On Tap...

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Iain G Foulds
Iain G Foulds Veteran Member • Posts: 3,877
On Tap...
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... Watched a few Tap videos this week. Seems a decent enough fellow- a little lonely- but he does have some worthwhile perspectives on things, offers some good advice, and genuinely tries to share sensible and affordable options. Like, his advice on cleaning equipment was excellent and very conscientious.

... He seems more The Amusing Photographer, than "angry", but they are his videos. And, in the end, even if he is taking a contrary position on a product simply for the sake of attention and fame, he is ultimately serving to bring atttention to, and interest in, the product.

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MrScrooge Contributing Member • Posts: 746
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Iain G Foulds wrote:

... Watched a few Tap videos this week. Seems a decent enough fellow- a little lonely- but he does have some worthwhile perspectives on things, offers some good advice, and genuinely tries to share sensible and affordable options. Like, his advice on cleaning equipment was excellent and very conscientious.

... He seems more The Amusing Photographer, than "angry", but they are his videos. And, in the end, even if he is taking a contrary position on a product simply for the sake of attention and fame, he is ultimately serving to bring atttention to, and interest in, the product.

I used to like his videos back when I was bit more ignorant. Most people who are passionate about something usually have something useful to say on the subject - even if it is buried inamongst opinion and pseudo-fact that can be misleading if you don't have the experience to evaluate the quality of information being given.

I would never recommend his channel to a newcomer to photography.

Although he isn't sponsored, his biases drastically skew his reviews somewhat tainting them, and his motives are clear. He has established opinions about some of the more controversial aspects of lenses in his previous videos and is now heavily personally invested in defending his position. He also seems to value being perceived as smarter than other people - and seems to think that quoting random greek philosophy is a means to that end.

These are the motivations behind everything he says (in my opinion) over any ethos of truth, objectiveness, open mindedness or teaching.

One thing that annoys me about the channel is that he loves to say he was the first to cover things but his information is mostly regurgitated content already on the web.

Honestly - his channel doesn't really have much photography content. There's a wee bit of camera body and accessory stuff but it's mostly him banging on about old lenses. If he put the same effort into trying to teach photographic skills I wonder if he would have anything worthwhile to share.

paulski66
paulski66 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,418
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No one here cares about The Angry Pornographer (outside of a handful of syncophants and/or the various troll accounts he's created to hound legitimate users of these fora), any more than they care about Ken Rockwell.

Stop trying to make it happen.

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Brian From WI Contributing Member • Posts: 940
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Ian instigating once again.

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Iain G Foulds
OP Iain G Foulds Veteran Member • Posts: 3,877
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... What is wrong with you both?

... Just one man offering his thoughts on an issue. Do you always have to agree with everyone to make up your own opinions?

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primeshooter
primeshooter Veteran Member • Posts: 5,094
Re: Are you his personal mouthpiece?
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paulski66 wrote:

No one here cares about The Angry Pornographer (outside of a handful of syncophants and/or the various troll accounts he's created to hound legitimate users of these fora), any more than they care about Ken Rockwell.

Stop trying to make it happen.

The word is sycophant. And secondly, kind of a pot and kettle situation here isn't it? We've seen you practically bow down to certain folks in here, so be careful using that phrase.

cm71td Regular Member • Posts: 464
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Iain G Foulds wrote:

... Watched a few Tap videos this week. Seems a decent enough fellow- a little lonely- but he does have some worthwhile perspectives on things, offers some good advice, and genuinely tries to share sensible and affordable options. Like, his advice on cleaning equipment was excellent and very conscientious.

... He seems more The Amusing Photographer, than "angry", but they are his videos. And, in the end, even if he is taking a contrary position on a product simply for the sake of attention and fame, he is ultimately serving to bring atttention to, and interest in, the product.

The funny thing is that he wanted you banned from this forum:

It's good see that you two are getting along now.

Iain G Foulds
OP Iain G Foulds Veteran Member • Posts: 3,877
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... cm7: Do you have any thoughts on my original post?

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cm71td Regular Member • Posts: 464
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Iain G Foulds wrote:

... cm7: Do you have any thoughts on my original post?

Yes, people like TAP are toxic to civil discourse.  You've seen yourself what he, his sock puppets, and his dogmatic followers have done to the tone of this forum over the last few weeks.  In fact you were the one who called for a moderator.

Unless of course you feel that "This lens tears off the head of that other lens and poops down it's neck" is objective and valuable advise.

Brian From WI Contributing Member • Posts: 940
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I'll try to be on point of what I think the OP may have intended this to be...

Start with..

So, anyone who agrees with or has the same opinion as him are sock puppets?

That's one side of the extreme.  The other side is that some people think that they are right and everyone else is stupid.  In the end, it's all the same.  Someone thinks that their opinion is fact.

Kind of like at work, the people who complain about not having enough time to do anything are the ones that you always see chit chatting.

Kind of like people who complain about other people's personal attacks, but they are the ones that do it the most.  Just because it's passive aggressive doesn't mean it's not a personal insult.

In the end, It's entertainment value.  He's not for everyone.  I don't know his background, but he seams educated and can talk like he knows what he's talking about.  Yes, he is highly opinionated, any lens that has more than 5 elements is no good in his eyes.

People who don't like his way of talking will insult the guy for talking like he does.  How is most of this thread any different than what he does that you all are complaining about?

If you wade through TAP's stuff, there is some very good, helpful stuff.  You just need to sift through his "BS" to get to it.   Is that description much different from the OP's?

Threads like this is a great way to divide people that supposedly came together to share a similar "passion"

I don't know or care if Marianne is a woman or man.  Anyone see the movie "the people vs larry flint?  There is that part when the religious guy is suing larry flint for slander.  It was dropped because when people say such crazy stuff that is so far in left field that it's not accurate?  I apply that to TAP a lot.

You guys make it out like he is starting a cult or something.  I personally like the 105mm 1.4, but I'm not old school.

I don't know where TAP got his money, but he's got a lot of stuff.  He can talk smart when he isn't repeating himself or ranting.  I'm ADD and can relate to some of that.  Then again, I have pretty thick skin and hold myself to the same standards I hold others to.

In conclusion, I'm not sure if the OP was stirring the pot or wants real discussion on the matter.  So here is my opinion that I tried to type in a  neutral way.

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Iain G Foulds
OP Iain G Foulds Veteran Member • Posts: 3,877
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... Brian: I'm with you on having to "wade through his stuff". Found that he makes his points in the first quarter of his videos, then repeats himself for the rest. And, he wildly exaggerates everything, but that is just his style.

... But, he is just one man with an opinion and a video camera- take it or leave it. I'm not promoting him, but it just seems that people wildly overestimate his power and influence. The bottom line in my OP is that whether people are promoting or criticizing a product, they are still bringing attention to the product, and people can make up their own minds.

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Brian From WI Contributing Member • Posts: 940
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Iain G Foulds wrote:

... Brian: I'm with you on having to "wade through his stuff". Found that he makes his points in the first quarter of his videos, then repeats himself for the rest. And, he wildly exaggerates everything, but that is just his style.

... But, he is just one man with an opinion and a video camera- take it or leave it. I'm not promoting him, but it just seems that people wildly overestimate his power and influence. The bottom line in my OP is that whether people are promoting or criticizing a product, they are still bringing attention to the product, and people can make up their own minds.

Well said.

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fishy wishy
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MrScrooge wrote:

Although he isn't sponsored, his biases drastically skew his reviews somewhat tainting them, and his motives are clear. He has established opinions about some of the more controversial aspects of lenses in his previous videos and is now heavily personally invested in defending his position. He also seems to value being perceived as smarter than other people

That rings true enough, and I've only seen one of his videos right through. He also thinks he's clever in succeeding in provoking people, whereas I would think on a Piaget-like scale of personal development, that ranks quite low.

tbasher Forum Member • Posts: 95
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fishy wishy wrote:

MrScrooge wrote:

Although he isn't sponsored, his biases drastically skew his reviews somewhat tainting them, and his motives are clear. He has established opinions about some of the more controversial aspects of lenses in his previous videos and is now heavily personally invested in defending his position. He also seems to value being perceived as smarter than other people

That rings true enough, and I've only seen one of his videos right through. He also thinks he's clever in succeeding in provoking people, whereas I would think on a Piaget-like scale of personal development, that ranks quite low.

LOL, I just heard his Russian.  If that is the best he can do then he learned a few phrases off the internet and pronounces them with an atrocious accent.

Maybe he could do a full length video in Russian. He could get an entirely new group of followers. How about it Ken. After that you can do some in each of your other 5 non English languages.

Haha, let the excuses begin...

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Yake Senior Member • Posts: 1,531
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Iain G Foulds wrote:

... Watched a few Tap videos this week. Seems a decent enough fellow- a little lonely- but he does have some worthwhile perspectives on things, offers some good advice, and genuinely tries to share sensible and affordable options. Like, his advice on cleaning equipment was excellent and very conscientious.

... He seems more The Amusing Photographer, than "angry", but they are his videos. And, in the end, even if he is taking a contrary position on a product simply for the sake of attention and fame, he is ultimately serving to bring atttention to, and interest in, the product.

He is not amusing to me. Rather -

- he trashes gear he has never used;

- he trashes gear based on photos he's seen on Flickr, having no idea how they were processed;

- he trashes gear he has used, but without offering any comparative evidence to gear that he recommends;

- he trashes people who disagree with him with names like "cockroaches", etc., and is often really mean to people online;

- he pretends to be some know-it-all about photography mainly based on his collection of lenses and flashes, not any work that he can show;

- he claims to be smarter than anyone on the topics he discusses, even the engineers who actually design lenses, again because he has some ridiculous collection of gear and has apparently done some camera/lens repairs.

- he blocks or bans people who post critical comments under his videos, giving the false impression that his comments are nearly all positive;

- he impersonates TAP "supporters" with various user accounts, but then stupidly reveals his true identity with his unique signature phrases;

- when he posts photos as examples of some lens characteristics, he sees what he wants to see;

- he uses silly click-bait video titles;

- he has a narrow-minded view of wedding photography, including how it's done and what gear should be used;

- he purports to give "Pro Tips" but doesn't seem to be a pro photographer, seems more like a prosumer who occasionally makes money at photography;

- he has an intense anti-Sigma agenda so he he takes numerous opportunities to bash Sigma, sometimes repeating the same anti-Sigma trash talk over and over again in various comments, such as on PetaPixel. He'll just keep repeating it, in case you missed it the 1st, or 2nd, or 3rd time;

- he promotes some gear as having very high build quality when it actually doesn't;

- he goes on and on about high element count vs. low element count without any actual proof (and, no, Yannick's articles don't provide the proof that either of them think they do);

- his main actual credential seems to be that he worked behind the counter at a camera store (or a few), as if that counts for much;

I could go on, but have wasted enough time on this character.

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paulski66
paulski66 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,418
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Iain G Foulds wrote:

... But, he is just one man with an opinion and a video camera- take it or leave it.

I'd like to leave it, as would 95% of the posters on this forum. He's created endless troll accounts to badger legitimate users here, including harassing people with personal messages. Enough is enough.

I'm not promoting him,

Then stop promoting him.

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MrScrooge Contributing Member • Posts: 746
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Brian From WI wrote:

So, anyone who agrees with or has the same opinion as him are sock puppets?

That's one side of the extreme. The other side is that some people think that they are right and everyone else is stupid. In the end, it's all the same. Someone thinks that their opinion is fact.

Hi Brian - firstly let me say I largely agree with your post, it is also well written and balanced.

But I feel it worth iterating that there is a hard line between opinion and fact at this point - MTF values, vignetting, CA etc - these values are all clearly observable, measurable, repeatable. You can make claims about a lens using these parameters and back them up simply by "showing your work" - the people who carry out this testing can then state their results as fact - which when put into context (taking into account the test methodology and sample diversity (usually 1)) gives us useful knowledge about the lens.

You may then opine to your hearts content about the relevance of the data but the results are objective facts - we need not rely on others opinions, we are all capable of making our own with facts. This is why they are so much more valueable than opinion alone. All TAF offers is opinion*, but (arguably) misrepresents this as fact.

*oh, and the facts he scrapes off the internet from uncredited sources.

To each their own, but I value the input of someone who is transparent about their sources so I may draw my own conclusions far more than someone who expects me to accept theirs as gospel.

Threads like this is a great way to divide people that supposedly came together to share a similar "passion"

TAF is as guilty as anyone for turning debate into argument on this forum with his many accounts. It wasn't until I saw how he behaved here that I lost respect for him. I think that many others here may be the same - I hope that maybe explains why things are so polar about him here?

VadymA Senior Member • Posts: 1,487
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Bravo!!! Like you were reading my thoughts exactly. I too find him rather entertaining and everything else you mentioned. Of course if it's true that TAP is fabricating his followers on this forum by posting flaming comments under different user names, that  would turn my opinion about him into a more negative territory. I am not sure if it's true though.

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VadymA Senior Member • Posts: 1,487
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Wow, to know all this you must be one of his most regular viewers. So you do find him entertaining too

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Yake Senior Member • Posts: 1,531
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VadymA wrote:

Wow, to know all this you must be one of his most regular viewers. So you do find him entertaining too

Haha.  No.  More like a train wreck.  It's terrible, but you have to look to see how bad it is.

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