and shutter speeds.

Sonys are designed for and by amateurs and online tweakers who don't actually know what's important in a camera.

Quality

Fuji, like Canon, makes almost all of its cameras and lenses domestically in Japan.

Sony usually offshores its cameras — even the $3,200 made-in-Thailand A7R II — to whatever country can do it the cheapest."

I don't know what Canon is doing but they need to put 4K in the next Ti or 90D model quickly and without handicaps like it the 5DIV has (in the dslr video market they invented in the first place.)

You don't know what Canon is doing? Well I tell you. Holding back technology... they are coming with these dinossaurs DLRs that don't shoot 4k. So The people who buy them already know that in 1 or 2 years has to buy a new model... I hate these brands. I really hate them... what can possible justify, the gigantic files needed to record 4k on their 5D mark IV? PAnasonic is my favorite brand. Always have been... I just wich they invested on APSc instead of micro 4/3...

Just listen to how this guy, Uematsu-san, speaks english... he is really tyring his best to transmit all this cool stuf about the GH5. It is funny, but also genuine...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MukM7WhCgQU

You are not adding anything to the conversation, if you had read the thread, instead of living in your own bubble, you should have known that it is already said a lot of posts above, stop spamming and flaming our threads.

"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MukM7WhCgQU

a very honest interview from Mr Uematsu-san himself!

Interesting part, when he admits that DR is almost the same. As he says, more megapixels in the same sensor, need smaller pixels, but after 3 years, and the pixels are more efficient, they are "almost the same like GH4", that means it can be better, but it can be worst really! From various tests, G85 has LESS dynamic range, with a different sensor ofcourse, but still 3 years after, the second best Pana model is not doing that great."

Sorry Mr. Wilson!!!

By the way, have you ever consider winnng the Nobel prize with this thread? Why not?!?!? After Bob Dylan have won everything is possible

Relax man... As you already mentioned this forum is condemned to extinction... so why bother?

There are people that care, and are serious humans, you don't decide for all of us.

I include the previous reply that you are masterfully deleted.

Jorginho wrote:

Yes we disagree.

What you say is about as usefull as saying that m43 lenses now enter FF size since the 300 mm F4 Oly weighs 1,3 Kg and is as large as a 70-200 F2.8. You might even add: and the FF is a zoom, more usefull too and both of have OIS and the 70-200 f2.8 is faster too.

These are not the same lenses and comparable lenses for FF are much much larger.

A similar example as your cam comparison. Because if we want to get FF to be able to do what GH5 does with those bitrates and reliably we all know we need a huge cam too cool it off. The very reason why Sony after Sony overheats even at modest bitrates as 100 Mbps on the A7sii is because Sony is geared to "sale first...let's NOT deal with problems later."

NX1 is 138.5x102.3x65.8 mm and 550grs.

A7ii 126.9 x 95.7 x 59.7 mm and 556gr

A7sii 116.8 x 68.6 x 38.1 mm and 627gr

6D 144.5 mm × 110.5 mm × 71.2 mm and 680gr

GH5 138.5 x 98.1 x 87.4 mm and 725gr.

Nikon D750 140.5x113x78 mm and 840grams.

go get a life troll.

Kisaha wrote:

arbux wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

Being in NX system for only 3 years, but perfectly happy with whatever the system offered (except the flash gun situation I am into right now!).

Having all the lenses I need, especially the unique 16-50S, and 3 cameras for specific things each (NX1-pro work, NX500-B cam/travel cam, NX3000-everyday cam) I couldn't even think of another system replacing what I am getting from NX. Well, today I am having second thoughts.

It is not only the new GH5, which is a videographer's dream, and for only 1999$, but also the. under the radar, GX850, which can be the NX3000 equiv. and the G85 (or GX85, even cheaper and more stylized) that can be a different approach of the NX500 subject.

I just bought GX80 because in UK it costs 239gbp (after cashback). I bought it with two tiny zooms 12-32 and 35-100. However I GX80 is comparable to NX500 in IQ - dynamic range is aparently poor, resolution is obviously much worse, noise much higher... I don't think there is a replacement.

Panasonic is really trying to push the envelope here, I believe they are number 1 in innovation these days. Probably these announcements today will push the whole industry a bit (I see a6xx people to save for another announcement soon, because a6300 and a6500 do not make any sense at all right now!).

I agree with your opinion about Panasonic. However m43 has too small sensor. I get accetable amout of blur with 16-50 S. No way I could get anything i like from panasonic 12-35 f2.8.

I completely agree, for video though, 10bit 4:2:2/180fps slow motion can be very important for some, not much though, and not this year, the innovation is there though, and it is a good thing.

Yes, video is different story, however even here I really like file sizes of h265 and excellent details coming from samsung. I really doub m43 compares favourably with NX1 downscalling of 28mpix. the screenshots comparison I've seen show meaningfully less sharpness and details on m43 camera. But that was obviously not gh5.

Where did you buy GX80?! I am getting one right now for 300pounds! I actually have almost 200pounds left from my last trip to UK, and my best friend leaves Thursday for London (in case they need a UK adress to send it).

park cameras. but use this:

http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/

The only problem is that double cashback offer ended yesterday. Bad luck.

Kisaha wrote:

Jorginho wrote:

Yes we disagree.

What you say is about as usefull as saying that m43 lenses now enter FF size since the 300 mm F4 Oly weighs 1,3 Kg and is as large as a 70-200 F2.8. You might even add: and the FF is a zoom, more usefull too and both of have OIS and the 70-200 f2.8 is faster too.

These are not the same lenses and comparable lenses for FF are much much larger.

A similar example as your cam comparison. Because if we want to get FF to be able to do what GH5 does with those bitrates and reliably we all know we need a huge cam too cool it off. The very reason why Sony after Sony overheats even at modest bitrates as 100 Mbps on the A7sii is because Sony is geared to "sale first...let's NOT deal with problems later."

NX1 is 138.5x102.3x65.8 mm and 550grs.

A7ii 126.9 x 95.7 x 59.7 mm and 556gr

A7sii 116.8 x 68.6 x 38.1 mm and 627gr

6D 144.5 mm × 110.5 mm × 71.2 mm and 680gr

GH5 138.5 x 98.1 x 87.4 mm and 725gr.

Nikon D750 140.5x113x78 mm and 840grams.

go get a life troll.

Jorginho is no troll. I really like reading his comments, they are well balanced, and relevant ...

It is great to have your imput on this forum Jorginho

Xoden wrote:

arbux wrote:

I just bought GX80 because in UK it costs 239gbp (after cashback). I bought it with two tiny zooms 12-32 and 35-100.

Locally it still costs more than 1.5 times more than NX500 when it was in stock (or occasional but regularly appearing used).

However I GX80 is comparable to NX500 in IQ - dynamic range is aparently poor, resolution is obviously much worse, noise much higher... I don't think there is a replacement.

Yes, looks like a decent camera overall, though it looks like the drop in IQ and usable MPs (I like cropping a lot) should be quite noticeable compared to NX500.

It would be nice to have IBIS for 300 quids, in my job we use JVC LS300 quite a lot, and a small m4/3 camera it would be nice as a B or C cam. Anyway, I missed the chance now, but I will have it in mind just in case. I am not abandoning NX yet!

flip 21 wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

Jorginho wrote:

Yes we disagree.

What you say is about as usefull as saying that m43 lenses now enter FF size since the 300 mm F4 Oly weighs 1,3 Kg and is as large as a 70-200 F2.8. You might even add: and the FF is a zoom, more usefull too and both of have OIS and the 70-200 f2.8 is faster too.

These are not the same lenses and comparable lenses for FF are much much larger.

A similar example as your cam comparison. Because if we want to get FF to be able to do what GH5 does with those bitrates and reliably we all know we need a huge cam too cool it off. The very reason why Sony after Sony overheats even at modest bitrates as 100 Mbps on the A7sii is because Sony is geared to "sale first...let's NOT deal with problems later."

NX1 is 138.5x102.3x65.8 mm and 550grs.

A7ii 126.9 x 95.7 x 59.7 mm and 556gr

A7sii 116.8 x 68.6 x 38.1 mm and 627gr

6D 144.5 mm × 110.5 mm × 71.2 mm and 680gr

GH5 138.5 x 98.1 x 87.4 mm and 725gr.

Nikon D750 140.5x113x78 mm and 840grams.

go get a life troll.

Jorginho is no troll. I really like reading his comments, they are well balanced, and relevant ...

It is great to have your imput on this forum Jorginho

You're troll as well.  You're all trolls. Go back to your m43 cave!

arbux wrote:

flip 21 wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

Jorginho wrote:

Yes we disagree.

What you say is about as usefull as saying that m43 lenses now enter FF size since the 300 mm F4 Oly weighs 1,3 Kg and is as large as a 70-200 F2.8. You might even add: and the FF is a zoom, more usefull too and both of have OIS and the 70-200 f2.8 is faster too.

These are not the same lenses and comparable lenses for FF are much much larger.

A similar example as your cam comparison. Because if we want to get FF to be able to do what GH5 does with those bitrates and reliably we all know we need a huge cam too cool it off. The very reason why Sony after Sony overheats even at modest bitrates as 100 Mbps on the A7sii is because Sony is geared to "sale first...let's NOT deal with problems later."

NX1 is 138.5x102.3x65.8 mm and 550grs.

A7ii 126.9 x 95.7 x 59.7 mm and 556gr

A7sii 116.8 x 68.6 x 38.1 mm and 627gr

6D 144.5 mm × 110.5 mm × 71.2 mm and 680gr

GH5 138.5 x 98.1 x 87.4 mm and 725gr.

Nikon D750 140.5x113x78 mm and 840grams.

go get a life troll.

Jorginho is no troll. I really like reading his comments, they are well balanced, and relevant ...

It is great to have your imput on this forum Jorginho

You're troll as well. You're all trolls. Go back to your m43 cave!

I am a logic and reasoning guy and with the recent Jorg comments, my brain just couldn't handle the madness. I was just putting the numbers, and he was like

"...-NO. -..but the weight is.. -NO, -..but the height.. -NO, -there are real cameras with.. -NO..."

When a troll like Flip supports someone fanatically, you all can imagine what kind of admiration we have here. Troll Love! Just kidding. But it is love.

Anyway, I just set them to "Ignore", and go on with my life, and the system I feel most right for me. They do not buy my equipment, not bringing my family dinner, I respect anyone's opinion, if they respect anyone's opinion too. It is very sad that they do not, as I am very flexible and have a great capacity for understanding the different, that is why I have had excellent conversations (and friendly and working relationships_ with people of very different racial, ethnical, socio-political, political, age background, and I am surprised that we are failing to agree on a camera's size and weight! WHICH ARE MEASURABLE!!

Kisaha wrote:

arbux wrote:

flip 21 wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

Jorginho wrote:

Yes we disagree.

What you say is about as usefull as saying that m43 lenses now enter FF size since the 300 mm F4 Oly weighs 1,3 Kg and is as large as a 70-200 F2.8. You might even add: and the FF is a zoom, more usefull too and both of have OIS and the 70-200 f2.8 is faster too.

These are not the same lenses and comparable lenses for FF are much much larger.

A similar example as your cam comparison. Because if we want to get FF to be able to do what GH5 does with those bitrates and reliably we all know we need a huge cam too cool it off. The very reason why Sony after Sony overheats even at modest bitrates as 100 Mbps on the A7sii is because Sony is geared to "sale first...let's NOT deal with problems later."

NX1 is 138.5x102.3x65.8 mm and 550grs.

A7ii 126.9 x 95.7 x 59.7 mm and 556gr

A7sii 116.8 x 68.6 x 38.1 mm and 627gr

6D 144.5 mm × 110.5 mm × 71.2 mm and 680gr

GH5 138.5 x 98.1 x 87.4 mm and 725gr.

Nikon D750 140.5x113x78 mm and 840grams.

go get a life troll.

Jorginho is no troll. I really like reading his comments, they are well balanced, and relevant ...

It is great to have your imput on this forum Jorginho

You're troll as well. You're all trolls. Go back to your m43 cave!

I am a logic and reasoning guy and with the recent Jorg comments, my brain just couldn't handle the madness. I was just putting the numbers, and he was like

"...-NO. -..but the weight is.. -NO, -..but the height.. -NO, -there are real cameras with.. -NO..."

When a troll like Flip supports someone fanatically, you all can imagine what kind of admiration we have here. Troll Love! Just kidding. But it is love.

Anyway, I just set them to "Ignore", and go on with my life, and the system I feel most right for me. They do not buy my equipment, not bringing my family dinner, I respect anyone's opinion, if they respect anyone's opinion too. It is very sad that they do not, as I am very flexible and have a great capacity for understanding the different, that is why I have had excellent conversations (and friendly and working relationships_ with people of very different racial, ethnical, socio-political, political, age background, and I am surprised that we are failing to agree on a camera's size and weight! WHICH ARE MEASURABLE!!

Just for you Kisaha and also for Airbux ;):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01QQZyl-_I

"Why can't we give love that one more chance?

Why can't we give love, give love, give love, give love, give love, give love, give love, give love?.."

PS: I'm not the troll, I'm the funny guy Jorginho is the polite one, and you my friend, you are the SPECIAL ONE LOLOLOLOL.

markyboy81 wrote:

flip 21 wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

arbux wrote:

flip 21 wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

Jorginho wrote:

Yes we disagree.

What you say is about as usefull as saying that m43 lenses now enter FF size since the 300 mm F4 Oly weighs 1,3 Kg and is as large as a 70-200 F2.8. You might even add: and the FF is a zoom, more usefull too and both of have OIS and the 70-200 f2.8 is faster too.

These are not the same lenses and comparable lenses for FF are much much larger.

A similar example as your cam comparison. Because if we want to get FF to be able to do what GH5 does with those bitrates and reliably we all know we need a huge cam too cool it off. The very reason why Sony after Sony overheats even at modest bitrates as 100 Mbps on the A7sii is because Sony is geared to "sale first...let's NOT deal with problems later."

NX1 is 138.5x102.3x65.8 mm and 550grs.

A7ii 126.9 x 95.7 x 59.7 mm and 556gr

A7sii 116.8 x 68.6 x 38.1 mm and 627gr

6D 144.5 mm × 110.5 mm × 71.2 mm and 680gr

GH5 138.5 x 98.1 x 87.4 mm and 725gr.

Nikon D750 140.5x113x78 mm and 840grams.

go get a life troll.

Jorginho is no troll. I really like reading his comments, they are well balanced, and relevant ...

It is great to have your imput on this forum Jorginho

You're troll as well. You're all trolls. Go back to your m43 cave!

I am a logic and reasoning guy and with the recent Jorg comments, my brain just couldn't handle the madness. I was just putting the numbers, and he was like

"...-NO. -..but the weight is.. -NO, -..but the height.. -NO, -there are real cameras with.. -NO..."

When a troll like Flip supports someone fanatically, you all can imagine what kind of admiration we have here. Troll Love! Just kidding. But it is love.

Anyway, I just set them to "Ignore", and go on with my life, and the system I feel most right for me. They do not buy my equipment, not bringing my family dinner, I respect anyone's opinion, if they respect anyone's opinion too. It is very sad that they do not, as I am very flexible and have a great capacity for understanding the different, that is why I have had excellent conversations (and friendly and working relationships_ with people of very different racial, ethnical, socio-political, political, age background, and I am surprised that we are failing to agree on a camera's size and weight! WHICH ARE MEASURABLE!!

Just for you Kisaha and also for Airbux ;):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01QQZyl-_I

"Why can't we give love that one more chance?

Why can't we give love, give love, give love, give love, give love, give love, give love, give love?.."

PS: I'm not the troll, I'm the funny guy Jorginho is the polite one, and you my friend, you are the SPECIAL ONE LOLOLOLOL.

Flip when you say you're funny do you mean humorous or peculiar?

Actually don't worry I think I have the answer.

It depends. If I forgot to take the pill, I get peculiar, if I take the pill I start insulting people The problem is that nowadays, almost anyone take some sort of pill

Now seriously (still kidding...), I used to come to foruns, only when I needed to buy a new camera... but this forum is different... you guys, are like the family I never had... snif, snif, specially my troika pall, Kisaha... (sorry, I stop taking pills long time ago)

Now I'm being serious. I don't understand nothing about camera jargon, but I can tell that the A7s is the queen in low light that "it"can see in the dark, and that's cool, that the NX1 has a great image quality, and it is not expensive, and that the GH5 's 4k video at 60p looks very nice and smother... I also know that Jorginho is not a troll

I'm just an artist, I don't care about ISOs, Apertures, etc... But I like to read your posts, and your comments, because I like to learn from the experts, although some of you guys seem to be a little under pressure these days. I guess Samsung leaving the camera business affected a lot of people...

PS: I do funny movies, and my type of humor is rather peculiar, but that's not bad thing, is it? Are is nonsense peculiar?

I always live my life according to the idea of - Live and let live...

Is it great or is it not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GozZgqK6aEQ

Low light:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eenwe1zdqyM

brownie112 wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

brownie112 wrote:

In terms of video, it seems like Panasonic is pushing the boundaries but wonder why they didn't go for HEVC h.265 codec? 2 years ago video people were raving about this codec being the best thing and future devices will have it but if GH5 doesn't have it,

Leave it up to them. Have they ever failed? No.

Totally agreed. My old man always says "if it ain't broken don't fix it". But we did hear a lot of talk about HEVC being amazing and NX1 was touted as future proof etc.

logically it means two things:

1. HEVC is not the future?

2. GH5 isn't future proof?

Sure it is.

Hmm. Apologies for coming across as stubborn, but how could you say yes to both 1 and 2? Aren't they contradicting each other?

I have replied a couple of posts above, it DOES have H265, I have included all the different video formats, too. Just a couple of posts above.

H265 is supported by 4K Pana tvs anyway.

Apologies for bringing this up mate, but looks like either you are wrong or DPR is wrong. What am I missing here? I thought H265 was the future and all.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dc-gh5?comment=1118285729

Seriously, I do not even remember the whole thread, and since then I haven't done much searching about GH5 as I am waiting for all the firmware updates and the competition to decide if it is really for me.

What is your issue with H265 exactly?

Even these very reputable sellers in UK ( https://www.proav.co.uk/videos/panasonic-gh5-up-to-speed/ ) are mentioning H265 (read the second paragraph), probably it is a Panasonic misunderstanding, as there is H265 in 6K photo mode, and there is going to be an anamorphic mode in the summer (?), in anyway, I posted the published tables back then, I won't create "official tables" out of my stomach.

Edit: just saw the post. That was 3 months ago, and it was quoted by the Newsshooter review.

brownie112 wrote:

Fair enough, was just saying if Panasonic is doing false advertisements.

I have No issue with H265, I like it and paid extra money to buy editing software, upgraded PC etc which supports it. So I have invested in this piece of technical specification hence why I brought this up.

Obviously, mistakenly, some people in the industry reported back then that the 4K/60-50f was H265.

H265 is great, if Panasonic doesn't fully implements it in their cameras, it is a big loss for final consumers.

100/150Mbps, on a 64GB cards, you can write around 56minutes (from the GH5 manual).  I have a 3 hours recording (more usually, but let's say 3), I edit one right now, and I have a few more in May, June and July. For NX1 1080p (Pro, without the hack) is almost 140minutes per 64GB card, for GH5 (100Mbps/H264/8 bit) is 80minutes. With the GH5 I will need 3 cards, 2 with the NX, and the total size of the project would be almost 40% less. Multiple these to multiple cameras and multiple hard drives for backup (I always have 1 or 2 backups). Economy of size, that is called!

Imagine the 400Mbps that will come this summer, and will be mandatory for 10bit recording (to hold more information). Panasonic says that we will need new special cards for those. With H265, they could have achieve similar results with 200Mbps (similar to the top ones we are getting with the NX1 hack), they would just top SD cards, that already exist (and they are cheaper than the new-exotic ones), and eventually one need less card, hard drive and backup space.

I am interested at the DJI Pantom 4 Pro, and the video bitrate maxes at 100Mbps. Would you prefer 100Mbps at H264 or H265? Obviously the H265 will be vastly more efficient (especially in this case that the maximum bitrate is equal for both codecs).

The quote for the H265 GH5 situation.

"I talked to Panasonic’s Matt Frazer to clarify the use of H.265 on the Panasonic GH5.

Although the GH5 is still in pre-production (things may change slightly upon release), Matt says all the regular 4K recording modes are H.264. Some have reported that 4K 60fps is H.265 but this was a mistake.

Matt says Panasonic are at the moment using H.265 only for the 6K Photo Mode as a way to compress the very high resolution 18MP images at high frame rates to smaller files without compromising quality. Efficiency is the name of the game here and Panasonic expects this mode to be mainly used in-camera to pull still frames out.

However Matt tells me he assumes the 6K Anamorphic mode uses the H.265 codec as well, because it is essentially the same camera mode in 4:3 aspect ratio."

P.S I am not very good at maths, maybe my calculations were a bit off, I surely use only a couple of cameras for big projects with the NX1, and more with other cameras. I am going to backup one of those projects with multiple cameras.

Now I am thinking about it, Canon C100markII has 35Mbps, and their files are outstanding for the size! Another reason to buy a dedicated video camera..