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$1999 for an M6

Started Nov 2, 2016 | Polls
Lawrencew Veteran Member • Posts: 4,861
$1999 for an M6

If it had the feature set of the new OM-D E-M1 II would you pay $1999 for an M6?

e.g....

  • High speed autofocus with 121 cross-type AF points
  • 18fps in continuous mode
  • EVF with 6ms response rate, frame rate of 120fps
  • 50-Megapixel High Res Shot capability
  • 4K Video Capture at 30fps and 102Mbps bit-rate
  • Dual SD Card
  • New improved battery with 40% greater performance
  • High speed battery charging in 2 hours or under
  • USB 3.0 Connectivity for high-speed image transfer to computers.
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Yes. I just want the best pro Canon MILC
27.6% 16  votes
I want the features, but not at any price. $1999? Ouch!
20.7% 12  votes
No. I want my MILCs small in nature and small in price
19.0% 11  votes
No. an M5 is all I need.
32.8% 19  votes
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Vlasty Senior Member • Posts: 1,856
Re: $1999 for an M6
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50meg sports shooter, on an APS sensor? No way.

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OP Lawrencew Veteran Member • Posts: 4,861
Re: $1999 for an M6

Vlasty wrote:

50meg sports shooter, on an APS sensor? No way.

I was just quoting the OMD specs.  That's for the high res mode, not the sensor MP

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crashpc Veteran Member • Posts: 7,235
Re: $1999 for an M6
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Couldn´t pick an answer. I would pay for different features set. Not this one. I can´t see many customers for what Sony does with their RX100, A6500, or Olympus now. It´s overkill where not needed, and not good enough where needed. And price close to insane for what it is.

My opinion of course…

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Vlasty Senior Member • Posts: 1,856
Re: $1999 for an M6

Lawrencew wrote:

Vlasty wrote:

50meg sports shooter, on an APS sensor? No way.

I was just quoting the OMD specs. That's for the high res mode, not the sensor MP

Ahh. I see. 2k for that with APS? More lenses would have ro be available for me, but I would rather have the Fuji X-T2 (which I have).

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whakapu Senior Member • Posts: 1,051
Re: $1999 for an M6
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Nope. For an M6 to be worth that it would need to have other features, some of which the EMII has: weather sealing, IBIS, fully articulated screen. I don't care about 4K and the AF may not be far off anyway. M5, judging by the EMII samples, will have much better image quality and M6 would need to be better still.  I personally wouldn't mind if Canon brought back an APS-H sensor. A $2000 body would require an optional battery grip and I'd require weather sealed versions of the existing native lenses along with a couple of new fast native lenses, ideally with Fuji style aperture rings.  But the main thing that would justify the price would be some new sensor tech that leapfrogs Sony.

OP Lawrencew Veteran Member • Posts: 4,861
Re: $1999 for an M6

whakapu wrote:

Nope. For an M6 to be worth that it would need to have other features, some of which the EMII has: weather sealing, IBIS, fully articulated screen. I don't care about 4K and the AF may not be far off anyway. M5, judging by the EMII samples, will have much better image quality and M6 would need to be better still. I personally wouldn't mind if Canon brought back an APS-H sensor. A $2000 body would require an optional battery grip and I'd require weather sealed versions of the existing native lenses along with a couple of new fast native lenses, ideally with Fuji style aperture rings. But the main thing that would justify the price would be some new sensor tech that leapfrogs Sony.

I wasn't suggesting only that spec I quoted, but equivalent to the OMD's spec. So IBIS, eyc

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Alan Sh Senior Member • Posts: 2,757
Re: $1999 for an M6 - Sony need to be worried
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I saw the OM specs this morning - my first thought was "Sony should be worried as it beats the 6500 hands down".

I didn't see it as a competitor to the M5. But if Canon came out with an "M6" with those specs for that price, I would seriously consider it.

Alan

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loitokitok Senior Member • Posts: 2,303
Re: $1999 for an M6

whakapu wrote:

Nope. For an M6 to be worth that it would need to have other features, some of which the EMII has: weather sealing, IBIS, fully articulated screen. I don't care about 4K and the AF may not be far off anyway. M5, judging by the EMII samples, will have much better image quality and M6 would need to be better still. I personally wouldn't mind if Canon brought back an APS-H sensor. A $2000 body would require an optional battery grip and I'd require weather sealed versions of the existing native lenses along with a couple of new fast native lenses, ideally with Fuji style aperture rings. But the main thing that would justify the price would be some new sensor tech that leapfrogs Sony.

I would be prepared to bet that if Canon (or any other manufacturer come to that) were to put up some proposed future products with a list of features for each there would always be as many people on this site that react negatively to them as those that do positively.

In other words, for people who have such strong opinions as to what they want (or don't want), sadly there is actually very little point in manufacturers asking most consumers. And if they do they end up with a Ford Edsel.

hobbyist84 Regular Member • Posts: 302
Re: $1999 for an M6
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Personally I'm not paying that much for anything not full frame right now.  and it's a weird tech time tof do so.  4k improvements are happening fast and this 4k 30 out now will be absolutely crappie compared to what will be out in 18 months.  it's kind of like buying a HGTV for 10 grand in the early 2000s that runs 720p  it's just not the time to shell out for high end video.  either go cheap or wait a year or more for the tech to catch up.

I wonder if this will over heat like everything else as well

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lumenite Senior Member • Posts: 1,207
Re: $1999? It must be FF ML.
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Think of Sony A6500. At $1400, it provides IBIS, 425 AF points, 11 fps with a large buffer, and 4K. The only thing that it lacks seems weather sealing feature.

60 fps of OMD EM1 mk2 is overspec for most users.

At $2000, I would choose Sony A7 ii rather than OMD EM1 mk2.

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trungtran Senior Member • Posts: 1,747
Re: $1999? It must be FF ML.

+1

I would pay 2k for a full frame. For a crop, no way.

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Ben Herrmann
Ben Herrmann Forum Pro • Posts: 21,163
Ohhhh, this is such a sore spot with me...
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To see this ridiculous $2000 price level for the E-M1 Mk II body sent me screaming bloody murder.  I've also been a long time Micro 43 user (along with other systems), but this move by Olympus has put a very bad taste in my mouth.  What were they thinking to price this thing at a Full Frame body price?  I don't care if they somehow managed to design it to "give head" also, 2K is friekin' ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, that cinched it for me.  No more M43 purchases for me.  Will now just focus on the Fuji X system and the EOS-M system.

In other-words you digital M Homies - don't bit_ch and moan about the price of the M5.  It sounds pretty reasonable now.

OK - rant done.

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DA photo Regular Member • Posts: 275
Re: $1999 for an M6
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What level of photography are you guys and women doing? I am a former professional who has had his own business, shot newspaper general news and sports, portraits in my own studio and sold a few landscapes. I have used a number of digital and film bodies. I used to figure out my own fill flash with Vivitar 283s better than my Canons do today. I have had film 35mm, digital and MF for weddings. I had my own film darkroom and I have my digital darkroom. I have been doing this for a long time. I have had Sony NEX and now an M3 that has way too many options and bad and confusing UI. It makes very good pictures, however. I shoot large swim meets  I use 10 fps for starts mostly. I have a 7DII which is entirely satisfactory. I don't how I ever got by with a 6MP D60. Ten FPS is fine. Who wants to process 30fps. Give me any decent current camera and I will be happy. I have had two EVFs. The Canon is 2.6 rate. They are not near as good as the OVF on the 7DII. I don't care how many fps a mirrorless has I won't use it for sports because of EVF limitations.  I have used lots worse gear professionally than I have today quite successfully.  My question is simply what level of photography requires all these bells and whitles and complicated operating systems that you all are so fussy and particular about?. I must be missing something.

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Don Karner Senior Member • Posts: 1,781
Re: Ohhhh, this is such a sore spot with me...

Ben Herrmann wrote:

What were they thinking to price this thing at a Full Frame body price? I don't care if they somehow managed to design it to "give head" also, 2K is friekin' ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, that cinched it for me. No more M43 purchases for me. Will now just focus on the Fuji X system and the EOS-M system.

In other-words you digital M Homies - don't bit_ch and moan about the price of the M5. It sounds pretty reasonable now.

You know Ben, I will read DPReview as long as you continue posting here.  You never fail to say honest things and at the same time give me a chuckle!  Yep, I agree with you.  I expect the M5 images will mop the floor with the stills from theOly flagship, despite all those bells and whistles and speed. At half the price. Its the stills I want, and now the M5 looks quite reasonable in price. Can't wait.

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Jorginho Forum Pro • Posts: 15,368
Never heard of the G80/85 it seems

Em1-mkII is equated to all mFTs......May be a monochrome cam is something for you.

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Vlasty Senior Member • Posts: 1,856
Re: $1999 for an M6

Well said.

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trungtran Senior Member • Posts: 1,747
Re: $1999 for an M6

DA photo wrote:

What level of photography are you guys and women doing? I am a former professional who has had his own business, shot newspaper general news and sports, portraits in my own studio and sold a few landscapes. I have used a number of digital and film bodies. I used to figure out my own fill flash with Vivitar 283s better than my Canons do today. I have had film 35mm, digital and MF for weddings. I had my own film darkroom and I have my digital darkroom. I have been doing this for a long time. I have had Sony NEX and now an M3 that has way too many options and bad and confusing UI. It makes very good pictures, however. I shoot large swim meets I use 10 fps for starts mostly. I have a 7DII which is entirely satisfactory. I don't how I ever got by with a 6MP D60. Ten FPS is fine. Who wants to process 30fps. Give me any decent current camera and I will be happy. I have had two EVFs. The Canon is 2.6 rate. They are not near as good as the OVF on the 7DII. I don't care how many fps a mirrorless has I won't use it for sports because of EVF limitations. I have used lots worse gear professionally than I have today quite successfully. My question is simply what level of photography requires all these bells and whitles and complicated operating systems that you all are so fussy and particular about?. I must be missing something.

Not a pro and never sold an image. Won a photo competition once on a fishing site but that's about it.

We don't need these specs but this is a gear site, so you are barking up the wrong tree.

There are 2 types of people in this world.

1 - satisfied with the status quo, accept and make the most of what you have.

2 - go getters that want to improve all aspects

For things i'm passionate about, i am a "type 2" person. Whether its photography or work or some other interest. There are always better tools out there, better way of doing things. People like us is why we have all these improvements in the last 50 years of photography. New improvements are always welcomed, whether i need or not, it moves photography forward.

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M02 Contributing Member • Posts: 603
Re: $1999 for an M6

It appeals to me but I'm not sure if I would buy it. I'm hoping the M5 will be the only camera I'm going to need.

But even if I would not buy it, I think it's important for a series like this to have a flagship model that commands respect, and attracts people to the system, who then buy the lower end models.

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whakapu Senior Member • Posts: 1,051
Re: $1999 for an M6
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So basically you're saying Canon is right not to jump on what they call an immature technology? I tend to agree with Canon on that.

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