Exciting Pana announcements, especially for video people.

Being in NX system for only 3 years, but perfectly happy with whatever the system offered (except  the flash gun situation I am into right now!).

Having all the lenses I need, especially the unique 16-50S, and 3 cameras for specific things each (NX1-pro work, NX500-B cam/travel cam, NX3000-everyday cam) I couldn't even think of another system replacing what I am getting from NX. Well, today I am having second thoughts.

It is not only the new GH5, which is a videographer's dream, and for only 1999$, but also the. under the radar, GX850, which can be the NX3000 equiv. and the G85 (or GX85, even cheaper and more stylized) that can be a different approach of the NX500 subject.

Well, sensor wise, NX is still king, 20-28 APS-C megapixels, instead of 16-20 m4/3 ones, it is just the double/triple IS of Pana is second in industry right now (and starting to become really good of its own), and GH5 is video king, what it offers, you can't even find in professional video cameras right now, and in every camera they earn a little bit of low light performance (even though, admittedly, not much, but there is clear improvement with every camera near the top).

Panasonic is really trying to push the envelope here, I believe they are number 1 in innovation these days. Probably these announcements today will push the whole industry a bit (I see a6xx people to save for another announcement soon, because a6300 and a6500 do not make any sense at all right now!).

Yes, for video gh5 seems the best. But h.264 and low bitrates (at least for now) are still making it less attractive than it could be.

And for stills...nx1 is better, imo.

Looks nice. M43 sensor and 20MP for stills I'm not sure if it will be great however good to see they are heading in the right direction for videos. Dual IS will be very handy.

Hi!

I wonder how GH5 will do in terms of still photos. Would M43 GH5 with its dual IS could equal IQ of D500/NX1/X-T2?

In terms of video, it seems like Panasonic is pushing the boundaries but wonder why they didn't go for HEVC h.265 codec? 2 years ago video people were raving about this codec being the best thing and future devices will have it but if GH5 doesn't have it,

logically it means two things:

1. HEVC is not the future?

2. GH5 isn't future proof?

Thoughts?

Kisaha wrote:

Being in NX system for only 3 years, but perfectly happy with whatever the system offered (except the flash gun situation I am into right now!).

Having all the lenses I need, especially the unique 16-50S, and 3 cameras for specific things each (NX1-pro work, NX500-B cam/travel cam, NX3000-everyday cam) I couldn't even think of another system replacing what I am getting from NX. Well, today I am having second thoughts.

It is not only the new GH5, which is a videographer's dream, and for only 1999$, but also the. under the radar, GX850, which can be the NX3000 equiv. and the G85 (or GX85, even cheaper and more stylized) that can be a different approach of the NX500 subject.

Well, sensor wise, NX is still king, 20-28 APS-C megapixels, instead of 16-20 m4/3 ones, it is just the double/triple IS of Pana is second in industry right now (and starting to become really good of its own), and GH5 is video king, what it offers, you can't even find in professional video cameras right now, and in every camera they earn a little bit of low light performance (even though, admittedly, not much, but there is clear improvement with every camera near the top).

Well.....if you look at Em1.2 4K video you can see just how incredible good it is. Fantastic in ISo3200. Panny....can only be a lot better. Because they offer incam 4:2:2 10 bit 4K. That is much better really

Panasonic is really trying to push the envelope here, I believe they are number 1 in innovation these days.

They have been the biggest innovator for mirrorless ever since it started....with them. G1 was the start, GH1 was a videopowerhouse, GH4 4K was jawdropping, the best S-AF became by far the best CDAF AKA DFD which on my GH4 works well. I have yet to test my EM1.2 for BIF but it will be better may be. Regardless, GH4 is a solid camera for action.

Probably these announcements today will push the whole industry a bit (I see a6xx people to save for another announcement soon, because a6300 and a6500 do not make any sense at all right now!).

We need to await reviews of the GH5 though before we can say anything definitive. But it seems a superb cam.

But what makes such systems are lenses. I am actually more impressed with those updates on those old lenses.

Also: no corners are cut with Panasonic. GX80 was so amazing because they simply got that cam a better shutter and 4K IBIS which works nice inspite of their GX8 being quite new...and could not keep up here.

I think Panasonic is a commendable camerasystem and...very rare are the comments on its build quality. Really....so few and far between. Can't say the same of Oly and just hope my Em1.2 will be fine....

brownie112 wrote:

Hi!

I wonder how GH5 will do in terms of still photos. Would M43 GH5 with its dual IS could equal IQ of D500/NX1/X-T2?

Only when IBIS becomes important. It is 5 stops. It helps. Otherwise: not a chance. But its IQ is therefor not bad or mediocre. It is very good. Just not as good as these sensors.

In terms of video, it seems like Panasonic is pushing the boundaries but wonder why they didn't go for HEVC h.265 codec? 2 years ago video people were raving about this codec being the best thing and future devices will have it but if GH5 doesn't have it,

Leave it up to them. Have they ever failed? No.

logically it means two things:

1. HEVC is not the future?

2. GH5 isn't future proof?

Sure it is.

Thoughts?

I use Em1.2....I am testing HiRes mode now. 80MP and I have used it in  very very windy weather (66 km/h winds!) and shot blustery showers today. It has no problems with that, with  wild water, with reetfields in it that fat move. Here no APS-c cam can come close to its IQ. Colourreproduction is better than  than the 645 Z, noise is better than A7RII. It is still limited of course in use. But is otoh so very usefull. For landscapes I love it!

APansonic shoud consider such a system. They haveIBIS...so it is possible.

Jorginho wrote:

brownie112 wrote:

Hi!

I wonder how GH5 will do in terms of still photos. Would M43 GH5 with its dual IS could equal IQ of D500/NX1/X-T2?

Only when IBIS becomes important. It is 5 stops. It helps. Otherwise: not a chance. But its IQ is therefor not bad or mediocre. It is very good. Just not as good as these sensors.

In terms of video, it seems like Panasonic is pushing the boundaries but wonder why they didn't go for HEVC h.265 codec? 2 years ago video people were raving about this codec being the best thing and future devices will have it but if GH5 doesn't have it,

Leave it up to them. Have they ever failed? No.

Totally agreed. My old man always says "if it ain't broken don't fix it". But we did hear a lot of talk about HEVC being amazing and NX1 was touted as future proof etc.

logically it means two things:

1. HEVC is not the future?

2. GH5 isn't future proof?

Sure it is.

Hmm. Apologies for coming across as stubborn, but how could you say yes to both 1 and 2? Aren't they contradicting each other?

Thoughts?

I use Em1.2....I am testing HiRes mode now. 80MP and I have used it in very very windy weather (66 km/h winds!) and shot blustery showers today. It has no problems with that, with wild water, with reetfields in it that fat move.

I love the EM1, it had the best ergo and the 12-40/2.8 was a real beauty. Could you please advise if those shots in challenging conditions were hand held or tripod?

Here no APS-c cam can come close to its IQ. Colourreproduction is better than than the 645 Z, noise is better than A7RII.

Kisaha wrote:

I have replied a couple of posts above, it DOES have H265, I have included all the different video formats, too. Just a couple of posts above.

H265 is supported by 4K Pana tvs anyway.

Sorry I missed it, yes you are right it supports h265. That is great news. Thanks for posting the video fps information.

Read the specs and watched some youtube about it. Looks like it will be my next camera if the video autofocus is nearly as good as the NX 1 and I start going more and more into videography. Right now at the moment I don't think I will preorder. I will probably wait it out to watch some actual video autofocus testing. Maybe grab it down the road when they go on sale or as a used camera (even the newly released sony 6500 is going on sale with giftcards at times)

It definitely has some nice features. The price is pretty high ($3k+ with some lumix lenses) . My entire NX 1 + lens collection (3 lenses covering 12-200mm including 16-50mm S lens) is probably still less than $2k total spent.

Pretty excited about the GH5. It may be the camera I jump to if I start doing more video which I hope I do.  Very tempting to sell my entire samsung camera gear.

brownie112 wrote:

Jorginho wrote:

brownie112 wrote:

Hi!

I wonder how GH5 will do in terms of still photos. Would M43 GH5 with its dual IS could equal IQ of D500/NX1/X-T2?

Only when IBIS becomes important. It is 5 stops. It helps. Otherwise: not a chance. But its IQ is therefor not bad or mediocre. It is very good. Just not as good as these sensors.

In terms of video, it seems like Panasonic is pushing the boundaries but wonder why they didn't go for HEVC h.265 codec? 2 years ago video people were raving about this codec being the best thing and future devices will have it but if GH5 doesn't have it,

Leave it up to them. Have they ever failed? No.

Totally agreed. My old man always says "if it ain't broken don't fix it". But we did hear a lot of talk about HEVC being amazing and NX1 was touted as future proof etc.

logically it means two things:

1. HEVC is not the future?

2. GH5 isn't future proof?

Sure it is.

Hmm. Apologies for coming across as stubborn, but how could you say yes to both 1 and 2? Aren't they contradicting each other?

THere is HEVC in the Panasonic for 6K photomode. If needed a FW updatre is all it takes. Ity is just software. So yes. whatever is needed, it will be possible.

Thoughts?

I use Em1.2....I am testing HiRes mode now. 80MP and I have used it in very very windy weather (66 km/h winds!) and shot blustery showers today. It has no problems with that, with wild water, with reetfields in it that fat move.

I love the EM1, it had the best ergo and the 12-40/2.8 was a real beauty. Could you please advise if those shots in challenging conditions were hand held or tripod?

Tripod! But...HR is not possible handheld with Oly lenses for they lack OI and the cam can't do it with HiRes. Enter a lens with good OIS, like the PL1004-400 and I got good shots in the sense even some that were far sharper than the 20 MP single shot one. BUt in 90% odf the case you need a tripod. Having said that I am convinced a monopod will do the trick as well with the good lenses.

Here no APS-c cam can come close to its IQ. Colourreproduction is better than than the 645 Z, noise is better than A7RII.

Both s lenses are, and so is the 85mm. I think no system has such good lenses (at those prices, at least).

I tbink that nx1 is the best balance for mainly still shooters who also like to shoot videos.

Kisaha wrote:

Jorginho wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

Being in NX system for only 3 years, but perfectly happy with whatever the system offered (except the flash gun situation I am into right now!).

Having all the lenses I need, especially the unique 16-50S, and 3 cameras for specific things each (NX1-pro work, NX500-B cam/travel cam, NX3000-everyday cam) I couldn't even think of another system replacing what I am getting from NX. Well, today I am having second thoughts.

It is not only the new GH5, which is a videographer's dream, and for only 1999$, but also the. under the radar, GX850, which can be the NX3000 equiv. and the G85 (or GX85, even cheaper and more stylized) that can be a different approach of the NX500 subject.

Well, sensor wise, NX is still king, 20-28 APS-C megapixels, instead of 16-20 m4/3 ones, it is just the double/triple IS of Pana is second in industry right now (and starting to become really good of its own), and GH5 is video king, what it offers, you can't even find in professional video cameras right now, and in every camera they earn a little bit of low light performance (even though, admittedly, not much, but there is clear improvement with every camera near the top).

Well.....if you look at Em1.2 4K video you can see just how incredible good it is. Fantastic in ISo3200. Panny....can only be a lot better. Because they offer incam 4:2:2 10 bit 4K. That is much better really

Panasonic is really trying to push the envelope here, I believe they are number 1 in innovation these days.

They have been the biggest innovator for mirrorless ever since it started....with them. G1 was the start, GH1 was a videopowerhouse, GH4 4K was jawdropping, the best S-AF became by far the best CDAF AKA DFD which on my GH4 works well. I have yet to test my EM1.2 for BIF but it will be better may be. Regardless, GH4 is a solid camera for action.

Probably these announcements today will push the whole industry a bit (I see a6xx people to save for another announcement soon, because a6300 and a6500 do not make any sense at all right now!).

We need to await reviews of the GH5 though before we can say anything definitive. But it seems a superb cam.

But what makes such systems are lenses. I am actually more impressed with those updates on those old lenses.

Also: no corners are cut with Panasonic. GX80 was so amazing because they simply got that cam a better shutter and 4K IBIS which works nice inspite of their GX8 being quite new...and could not keep up here.

I think Panasonic is a commendable camerasystem and...very rare are the comments on its build quality. Really....so few and far between. Can't say the same of Oly and just hope my Em1.2 will be fine....

From Cinema5D : "We were presented with a ISO 6400 video sample and noise in the picture was very evident. On top of that, when shooting with high ISO settings, the camera will automatically reduce noise internally. This feature cannot currently be turned off and can only be controlled via the menu with high/mid/ and low settings. "

What cam is this?

In the interview they say the DR is similar to GH4. Also, the LOG that can really manipulate the information will be a paid upgrade.

Which cam?

When the NX1 was out, was the biggest innovation in mirrorless cameras, I know because I stopped using the GH4 altogether after I bought the NX1 and there are 5 GH5s right now in the world, far from a finished product!

If a cam is 6 months later on the market with nothing new, just things better it is not really an innovation is it? It is nothing new, just me-too+1. GH5 like I said: remains to be seen. Agreed.

10bit 4:2:2 WILL be great, at the moment you can't edit the codec. Adobe will figure it out when (or before) Camera release in April. Also, how many people have the hardware to edit sufficiently (not even perfectly) this kind of files? Much more less than can you imagine (right now it is not supported anyway, so not a lot of people really).

How many people were happy to put up with a completely unsupported codec?

I may end up getting one in the end, but my hope is for a video camera with 10bit 4:2:2, not a mirrorless, and I would pay 4000$/euros for one.

Yes...like not so many others.

In the end of the day, for photos, a 28APS-C sensor is not even close to a 20 m4/3 one.

It is. It is not so differenct.

Noone talks about Hi-Res photos for Panasonic (do they have implemented the feature?), but in general, not a lot of people really care. 28megapixels are capable to print a really really big thing, why anyone needs more than that? and if I need more, I am getting A7rII or Nikon, and I do not pray to the Gods of still-ness.

So for some strange reason 28 MP, precisely the number you cam has, is what everyone needs. Less - significantly worse (like 20 MP 4/3 or so) and more is useless. What is your experience then? I used 16, 20 MP cams (mFts), 36 mP D800E and 80 MP HiRes. The HiRes mode gets you muhc lower noise, much better colours, much more room for postediting since there is a lot more information. And thee is no aliasing since there is no bayer filter. It is simply mindboggling good.

Panny hasn't got it. Sadly.

Also, what keeps me NX at the moment (or any other system really) is the incredible 16-50S, the best all around workhorse in industry.

For you.

A 24-77 2-2.8APS-C ISN'T like a 24-70 2.8 m4/3 at all. I consider the S a much better lens than the 12-35 I remember, with better hold up in the contrasts and manipulation of flares, it reminds me a Leica prime lens in its rendition really.

Reviews shows the opposite: the 16-50 S is just a tad worse than 12-35 f2.8 in IQ. But it is a very nice lens for sure and glad you like it. In fact it is good to see so many NX1 users still loving their cam. I can relate. I still love my GH4 a whole whole lot. Never stalled, never failed, always worked, did everything well (at least to my mind).

For sure I notice a big difference among 28mp (from nx1) and 20mp (nx300) both when cropping and when rising shadows. It's a night and day difference. I always shoot at iso 100 and nx1 is the only camera I delt with allowing me to do so w/o an issue.

The others exhibit too much chroma noise and lack of details.