Amazing Camera i ever used

Even today, over two years after its release, it is the best overall camera available.

Lifted wrote:

jeszkar wrote:

Slowly but surely I am getting more and more order as a photographer. So I know that in the next few months I am going to replace my Nx500 as my main camera. But I'm not sure what I should get. In one hand I would love to have an NX1 but it's still a dead system and seemingly no one want to pick up the system and continue it. If somehow technology would be picked up and used by another company then I would go to that company without hesitation.

But in the other hand the NX1/NX500 is probably the best APS-C sensor so it wouldn't be an easy choose for me. I could pick the A6500 which even has Image Stabilization while the NX1 doesn't.

I dealt with the exact same situation. I loved my NX500, especially the value of it, but I didn't feel comfortable continuing to buy lenses for a dead system. I felt like I was in a pretty difficult situation, as I didn't want to have to buy into completely new system someday without being able to sell my old gear and put that money towards it. Or at least being able to sell the old gear for a decent price.

I looked hard at going full frame with either Nikon (D750) or one of the various Sony models, but in the end went with the Fuji X-T2. The new 24 MP Fuji sensor seemed like a pretty big step up from their previous one, but I mostly just love the Fuji lens selection.

If I could have afforded to buy into a new system without selling my Samsung NX gear, I would have loved to, but I didn't really have that option.

Even though Fuji is my second favorite system, unfortunately isn't in NX territory yet, and missing some lenses (like the 16-50 S perfection, and the amazing 10mm fish eye) that are in my top 3 list (of use). Lack of touch screen and other very important aspects can't let me let go yet. And, the 2 Fuji flagships just arrived this year, we are not going to have a new one before 2018, and probably the first will be the photo specialized flagship.

Canon is at least 2 generations away, and when I go mirrorless, I want native lenses, that's why I am going mirrorless the first time. I adapt lenses, but most of the times I want them native.

Sony is just a camera announcement away from perfection, every time they seem to screw up somehow. I am expecting A7mark IIIs really soon, and at some point (maybe after 2 a6xx cameras in 7 months apart will chill a bit in the APS-C department, so probably 2018 for that, or more) they will have an a7000 or something, it HAS to be a great camera, no more excuses and poor choices.

The only system right NOW, is the Pana one. Amazing value for money, the G(X)80(85) just value for money right now, the coming GH5 it shapes to be the best hybrid for video ever made, and no holes in the lens line up (even though, again, the 16-50 S is a league of its own, I can't stress that enough after so many years without one!).

We will know for sure in a few days (GH4 and other cameras announcement in 4th of January), still we have to wait for availability, I definitely won't be an early adaptor (everytime I did, I paid it with some way!), so I am not sure if it will be available for ME before this summer, or September. Until then, I can't do with only a G85, or GX85, I need a professional body, so I'll be waiting and see.

Just thinking loudly, Happy new year to all Gregorian calendar countries!!

brownie112 wrote:

scottinlex wrote:

i miss mine. BUT, the A6500 is an amazing piece of tech. Just the variety of lens options alone would sway me if i was trying to decide between the two

Only if the a6500 had an equivalent 16-50S lens and better touch AF. Everything else is decent in that camera.

...and better battery, ergonomics, user interface, more stable heat dissipation, a native fish eye (my favorite NX lens after the 45mm) lens. The S lens is a unicorn, only one (in NX) exists.

jeszkar wrote:

I spoke about NX500 not the NX1. I don't have an NX1 so I compared the NX500's ergonomics to the Sony A6500.

And Sony has fast zoom lens but sadly you need an A to E-mount adapter. Or you instantly go to SLT line (I hear really good things about them). And as I can see the Adapter + the Sony 16-50mm f2.8 is still cheaper then the Samsung S 16-50mm f2.0-f2.8. And both of them seem like quality lenses.

People forget all the restrictions Sony forces on you when adapting A mount lenses.  Most A-mount lenses don't have focus motors (the 16-50 does though) and the LA_EA4 is pretty noisy.  And it is impossible to use AF at F/2.8 during video.   The list of problems goes on an on.

And for anyone worried about the NX system being dead, they might want to avoid the A mount system which Sony intentionally cripples (confirmed in A mount forum) and has near non-existent sales.

jeszkar wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

brownie112 wrote:

scottinlex wrote:

i miss mine. BUT, the A6500 is an amazing piece of tech. Just the variety of lens options alone would sway me if i was trying to decide between the two

Only if the a6500 had an equivalent 16-50S lens and better touch AF. Everything else is decent in that camera.

...and better battery, ergonomics, user interface, more stable heat dissipation, a native fish eye (my favorite NX lens after the 45mm) lens. The S lens is a unicorn, only one (in NX) exists.

The battery life is terrible in both system. For a full day event I have to bring 3 batteries (and I also keep a backup power bank for safety sake) . The user interface is better on Samsung that is true. Ergonomics not so much. NX500 would have OK ergonomics but it doesn't even has an EVF. And for heat dissipation I would not really trust in my system if it comes to that (actually I had to reset it a few times everything because one or another function "stuck and freeze" - like focus mode. And this only happened in hot enviroment or a very long shooting). The lens selection is still better on the Sony and that will expand latter on. The Samsung won't.

NX500 was 650euros official price almost a a month after was out, there is no comparison with the a6300 which is a 1300euros camera in my country right now. And NX500 does most things better than a6300.

Obviously the small NXes do not have EVF, if you haven't notice that and you bought one, then obviously there is something wrong with your decision making and critical thinking in general, not only cameras. NX500 on the other hand is a breeze to use, unlike a6300 (I mention this camera because it is the newest Sony I used for work recently) which doesn't even have a front wheel (duh..how difficult is to add one front wheel?), and ofcourse no touch screen whatsoever, while the NX's is a masterful implementation, and ofcourse no iFN function, that can choose almost everything with only a couple of turns of your lenses barrels.  NX really has at least 3 ways to do everything, and in NX1 you can have 4 or 5 different ways to adjust things. Truly outstanding.

I am not even mentioning NX1 ergonomics, Sony is far far away from that.

No one ever had any overheating issues with NX. Even when I moded the bitrate of the NX500 I recorded straight for almost 70 minutes (I had to stop because there is a 73 minutes time limit)  on quite warm theaters, or warm summer days (did 3 live events coverage this summer).

I used this summer my NX cameras the hottest day of this year (with the addition of dust from the Sahara desert, it is phenomenon that occurs with much greater tense the last few years, and because of the climate change it will get worst), and recorded straight for 64 minutes. In a much milder September day, we had to use only NX and the GH4, because the a6300 we had was overheating.

I have done a few projects with both NX and Sony cameras, for 2 NX1 and 3 NX500 batteries I had 5-7 batteries for A7ii/a6300. I have only 3 batteries for my NX1, and my co-workers hold 8 for Sonys, just to be sure, and charge every time they can because you are never sure (and for long Greek weddings, that the party stops the next day, it is a nightmare. I have never charge any of these 3 batteries even though I have stop shooting at 7-8 o'clock in the morning in some occasions, not straight 20 hours of course).

..and the lens selection is completely relative, if I wanted EF full frame lenses I would buy a 5D mark III or IV. Everyone is complaining at the Sony forums for not a new native APS-C lens the last 3(?I think it is three) years.

jeszkar wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

jeszkar wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

brownie112 wrote:

scottinlex wrote:

i miss mine. BUT, the A6500 is an amazing piece of tech. Just the variety of lens options alone would sway me if i was trying to decide between the two

Only if the a6500 had an equivalent 16-50S lens and better touch AF. Everything else is decent in that camera.

...and better battery, ergonomics, user interface, more stable heat dissipation, a native fish eye (my favorite NX lens after the 45mm) lens. The S lens is a unicorn, only one (in NX) exists.

The battery life is terrible in both system. For a full day event I have to bring 3 batteries (and I also keep a backup power bank for safety sake) . The user interface is better on Samsung that is true. Ergonomics not so much. NX500 would have OK ergonomics but it doesn't even has an EVF. And for heat dissipation I would not really trust in my system if it comes to that (actually I had to reset it a few times everything because one or another function "stuck and freeze" - like focus mode. And this only happened in hot enviroment or a very long shooting). The lens selection is still better on the Sony and that will expand latter on. The Samsung won't.

NX500 was 650euros official price almost a a month after was out, there is no comparison with the a6300 which is a 1300euros camera in my country right now. And NX500 does most things better than a6300.

Like I said I want to replace my NX500 with a better cam not buying a new one. So I don't really care how much it cost right now. And the NX1 has a very similar price tag to the A6500.

Obviously the small NXes do not have EVF, if you haven't notice that and you bought one, then obviously there is something wrong with your decision making and critical thinking in general, not only cameras. NX500 on the other hand is a breeze to use, unlike a6300 (I mention this camera because it is the newest Sony I used for work recently) which doesn't even have a front wheel (duh..how difficult is to add one front wheel?), and ofcourse no touch screen whatsoever, while the NX's is a masterful implementation, and ofcourse no iFN function, that can choose almost everything with only a couple of turns of your lenses barrels. NX really has at least 3 ways to do everything, and in NX1 you can have 4 or 5 different ways to adjust things. Truly outstanding.

I just said I don't want to buy an NX500 again, I want a camera which has a EVF. And the A6300/A6500 design is very similar to the NX500. And I don't even know what you means it has no frontal wheel. It has on of the top and one of the back just like NX500. The A6300 hasn't got touchscreen but the A6500 has touchscreen. But even if it would have not I would not care. I barely use my touchscreen on my NX500. For the menus I don't need, for Single point AF I always use the center focus point. If the touchscreen focus pulling would work on video that would be interesting but it doesn't. It somewhat works on the new Sony but not perfectly implemented to be fair (it doesn't follow the subject),

IFN is other thing I don't use. Why would I even need that? There is a wheel for the aperture already. I don't need 3-4 button, wheel, etc. for the same function. Those are just useless gimmicks. Yes the Samsung is far more user friendly when it comes to menus but how much time you need to learn the handling of a Sony cam?

I am not even mentioning NX1 ergonomics, Sony is far far away from that.

Maybe. If you want a DSLR like camera then sure. If you want more a camera with a MILC body then it is not.

No one ever had any overheating issues with NX. Even when I moded the bitrate of the NX500 I recorded straight for almost 70 minutes (I had to stop because there is a 73 minutes time limit) on quite warm theaters, or warm summer days (did 3 live events coverage this summer).

I used this summer my NX cameras the hottest day of this year (with the addition of dust from the Sahara desert, it is phenomenon that occurs with much greater tense the last few years, and because of the climate change it will get worst), and recorded straight for 64 minutes. In a much milder September day, we had to use only NX and the GH4, because the a6300 we had was overheating.

I has the NX500 since last January. The mentioned problem came out 3 times. At first I was in an internet free area in foreign country so I didn't even know what to do. The NX500 can have overheating problems as well. A6300 is probably worse in that question (although some people had less problem with that than others) but again as far as I aware the A6500 fixed that issue.

I have done a few projects with both NX and Sony cameras, for 2 NX1 and 3 NX500 batteries I had 5-7 batteries for A7ii/a6300. I have only 3 batteries for my NX1, and my co-workers hold 8 for Sonys, just to be sure, and charge every time they can because you are never sure (and for long Greek weddings, that the party stops the next day, it is a nightmare. I have never charge any of these 3 batteries even though I have stop shooting at 7-8 o'clock in the morning in some occasions, not straight 20 hours of course).

Even the official test says you can take around 30 extra picture with the NX500. That is not a great improvement. Hell if I shoot a stage for one and half - two hours I know I will definitely swap the battery near the end of show. Because it won't last that long. Again the NX1 is far better in that regard (which make sense it is bigger camera) but still probably you still need an extra battery for a day long shooting.

..and the lens selection is completely relative, if I wanted EF full frame lenses I would buy a 5D mark III or IV. Everyone is complaining at the Sony forums for not a new native APS-C lens the last 3(?I think it is three) years.

I would never buy a 5D Mark IV. It barely improved since Mark III (except maybe the AF system). Also the 4K of it is not really good especially when we compare it to the Samsung and Sony (outdated codec, soft picture, no flipping screen, no zebra and just like the NX500 it has an extra crop factor).

And again the lens selection of the Samsung is terrible. And you can be sure that there will be no improvement while in the Sony line there will be. Hell at least you can adept some auto lens for Sony for Samsung there is no option for that and never will be.

But to be fair the NX1 (and even the NX500) has some advantage the Sony like:

- 4 extra megapixel

- 4 extra fps

- headphone jack

- H265

But the Sony also have some advantage over the Samsung

- Better AF system (in-pair with the new Fuji cameras)

- In-built Image stabilization

- Log profile

And those 3 alone are just more important than better menus or the 4 extra fps.

And again it is a dead system. If you buy a new lens for the system it eventually will become absolutely useless and you will have a bunch of expansive glasses with no use at all. If there would be any news about somebody is picking up the system or at least the mount than it would be a different story.

90% of the professionals all over the world must be mistaken using Canon and Nikon cameras, and you thing most of us here are stupid not buying the a6500?

How many different cameras have you used this last year? It seems from your reply that all your "wisdom" comes from the spec sheets.

The "dSLR" type is around us for so many years for just one, and very important reason, it works. Have you ever used the a6xx series and a7 series handheld with adapted EF lenses (because, what's the point on Sony full frame ones?), it is not a very pleasant experience.

Go ahead and Sony, please.

(sorry, too bored to reply to you more appropriately, better find your answers on your own. Experience is a slow process).

Do some research on the A6500.

The touchscreen you mention is a complete fail.   Not only is there considerable lag, but it is near useless.   It is a different type than on your NX500 and smartphone and has difficulty recognizing most actions.   It can't be used to take a picture, it can't be used to change settings, it can't be used to change focal points most of the time (and when you can, you have to start at the old one and slide you finger hoping the screen registers all the movement), and overall can't do 1/10th of the things other cameras with touchscreens can do.

Do you want to take 4K video?   The A6500 dims the LCD to a near unusable level.

There are many more problems with the camera compared your NX500 that will disappoint you.