GR III coming in 2017?

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John Gellings Veteran Member • Posts: 4,304
Re: GR III coming in 2017?

Harold66 wrote:

John Gellings wrote:

Harold66 wrote:

John Gellings wrote:

I predict it'll be exactly the same with a new sensor.

Well I think we can assume there will be some other minor improvements like a slightly larger buffer, maybe a GPS function, maybe a optional external EVF among other things.

You can hope, but you cannot assume.

Sorry do not understand this. Sure I can assume. Does not mean I know. This is not what I hope for the Gr just what I assume. You can replace with predict if you prefer ??

You are assuming the GR has to have these things to compete, but to this day the camera sells.  Those of us that have used the GR over the last 10-20 years realize that it doesn't change much.

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Re: GR III coming in 2017?

John Gellings wrote:

Harold66 wrote:

John Gellings wrote:

Harold66 wrote:

John Gellings wrote:

I predict it'll be exactly the same with a new sensor.

Well I think we can assume there will be some other minor improvements like a slightly larger buffer, maybe a GPS function, maybe a optional external EVF among other things.

You can hope, but you cannot assume.

Sorry do not understand this. Sure I can assume. Does not mean I know. This is not what I hope for the Gr just what I assume. You can replace with predict if you prefer ??

You are assuming the GR has to have these things to compete,

John

I honestly do not get the purpose of your replies/ First of all please show me WHERE I wrote  that the GR has to have this or that to compete ?  I NEVER said that and I do  think that a new GR with a larger MP sensor would already sell well

but to this day the camera sells. Those of us that have used the GR over the last 10-20 years realize that it doesn't change much.

I never said otherwise. You are putting words in my mouth. You should read more carefully what I write before responding to it

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John Gellings Veteran Member • Posts: 4,304
Re: GR III coming in 2017?

Harold66 wrote:

John Gellings wrote:

Harold66 wrote:

John Gellings wrote:

Harold66 wrote:

John Gellings wrote:

I predict it'll be exactly the same with a new sensor.

Well I think we can assume there will be some other minor improvements like a slightly larger buffer, maybe a GPS function, maybe a optional external EVF among other things.

You can hope, but you cannot assume.

Sorry do not understand this. Sure I can assume. Does not mean I know. This is not what I hope for the Gr just what I assume. You can replace with predict if you prefer ??

You are assuming the GR has to have these things to compete,

John

I honestly do not get the purpose of your replies/ First of all please show me WHERE I wrote that the GR has to have this or that to compete ? I NEVER said that and I do think that a new GR with a larger MP sensor would already sell well

but to this day the camera sells. Those of us that have used the GR over the last 10-20 years realize that it doesn't change much.

I never said otherwise. You are putting words in my mouth. You should read more carefully what I write before responding to it

I think the mistake I made was when I wrote: "I predict it'll be exactly the same with a new sensor." and it says it is in response to you. I didn't mean to respond to you. After that you responded to me with... "I think we can assume there will be some other minor improvements like a slightly larger buffer, maybe a GPS function, maybe a optional external EVF among other things" which II took to mean you assume these will be in the camera.

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Re: GR III coming in 2017?

georg f wrote:

As mentioned in a previous post , here are the comments I had on your post

- eliminate the dust problem.

I do not think it is possible to "eliminate" the dust issue on a fixed lens camera with a self retracting lens. One can develop some technology to make it LESS of an issue but not prevent it completely

- ISO performance!! by at least 2 stops. this would be the biggest improvement, and i'll buy the new one immediatly, if it can achieve this!

I Think this is not a reasonable expectation. In any case the sensor is already known it will be the sony 24MP sensor . So there should be already reviews on the net about how the 24mp sensor performs compared to the 16MP noisewise

- really usable smartphone implementation.

Not sure what it means. Hope you do not refer to the GR user interface

- possibility to tilt the flash back (upwards), for bouncing against the ceiling. a simple, but very valuable feature.

I think this show the clear divide between GR users who use the flash regularly and those who do not ( this comes every time the built in evf  question comes in)

- a faster lens would be great, of course. but the current one is simply a work of art, the sharpness at f2.8 is nothing less than stunning. faster most probably would mean bigger, even retracted, which is not an option.

Do not know if I was qualify the sharpness at full aperture " stunning"

- image stabilization would be great! if this is possible within the size, please add that. it would be a lot more of a benefit than one stop faster aperture.

Again a built in IS would have to imply a larger body all other things being equal

- EVF of course would be great too, but again only if it is possible within the size constraints (flash needs to stay).

This is flash instead of EVF divide I mentioned earlier in this post. I think the flash versus EVF is probably close to an even split among long term GR users. and NO a built in high res EVF cannot be added and keeping the size the same when keeping the flash

- personally i would love a focus ring around the lens. i love manual focus, and there are quite some situations where any other means of focussing just won't cut it, but i never use it on the GR because it is so cumbersome.

Not a rational option on a self retracting lens

- - a version/branch with exchangeable lenses would indeed be great, very great!

This would be a different camera not a GR anymore

adopting the m-mount would be an obvious choice,

why?  if Ricoh ever develops an interchangeable lens camera using a manual focus mount would be a terrible choice

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Re: GR III coming in 2017?

John Gellings wrote:

I think the mistake I made was when I wrote: "I predict it'll be exactly the same with a new sensor." and it says it is in response to you. I didn't mean to respond to you.

OK

After that you responded to me with... "I think we can assume there will be some other minor improvements like a slightly larger buffer, maybe a GPS function, maybe a optional external EVF among other things" which II took to mean you assume these will be in the camera.

Well but regardless I do ASSUME this will be the case. I do not KNOW it but think it is fair that at least some of these would be included in a new model

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georg f Junior Member • Posts: 44
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As mentioned in a previous post , here are the comments I had on your post

thank you for taking the time!

- eliminate the dust problem.

I do not think it is possible to "eliminate" the dust issue on a fixed lens camera with a self retracting lens. One can develop some technology to make it LESS of an issue but not prevent it completely

the GR and GR II do have a dust problem, it is actually THE problem with the GR, everybody complains about that. this problem needs to be eliminated (as in: not more common as in any other camera with a retracting lens).

- ISO performance!! by at least 2 stops. this would be the biggest improvement, and i'll buy the new one immediatly, if it can achieve this!

I Think this is not a reasonable expectation. In any case the sensor is already known it will be the sony 24MP sensor . So there should be already reviews on the net about how the 24mp sensor performs compared to the 16MP noisewise

the new nikon D7200 does have 2 stops better iso performance - i would love to have that in the GR!
if you have reliable information about which sensor actually will be in use, please tell us

- really usable smartphone implementation.

Not sure what it means. Hope you do not refer to the GR user interface

the interface of the camera itself is superb, but the current smartphone implementation with the GR II is horrid, mostly because it looses connection all the time, and denies to reconnect reliably. a great, working implementation would be highly benefitial for some uses, and is something that is expected by customers in 2017.

- possibility to tilt the flash back (upwards), for bouncing against the ceiling. a simple, but very valuable feature.

I think this show the clear divide between GR users who use the flash regularly and those who do not ( this comes every time the built in evf question comes in)

flash or EVF is an obvious question, sure. all GRD models had a flash, therefore i assume it stays.
regarding the tilt-back feature in the current one it would have been very easy to realize that, and incredibly helpful to anyone using it indoors on people standing reasonably close.

- a faster lens would be great, of course. but the current one is simply a work of art, the sharpness at f2.8 is nothing less than stunning. faster most probably would mean bigger, even retracted, which is not an option.

Do not know if I was qualify the sharpness at full aperture " stunning"

nearly every review mentions the sharpness at fully open. however, i think we can agree that the current lens is a great lens?

- image stabilization would be great! if this is possible within the size, please add that. it would be a lot more of a benefit than one stop faster aperture.

Again a built in IS would have to imply a larger body all other things being equal

i think so too, and keeping the small size is more important. nevertheless, if the engineers can make it within the size, it would be great to have.

- EVF of course would be great too, but again only if it is possible within the size constraints (flash needs to stay).

This is flash instead of EVF divide I mentioned earlier in this post. I think the flash versus EVF is probably close to an even split among long term GR users. and NO a built in high res EVF cannot be added and keeping the size the same when keeping the flash

the sony rx100 is a smaller camera, and has both. it surely isn't easy to achieve, and should be well thought through. i'm not saying it should be done at all costs, but it is not impossible.

- personally i would love a focus ring around the lens. i love manual focus, and there are quite some situations where any other means of focussing just won't cut it, but i never use it on the GR because it is so cumbersome.

Not a rational option on a self retracting lens

an electronic ring, of course. there is a ring there, exactly where you expect a focus ring, just it has another use. it is up to the engineers, if both a filter adapter and a focus ring are feasible.

- - a version/branch with exchangeable lenses would indeed be great, very great!

This would be a different camera not a GR anymore

well, that is exaclty what i wrote further down. it was intended as kind of a reaction to ideas stated by other photographers.

adopting the m-mount would be an obvious choice,

why? if Ricoh ever develops an interchangeable lens camera using a manual focus mount would be a terrible choice

because it allows small lenses. fuji x-mount or sony e mount would be good options too. and, if possible within license regulations, the world really doesn't need jet another standard.

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Re: GR III coming in 2017?

georg f wrote:

As mentioned in a previous post , here are the comments I had on your post

thank you for taking the time!

No Problem

- eliminate the dust problem.

I do not think it is possible to "eliminate" the dust issue on a fixed lens camera with a self retracting lens. One can develop some technology to make it LESS of an issue but not prevent it completely

the GR and GR II do have a dust problem, it is actually THE problem with the GR, everybody complains about that.

No, not everybody . Just lots of people. enough for the issue to be considered real. I am not disputing this is an issue ( although It took me two years to get this issue on MY  GR and I have not got this issue on my GRII after two years also

this problem needs to be eliminated (as in: not more common as in any other camera with a retracting lens).

ok how do you think this can be achieved . do you know ANY camera with large sensor and self retracting lens that you know does NOT have this issue AT ALL ?

I got the issue on my LX100 after just a few months of use

- ISO performance!! by at least 2 stops. this would be the biggest improvement, and i'll buy the new one immediatly, if it can achieve this!

I Think this is not a reasonable expectation. In any case the sensor is already known it will be the sony 24MP sensor . So there should be already reviews on the net about how the 24mp sensor performs compared to the 16MP noisewise

the new nikon D7200 does have 2 stops better iso performance - i would love to have that in the GR!
if you have reliable information about which sensor actually will be in use, please tell us

Well it is almost certain that the sensor in the next GR will be the 24MP sony sensor which has been on many models on the last 2 years. You should be able to find some noise comparison between these two sensors, do you agree ?

- really usable smartphone implementation.

Not sure what it means. Hope you do not refer to the GR user interface

the interface of the camera itself is superb, but the current smartphone implementation with the GR II is horrid, mostly because it looses connection all the time, and denies to reconnect reliably. a great, working implementation would be highly benefitial for some uses, and is something that is expected by customers in 2017.

Ah ok, now I understand. YOu are probably right on that score

- possibility to tilt the flash back (upwards), for bouncing against the ceiling. a simple, but very valuable feature.

I think this show the clear divide between GR users who use the flash regularly and those who do not ( this comes every time the built in evf question comes in)

flash or EVF is an obvious question, sure. all GRD models had a flash, therefore i assume it stays.

Yeah you are probably right on this too

regarding the tilt-back feature in the current one it would have been very easy to realize that, and incredibly helpful to anyone using it indoors on people standing reasonably close.

- a faster lens would be great, of course. but the current one is simply a work of art, the sharpness at f2.8 is nothing less than stunning. faster most probably would mean bigger, even retracted, which is not an option.

Do not know if I was qualify the sharpness at full aperture " stunning"

nearly every review mentions the sharpness at fully open. however, i think we can agree that the current lens is a great lens?

YES we can agree on that for sure

- image stabilization would be great! if this is possible within the size, please add that. it would be a lot more of a benefit than one stop faster aperture.

Again a built in IS would have to imply a larger body all other things being equal

i think so too, and keeping the small size is more important. nevertheless, if the engineers can make it within the size, it would be great to have.

- EVF of course would be great too, but again only if it is possible within the size constraints (flash needs to stay).

This is flash instead of EVF divide I mentioned earlier in this post. I think the flash versus EVF is probably close to an even split among long term GR users. and NO a built in high res EVF cannot be added and keeping the size the same when keeping the flash

the sony rx100 is a smaller camera, and has both. it surely isn't easy to achieve, and should be well thought through. i'm not saying it should be done at all costs, but it is not impossible.

You are comparing apples and oranges . the sensor size is different

- personally i would love a focus ring around the lens. i love manual focus, and there are quite some situations where any other means of focussing just won't cut it, but i never use it on the GR because it is so cumbersome.

Not a rational option on a self retracting lens

an electronic ring, of course. there is a ring there, exactly where you expect a focus ring, just it has another use. it is up to the engineers, if both a filter adapter and a focus ring are feasible.

Not likely to happen

- - a version/branch with exchangeable lenses would indeed be great, very great!

This would be a different camera not a GR anymore

well, that is exaclty what i wrote further down. it was intended as kind of a reaction to ideas stated by other photographers.

OK

adopting the m-mount would be an obvious choice,

why? if Ricoh ever develops an interchangeable lens camera using a manual focus mount would be a terrible choice

because it allows small lenses. fuji x-mount or sony e mount would be good options too.

I do not agree with that. I think it should be AF mount and there is no reason to think they would not use a version of the K mount since they own Pentax now

and, if possible within license regulations, the world really doesn't need jet another standard.

That I agree with.

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adopting the m-mount would be an obvious choice,

why? if Ricoh ever develops an interchangeable lens camera using a manual focus mount would be a terrible choice

because it allows small lenses. fuji x-mount or sony e mount would be good options too.

I do not agree with that. I think it should be AF mount and there is no reason to think they would not use a version of the K mount since they own Pentax now

It was all going so well.  I was agreeing with both of you until that last statement of yours Harold.  A straight K mount would be a disaster.  That would be fine if the camera was a Pentax with the mirror removed, and I expect we will see mirrorless Pentax DSLR-style cameras soon.  But we're talking Ricoh GR style here and it must (I hope) have a short enough register distance to allow LM lens.  Unless you mean a mount plus smart adapter for K lenses?  Anyhow, a bit off topic now

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Re: GR III coming in 2017?

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adopting the m-mount would be an obvious choice,

why? if Ricoh ever develops an interchangeable lens camera using a manual focus mount would be a terrible choice

because it allows small lenses. fuji x-mount or sony e mount would be good options too.

I do not agree with that. I think it should be AF mount and there is no reason to think they would not use a version of the K mount since they own Pentax now

It was all going so well. I was agreeing with both of you until that last statement of yours Harold. A straight K mount would be a disaster. That would be fine if the camera was a Pentax with the mirror removed, and I expect we will see mirrorless Pentax DSLR-style cameras soon. But we're talking Ricoh GR style here and it must (I hope) have a short enough register distance to allow LM lens. Unless you mean a mount plus smart adapter for K lenses? Anyhow, a bit off topic now

Yes that s what I meant . A new mount for mirrorless but which still allow to use KA mount lenses with the proper adapter like Canon is doing on its M series for its EF lenses and Nikon on its 1 camera line for its dslr lenses

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Re: GR III coming in 2017?

Harold66 wrote:

Earthrise wrote:

adopting the m-mount would be an obvious choice,

why? if Ricoh ever develops an interchangeable lens camera using a manual focus mount would be a terrible choice

because it allows small lenses. fuji x-mount or sony e mount would be good options too.

I do not agree with that. I think it should be AF mount and there is no reason to think they would not use a version of the K mount since they own Pentax now

It was all going so well. I was agreeing with both of you until that last statement of yours Harold. A straight K mount would be a disaster. That would be fine if the camera was a Pentax with the mirror removed, and I expect we will see mirrorless Pentax DSLR-style cameras soon. But we're talking Ricoh GR style here and it must (I hope) have a short enough register distance to allow LM lens. Unless you mean a mount plus smart adapter for K lenses? Anyhow, a bit off topic now

Yes that s what I meant . A new mount for mirrorless but which still allow to use KA mount lenses with the proper adapter like Canon is doing on its M series for its EF lenses and Nikon on its 1 camera line for its dslr lenses

H

Cool, yep that makes sense, though leaves open what mount these adapters would attach to. Electronic LM, X, E, or another.  Though I tend to agree another would have a hard time gaining traction.

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georg f Junior Member • Posts: 44
Re: GR III coming in 2017?

- eliminate the dust problem.

I do not think it is possible to "eliminate" the dust issue on a fixed lens camera with a self retracting lens. One can develop some technology to make it LESS of an issue but not prevent it completely

the GR and GR II do have a dust problem, it is actually THE problem with the GR, everybody complains about that.

No, not everybody . Just lots of people. enough for the issue to be considered real. I am not disputing this is an issue ( although It took me two years to get this issue on MY GR and I have not got this issue on my GRII after two years also

this problem needs to be eliminated (as in: not more common as in any other camera with a retracting lens).

ok how do you think this can be achieved . do you know ANY camera with large sensor and self retracting lens that you know does NOT have this issue AT ALL ?

i think you don't get me here. it's not about 100% safety from any dust ever on the sensor, but it's about getting the number of cases down to what other cameras encounter. there are way too much cases with the GR, and everybody complains about that (not everybody has it, but everybody knows it and rightfully complains about it).

much more often in GR than in comparable cameras, this 'much more often' is the problem i (and everybody) is talking about. and this 'much more often' is the problem that really needs to be elimanted.

- ISO performance!! by at least 2 stops. this would be the biggest improvement, and i'll buy the new one immediatly, if it can achieve this!

I Think this is not a reasonable expectation. In any case the sensor is already known it will be the sony 24MP sensor . So there should be already reviews on the net about how the 24mp sensor performs compared to the 16MP noisewise

the new nikon D7200 does have 2 stops better iso performance - i would love to have that in the GR!
if you have reliable information about which sensor actually will be in use, please tell us

Well it is almost certain that the sensor in the next GR will be the 24MP sony sensor which has been on many models on the last 2 years. You should be able to find some noise comparison between these two sensors, do you agree ?

while it would be no surprise to anyone if ricoh uses that proven sensor, this fact doesn't omit the possibility that ricoh puts the next generation of sensors into a new GR. 2 years old is a long time in the digital market. ricoh did act conservative in some choices of hardware, but nevertheless, sensors with 2 stops more ISO sensitivity not only do exist right now, but even are in consumer products since nearly 2 years already, so in a way time is due that the GR adapts the technically possible, being a flagship model of it's niche. many users would highly benfit from that.

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georg f wrote:

while it would be no surprise to anyone if ricoh uses that proven sensor, this fact doesn't omit the possibility that ricoh puts the next generation of sensors into a new GR.

The possibility exists but it is so unlikely. Ricoh NEVER put a brand new sensor in its G camera simply because they have to buy the sensor from third party vendors and they probably get a better price that way. Not going to happen

2 years old is a long time in the digital market. ricoh did act conservative in some choices of hardware, but nevertheless, sensors with 2 stops more ISO sensitivity not only do exist right now, but even are in consumer products since nearly 2 years already, so in a way time is due that the GR adapts the technically possible, being a flagship model of it's niche. many users would highly benfit from that.

This seems farfetched. The real question is : what do you  think is the improvement between the current 16 mp sensor and the 24mP sensor ?

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Harold66 wrote:

georg f wrote:

while it would be no surprise to anyone if ricoh uses that proven sensor, this fact doesn't omit the possibility that ricoh puts the next generation of sensors into a new GR.

The possibility exists but it is so unlikely. Ricoh NEVER put a brand new sensor in its G camera simply because they have to buy the sensor from third party vendors and they probably get a better price that way. Not going to happen

2 years old is a long time in the digital market. ricoh did act conservative in some choices of hardware, but nevertheless, sensors with 2 stops more ISO sensitivity not only do exist right now, but even are in consumer products since nearly 2 years already, so in a way time is due that the GR adapts the technically possible, being a flagship model of it's niche. many users would highly benfit from that.

This seems farfetched. The real question is : what do you think is the improvement between the current 16 mp sensor and the 24mP sensor ?

H

If I can jump in to support Harold with my own point of view.

Ricoh has had the happy knack of never quite directly superseding the earlier principal design ethic. Therefore an old GRD/GR can remain in use for many years after it has been technically superseded.

For instance the main attributes of earlier GRD/GR bodies that have kept them young over the years:

GRD, GRDII - these were simple operation cameras with a get-it-done attitude. Flawed in many ways they were very habit forming as Ricoh actually made a compact camera that was designed for serious users. They did not mess around with such nicities as noise reduction and the original GRD produced unique grainy black and white images that are still very worth while whilst the overdone noise reduction of rival products looked "pasty" and other cameras of that era have long since been forgotten.

GRDIII, GRDIV - these cameras suddenly became standout technical cameras - firmware was like a labyrinth, but had become very powerful, the human interface had kept pace, the "accidental" genius of the rocker lever control was now standardised as a "Ricoh feature" and The real smarts of the GRD was that Ricoh made a professional level camera in a compact camera format that was otherwise dominated by cheaper easy-cameras for the casual consumer market. The lens was redesigned and was now faster.

There was little to compare between the first base design and the second other than the basic shape and intent.

The GR, GRII - made another tangential move - now the advantages of a serious size sensor was tapped. The complex firmware was retained and a few little-use functions from the GXR series added - such as the multi-type focus peaking (which is good but one might wonder how much it is used on a camera whose MF capabilities are meagre) - at least Ricoh allows Focus Peaking in AF mode so that DoF can be visualised. Magnified in Mode2 the precise points of focus selected can be readily seen.

Setting up and using focus peaking on a GR was so obscure that I had to draw myself a diagram as to how to get back out of it again

In any case the GR is such a different camera that it does not replace my GRDIV close focus mavin with its additonal carry-advantage of being physically smaller.

To my mind the GR is a fixed-lens compressed-size version of the GXR with 28mm module.

Where next for Ricoh?

Well the demise of the GXR left a big hole in the replaceable lensed mirrorless line up that Ricoh/Pentax offered. Since the unfortunate K-01 Ricoh/Pentax has abandoned the growth area of the camera body market. All the innovation of the GXR concept is locked up in their patents and not translated into a market product.

Unfortunately Ricoh carries the burden of being regarded as an "odd" niche manufacturer and we can only speculate on whether they are willing to re-open the GXR niche or continue their long term love affair with he GRD/GR type. However from my reckoning there is not a lot of milage left in the development of the GR to enable a new wonder-camera named the GRIII to truly amaze us - simply more refinement of the well regarded GR - but such a GRIII would be breaking the Ricoh tradition of delighting us with every second model issue.

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If no GRIII is coming from Ricoh 2017 there is a rumor for a Sony fixed lens (23/1,8) with  the A6500 sensor in RX1 size and optic-electronic IBIS. I would be interested!

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Re: GR III coming in 2017?

Sabud wrote:

If no GRIII is coming from Ricoh 2017 there is a rumor for a Sony fixed lens (23/1,8) with the A6500 sensor in RX1 size and optic-electronic IBIS. I would be interested!

Me too...

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Tom Caldwell Forum Pro • Posts: 34,911
Re: GR III coming in 2017?

John Gellings wrote:

Sabud wrote:

If no GRIII is coming from Ricoh 2017 there is a rumor for a Sony fixed lens (23/1,8) with the A6500 sensor in RX1 size and optic-electronic IBIS. I would be interested!

Me too...

Sony make great cameras, good sensors, good evf and lcd, lenses are worthy.  Pity that their user ergonomics are not as good.

As far as the GR is concerned it is probably not quite as advanced a camera as the GRDIV was and perhaps losing a little of its "way" in the progress to the larger sensor size.  More popularist in appeal but losing a little more of its compact size in the process.

It is a very advanced camera with great ergonomics and high image quality.  Myself I struggle to see what more can be done.  Maybe there are many smaller updates that can be made - there always are.  But the GRIII would normally be expected to be a tour de force from Ricoh and that is where I remain to hold myself to be truly amazed.  I hope that I am as my GR doesn't get as much use as it should these days.

But if we consider what is being offered around the traps of the other suppliers it seems that tricky video, high speed capture and focus stacking have become the norm.  These are not Ricoh-type features.  Above all Ricoh has provided for the traditional stills-image market.  Their firmware is brilliant but is coming from a different direction.

I look forward to what new wonder-rabbits that Ricoh might pull out of their magic hat as they have done some great things in the past.  But a warmed over GR/GRII is just that and does not necessarily advance the long standing aura of what the GRD/GR actually represents. When the GRD ran out of ideas they made the GR.  I hope they have plenty of ideas left for the GR.

My take was to make a break with the fixed prime 28mm lens - it can still be a module - and make the GRII after the GXR concept.  Ricoh/Pentax don't truly make a mirrorless replacable lens camera body.  If the GXR concept was killed off it might take years for them to get a head of steam up again for the glaring hole that it has left in their product line.

But whatever they do it will obviously be interesting as Ricoh cameras always are.

But they must refresh their market as rusted in Ricoh users such as myself have drifted away to more versatile, if not necessarily better, pastures and here we are talking about Sony offering an alternative as well.

I have the "classic" Ricoh digital bodies: GRD, GRDIV, GXR-M, GR, R4 (yes the R4 was a classic as well) - and I always will have them.  There are a few more in the stable but like a made-over GR (as perhaps the GRIII might be) there is less "keep" and more "passing interest".

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Re: GR III coming in 2017?

John Gellings wrote:

Sabud wrote:

If no GRIII is coming from Ricoh 2017 there is a rumor for a Sony fixed lens (23/1,8) with the A6500 sensor in RX1 size and optic-electronic IBIS. I would be interested!

Me too...

Me, three.  It would have to handle well and produce good skin tones, but I'd certainly be interested in something like that.  Make it the same size as the Fuji X70 or Coolpix A, if it's not as small as the GR.  That would be a lot of fun.  Something closer to a digital Contax T3?

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Archiver wrote:

John Gellings wrote:

Sabud wrote:

If no GRIII is coming from Ricoh 2017 there is a rumor for a Sony fixed lens (23/1,8) with the A6500 sensor in RX1 size and optic-electronic IBIS. I would be interested!

Me too...

Me, three. It would have to handle well and produce good skin tones, but I'd certainly be interested in something like that. Make it the same size as the Fuji X70 or Coolpix A, if it's not as small as the GR. That would be a lot of fun. Something closer to a digital Contax T3?

Well if it is RX1 size it is not even close to the GR size

Plus sony menus and user interface and a 35mm FOV. completely different . Not interested at all

I do not know what people outside the three of you think but if the GR was to get extinct I do not see anything that could replace it in terms of the way I use mine

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Re: GR III coming in 2017?

Archiver wrote:

John Gellings wrote:

Sabud wrote:

If no GRIII is coming from Ricoh 2017 there is a rumor for a Sony fixed lens (23/1,8) with the A6500 sensor in RX1 size and optic-electronic IBIS. I would be interested!

Me too...

Me, three. It would have to handle well and produce good skin tones, but I'd certainly be interested in something like that. Make it the same size as the Fuji X70 or Coolpix A, if it's not as small as the GR. That would be a lot of fun. Something closer to a digital Contax T3?

Not everyone likes the Sony colours, particularly skintones. Have you seen this? It might help:

http://www. eoshd.com/2016/11/now-available-eoshd-pro-color-for-sony-cameras-including-a7s-ii-a7r-ii-and-a6300/

I can't give a normal link to eoshd, so you will need to remove the space in the above

If I picked up a Sony cam, I'd give this profile a go.

Cheers

Al

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Re: count me out

But a 24 mp without stabilization ....more risk of camera shake without a good oss?

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