CP4500 has a RAW mode!

Started Jan 21, 2003 | Discussions
OP AlexY Forum Member • Posts: 98
Re: Pardon my ignorance....

Nikon Editor is getting installed along with Nikon Viewer. I clicked on the .nef file and it opened in Nikon Editor.

Also try View-> Show Tool Palette 1 there to get to some adjustment options. Also you can launch Photoshop from it and the image will open in 16 bit format there. Nikon Capture is a separate, more powerfull and expensive software but you can download the 30 days or so trial from US Nikon site. There is also an update for it somewhere there.

Alex

dh3x wrote:

Does Nikon Capture come with CP4500? I seem to have only Nikon
View. And what is Nikon Editor? Where can I get them?

Thanks.

dh3x Junior Member • Posts: 28
Re: Pardon my ignorance....

Thanks for clarifying. I also found another software that does the same thing. It's called Bibble.
http://www.bibblelabs.com/bibble/pc.thtml

AlexMld wrote:
Nikon Editor is getting installed along with Nikon Viewer. I
clicked on the .nef file and it opened in Nikon Editor.
Also try View-> Show Tool Palette 1 there to get to some adjustment
options. Also you can launch Photoshop from it and the image will
open in 16 bit format there. Nikon Capture is a separate, more
powerfull and expensive software but you can download the 30 days
or so trial from US Nikon site. There is also an update for it
somewhere there.

Alex

dh3x wrote:

Does Nikon Capture come with CP4500? I seem to have only Nikon
View. And what is Nikon Editor? Where can I get them?

Thanks.

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DanVac New Member • Posts: 15
Re: RAW to NEF converter

doesn't work with nikon 995 files

Jaime Regular Member • Posts: 301
Re: deadpixel mapping (to AlexMld)

Please, let us know when the deadpixel mapper is available...
thanks!

AlexMld wrote:
I don't know much about this but as far as I know it is automatic -
on remapping the camera takes a long (about 10s) shot, calculates
an average brightness of pixels and then starts searching for
pixels that have a difference with the average over a certain
threshold, then if there are too many of them it increases the
threshold and repeats etc. untill it has less than 512 of them. I
guess this should work good enough so you won't need to enter
pixels manually.

jaime wrote:
thanks Alex, that would be great... about the deadpixel mapping, as
I understand your post, the in-camera procedure is automatic? so,
there's no way that you can tell the position of the deadpixel you
want to map?

AlexMld wrote:
Yes there is a way to read this map and also there is a special
command that forces the camera to recreate this map. The number of
deadpixels in the table will also greatly depend on the temperature
of the matrix so the longer you wait after you turn on the camera
and before you update the map the more pixels will be considered as
dead:
http://e2500.narod.ru/ccd_defect.htm
as you can see on the picture, the number of deadpixels
1 - after turning the camera on (163)
2 - in 15 minutes (214)
3 - after keeping the camera on for a long time (291)
I will ask this guy if he can create some publically available
program to manage dead pixels.

Alex

jaime wrote:

Alex, that's great news!, do you think there's a possibility to
create a program to map the deadpixels for the 4500?, that would be
a great utility to users that live in a country with no Nikon
support (like mine).

thanks!

Alex

Eightlake Contributing Member • Posts: 768
Wow....Thanks

Great explanation Alex. Even I think I understand most of what you said.

It may be a little early for me to make that leap to change to RAW format right now. I just finished chapter 2, "Digital Color and the Photoshop Connection" part of Peter iNova's book.
But I do see how and why you are all excited.
Regards and thanks for the explanation.
Gene
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Eightlake
CP E4500 TC-E3 ES-E28
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OP AlexY Forum Member • Posts: 98
Re: RAW to NEF converter

not yet,

but if you can upload a 995 raw file anywhere for us to pick this would be no problem to add besides there is a source to the code so anyone can add this

DanVac wrote:

doesn't work with nikon 995 files

RPK Senior Member • Posts: 1,104
Re: Anyone Post some samples ?

Yes, please post samples ...

DanVac New Member • Posts: 15
Re: RAW to NEF converter

Thanks
Give me the e-mail and I will send it. Dan

OP AlexY Forum Member • Posts: 98
Re: RAW to NEF converter

Can you send it to alexmld@t-k.ru and I will look at it

Alex

DanVac wrote:

Thanks
Give me the e-mail and I will send it. Dan

Maximilian Maksutovic Junior Member • Posts: 49
Iam confused

Now if we are turning the picutre into a .raw file after we've taken it in tiff or jpeg, what is the significnage of doing it iwtha computer like everyoen is saying? woul'dt the picutre still be the smae pixils and what not taken from the orginal image?

Christian B. Juul Contributing Member • Posts: 687
Re: Iam confused

Maximilian Maksutovic wrote:

Now if we are turning the picutre into a .raw file after we've
taken it in tiff or jpeg, what is the significnage of doing it
iwtha computer like everyoen is saying? woul'dt the picutre still
be the smae pixils and what not taken from the orginal image?

The picture is stored in the camera BOTH as a compressed jpg/tiff-file AND a RAW file (with the misleading .jpg in the end).

Hope this helps.

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Christian B. Juul Contributing Member • Posts: 687
GREAT ! THANKS ! (nt)

AlexMld wrote:

Here is the first version of the RAW to NEF converter:
http://e2500.narod.ru/raw2nef.htm

Alex

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cdharris Contributing Member • Posts: 569
Why did Nikon keep this a secret?

If these Nikon cameras have the ability to shoot and store the RAW files, why did Nikon keep it a secret? This should have been a selling point for their cameras and I would think Nikon would have advertised this.

lsz New Member • Posts: 4
Is cp 880 RAW capable too?

Has anyone tested cp880?

marek k Veteran Member • Posts: 3,859
Re: Why did Nikon keep this a secret?

You would think they would include / mention it. But maybe the performance is too slow compared to the competition, they didn't want to steal the thunder away from the 5700.

Finally, although useful to some, I wouldn't say that it is a core requirement of the 4500 user base. Hands up the 5700 owners that often use the nef format?

Just musing.

cdharris wrote:

If these Nikon cameras have the ability to shoot and store the RAW
files, why did Nikon keep it a secret? This should have been a
selling point for their cameras and I would think Nikon would have
advertised this.

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Jaime Regular Member • Posts: 301
Re: Pardon my ignorance....

Bibble does not work with the NEF from the 4500.

dh3x wrote:
Thanks for clarifying. I also found another software that does the
same thing. It's called Bibble.
http://www.bibblelabs.com/bibble/pc.thtml

AlexMld wrote:
Nikon Editor is getting installed along with Nikon Viewer. I
clicked on the .nef file and it opened in Nikon Editor.
Also try View-> Show Tool Palette 1 there to get to some adjustment
options. Also you can launch Photoshop from it and the image will
open in 16 bit format there. Nikon Capture is a separate, more
powerfull and expensive software but you can download the 30 days
or so trial from US Nikon site. There is also an update for it
somewhere there.

Alex

dh3x wrote:

Does Nikon Capture come with CP4500? I seem to have only Nikon
View. And what is Nikon Editor? Where can I get them?

Thanks.

DocW Regular Member • Posts: 181
Ok I played, here are my findings....

The Raw program works as advertised. I downloaded Nikon Capture 3.0 and updated it to 3.5. Here is what I found....

Nikon Capture is sloooow. Even on my blazing fast machine, each change (exposure, white balance, sharpen, tone) can take 10-20 seconds each to process so you can see an update.

I loaded both the JPG Fine version and the RAW (NEF) version into photoshop side-by-side (8 bit vs. 16 bit ). The difference between JPG Fine and RAW is really hard to see, I mean even @ 300% I couldn't tell one from the other, there was just a hint of more noise in the RAW file (strange). Tonality wise you have more to play with as far as levels and curves go before posterization creeps in with the 16 bit RAW, however the tonal differences between both images were not quite visible to my eyes.

All things considered the RAW format doesn't seem to be a tool I will use often if any. I think alot of people wanted RAW (including myself), but will find as I have that the speed of saving RAW, the speed of processing and limited differences between JPG and RAW will really only please the purists more than any.

Doc

OP AlexY Forum Member • Posts: 98
Re: Ok I played, here are my findings....

You will not see much difference between jpg and raw if you apply same curves as the camera. But once you need to edit the picture - RAW benefits will become apparent. If you need an example try to correct contrast in 8-bit picture and then go to levels to see the dropouts. Or try to increase sharpness in jpg file - all the artifacts get emphasized. Have you never got shots with wrong WB? When shooting in RAW you can forget about WB, contrast, saturation, sharpness etc - just set it to whatever you want, they don't have any influence on the RAW. Concentrate on composition and exposition, too many factors to watch over only distract you. If you are skilled enough you can go further and take much more benefits from RAW applying your own curves etc. But good skills only come with experience you won't get better shots just because they are in RAW like you want necesserally get better shots just because you are using manual exposition instead of automatic.
http://www.outbackphoto.com/handbook/rawfileprocessing.html

Alex

DocW wrote:

The Raw program works as advertised. I downloaded Nikon Capture
3.0 and updated it to 3.5. Here is what I found....

Nikon Capture is sloooow. Even on my blazing fast machine, each
change (exposure, white balance, sharpen, tone) can take 10-20
seconds each to process so you can see an update.

I loaded both the JPG Fine version and the RAW (NEF) version into
photoshop side-by-side (8 bit vs. 16 bit ). The difference
between JPG Fine and RAW is really hard to see, I mean even @ 300%
I couldn't tell one from the other, there was just a hint of more
noise in the RAW file (strange). Tonality wise you have more to
play with as far as levels and curves go before posterization
creeps in with the 16 bit RAW, however the tonal differences
between both images were not quite visible to my eyes.

All things considered the RAW format doesn't seem to be a tool I
will use often if any. I think alot of people wanted RAW
(including myself), but will find as I have that the speed of
saving RAW, the speed of processing and limited differences between
JPG and RAW will really only please the purists more than any.

Doc

eber Junior Member • Posts: 35
Re: CP4500 has a RAW mode!

AlexMld wrote:

It has been found out that Nikon has a diagnostic mode called DIAG
RAW in CP2500, CP4300, CP4500 (tested) and possibly E775, E885,

...

According to the author the program runs under Win 2000 and XP.

For those who haven't got this Windows thingy or not the required version, you can do the same thing by changing camera id from 'NIKON DIGITAL CAMERA' to 'DIAG RAW' with any program that can do this.

For example using photopc just type : photopc id "DIAG RAW", and that's it.
Just tried this with CP995.

Thanks to AlexMld for letting us know and to the author for including source code.

Please notice that diag raw mode is not cancelled whan camera is shutdown, you have to put back default id for the camera to operate in normal mode again.

E-

OP AlexY Forum Member • Posts: 98
DIAG modes

Actually there are also other DIAG modes: FORMАT and ERASE (no kidding) but we were afraid to try Perhaps something to do with deadpixels but I take no responsibility.

Alex

eber wrote:

AlexMld wrote:

It has been found out that Nikon has a diagnostic mode called DIAG
RAW in CP2500, CP4300, CP4500 (tested) and possibly E775, E885,

...

According to the author the program runs under Win 2000 and XP.

For those who haven't got this Windows thingy or not the required
version, you can do the same thing by changing camera id from
'NIKON DIGITAL CAMERA' to 'DIAG RAW' with any program that can do
this.

For example using photopc just type : photopc id "DIAG RAW", and
that's it.
Just tried this with CP995.

Thanks to AlexMld for letting us know and to the author for
including source code.

Please notice that diag raw mode is not cancelled whan camera is
shutdown, you have to put back default id for the camera to operate
in normal mode again.

E-

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