Samsung surprises - not in a good way

I am primarily a Sony user and recently acquired Samsung NX3000. Though I liked the camera and IQ, a few undocumented (?) things disappointed me badly - especially after using it in a trip just to find unexpected results.

First one was switching to jpeg in non-A/S priority mode for which I made a separate post here. It is seriously a dumb decision on Samsung part to have that kind of flawed logic.

And now I learnt about Panorama resolution in very hard way, after taking plenty of pics in pano mode  - just to realise that Samsung decided to store them in low resolution mode  - highly disappointed seeing my trip pics in extremely low resolution, approx 2000x1000. I indeed didn't expect 20MP camera to produce 2MP picture - it's disappointing. If processing was a limitation, Samsung should not have even provided that mode or at least documented/warned about the low resolution.

At this moment, I lost trust on this camera and how will it behave if I change something. Not sure if there are more  such nasty surprises Samsung kept for us. Can you post if you experienced any such things or feature which behaves differently in different modes.

Thanks

The manuals can still be downloaded online. It explains every feature in detail (including the pano low resolution)  I suggest reading it thoroughly so you'll know exactly what each feature does.

It's an excellent camera, and just like any camera on the market there are features that if used improperly will pride results you may not like. Ignorance of what the options are is no reason to call the camera poor.

parakalien wrote:

The manuals can still be downloaded online. It explains every feature in detail (including the pano low resolution) I suggest reading it thoroughly so you'll know exactly what each feature does.

Could you point me to page number where this is mentioned?

It's an excellent camera, and just like any camera on the market there are features that if used improperly will pride results you may not like. Ignorance of what the options are is no reason to call the camera poor.

What is improper in using P mode and what is proper in changing mode from RAW to JPEG in P mode?

Come on!

Kisaha wrote:

yusufmotiwala wrote:

parakalien wrote:

The manuals can still be downloaded online. It explains every feature in detail (including the pano low resolution) I suggest reading it thoroughly so you'll know exactly what each feature does.

Could you point me to page number where this is mentioned?

It's an excellent camera, and just like any camera on the market there are features that if used improperly will pride results you may not like. Ignorance of what the options are is no reason to call the camera poor.

What is improper in using P mode and what is proper in changing mode from RAW to JPEG in P mode?

Come on!

For the same money you bought the NX3000 you could buy a NX300 which is a far superior camera in mostly every way. Perfect touch screen, one of the best previous generations AF, one od the most beautiful designs ever (much better than any other camera I have ever owned, except AE-1 ofcourse!), the built quality seem quite a bit better than my NX500, and many many more.

The most annoying thing about NX3000 for me is the lack of sensor cleaning, and the lack of 50/60 frames in video mode. They should have those for sure.

If you check the new m4/3 and Fuji entry level cameras (16mgpxls for both options) then you would be happy with the 20mgpxl NX!

It is my every day camera, didn't even bother with my NX500/NX1 these holidays, the 3000 was always on my jacket'spocket, either with the 16-50pz or the 30mm, ok, I missed some photos because the AF, the face AF was good for most family pictures anyway.

Thanks but that's not a point, in fact NX300 also seems to be suffering from same weird flaws which I mentioned.

yusufmotiwala wrote:

parakalien wrote:

The manuals can still be downloaded online. It explains every feature in detail (including the pano low resolution) I suggest reading it thoroughly so you'll know exactly what each feature does.

Could you point me to page number where this is mentioned?

It's an excellent camera, and just like any camera on the market there are features that if used improperly will pride results you may not like. Ignorance of what the options are is no reason to call the camera poor.

What is improper in using P mode and what is proper in changing mode from RAW to JPEG in P mode?

Come on!

Page 62 of the manual states 'The resolution varies depending on the panoramic photo you captured.'

Most cameras I have used capture a very much reduced resolution panorama image. In contrast smartphones seem to be much better at this.

You'd be better off using bracketing and either using software like ICE to stitch the images or just uploading them to Google photos where they will be automatically stitched together.

markyboy81 wrote:

yusufmotiwala wrote:

parakalien wrote:

The manuals can still be downloaded online. It explains every feature in detail (including the pano low resolution) I suggest reading it thoroughly so you'll know exactly what each feature does.

Could you point me to page number where this is mentioned?

It's an excellent camera, and just like any camera on the market there are features that if used improperly will pride results you may not like. Ignorance of what the options are is no reason to call the camera poor.

What is improper in using P mode and what is proper in changing mode from RAW to JPEG in P mode?

Come on!

Page 62 of the manual states 'The resolution varies depending on the panoramic photo you captured.'

Thanks, but it's a tricky sentence without revealing limitation. Normally one interpret it as resolution depending on and in multiple of number of pictures shot. In no way I can interpret it as super low resolution.

yusufmotiwala wrote:

markyboy81 wrote:

yusufmotiwala wrote:

parakalien wrote:

The manuals can still be downloaded online. It explains every feature in detail (including the pano low resolution) I suggest reading it thoroughly so you'll know exactly what each feature does.

Could you point me to page number where this is mentioned?

It's an excellent camera, and just like any camera on the market there are features that if used improperly will pride results you may not like. Ignorance of what the options are is no reason to call the camera poor.

What is improper in using P mode and what is proper in changing mode from RAW to JPEG in P mode?

Come on!

Page 62 of the manual states 'The resolution varies depending on the panoramic photo you captured.'

Thanks, but it's a tricky sentence without revealing limitation. Normally one interpret it as resolution depending on and in multiple of number of pictures shot.

It does roughly, the panorama can be stopped partway due to too much shake, etc...  So let me get this straight, you thought an itty bitty camera was stitching high resolution photos in real time faster than ICE on an i7?  Yes, Samsung packs a lot in there, but not quite that much

In no way I can interpret it as super low resolution.

How does the above make that not possible?  Did you not review a single one?  It is obvious in the image review.

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Do you know what really isn't obvious?  As "primarily a Sony user" you should be used to much worse by now.  It seems to me that you're here to vent your bias rather than to try to draw attention to genuine issues.  Shall I take a trip to the Sony forum and tell you guys a few of the things wrong there?  It would be quite the book.  Samsung cameras do have some issues, for me this is not one of them.