Another 105 f1.4E - examples

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Lance B
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Tried out the 105 f1.4E yesterday. Unfortunately, no people subject matter just a few around a local botanic gardens and some in my wife's garden. So, no artistic shots, more just checking sharpness, bokeh, AF accuracy and get a handle on the lens.

All shot with the D810. All these wide open unless specified. Best viewed at 100%.

Waratah flower with bee at bottom of image coming in for a landing - f2

Water Dragon soaking up the last of the warmth of the bricks

Silver Gull posing

100% crop of above showing the incredible detail even wide open! Look around the eye.

Grass Tree "flower". I like the OOF areas, looking a little bit "Monet"

Bee on flower. Again, wide open

100% crop of above

100% crop of above

Dare I say 3D? 

Wife's Hippeatsrums f8

Hippeatrums f8

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YRUNVS
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Nice shots, live the color in the first and the last two especially. Thanks for sharing!

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Marcin 3M
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Bokeh in the solar clock image looks a little weird to me.

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Lance B
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Marcin 3M wrote:

Bokeh in the solar clock image looks a little weird to me.

A product of the background and the light at the time.

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Lance B
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YRUNVS wrote:

Nice shots, live the color in the first and the last two especially. Thanks for sharing!

Thank you very much for your kind comments. Much appreciated.:-)

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MisterHairy Senior Member • Posts: 2,561
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OOh. Is the Leseurii water dragon in your wife's garden? Most jealous if so.

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Really beautiful photograph!

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Hi Lance, obviously the optics are remarkable. I am wondering what you think of the handling i.e. focus speed and accuracy etc. Thanks for putting these up,

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Lance B
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ormdig wrote:

Hi Lance, obviously the optics are remarkable. I am wondering what you think of the handling i.e. focus speed and accuracy etc. Thanks for putting these up,

Focus speed is quite fast, not exotic tele fast or 24-70 f2.8 VR, or 70-200 f2.8 fast, but fast enough for given purpose.

Thank you very much for your kind comment, Pete.

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MisterHairy wrote:

OOh. Is the Leseurii water dragon in your wife's garden? Most jealous if so.

Unfortunately not. However, we have had them in the garden previously.

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Really beautiful photograph!

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Jim Keye Senior Member • Posts: 2,466
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I'm joking. These look really nice (with one exception, IMO).

Lance B wrote:

I've seen this result in one other shot elsewhere, where the out-of-focus background takes on a slightly curved-in-motion effect, and I'm really not a fan. I'm sure some careful testing would reveal if it's focus distance, subject-to-background distance, some combination, etc. Because it doesn't show up in most of the shots I've seen.

But otherwise, what really gorgeous rendering.

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The lens looks amazing to me, I've no idea why people have such a beef with this lens just because 'Angry' doesn't like it. Very nice pics btw

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Lance B wrote:

Marcin 3M wrote:

Bokeh in the solar clock image looks a little weird to me.

A product of the background and the light at the time.

A bit of a disingenuous explanation, this is entirely a product of the lens. The 105 E produces swirly, cats-eye bokeh as noted above and on many previous examples posted to this forum.

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H o g n e
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Thanks for sharing Lance. I particularly enjoyed the seagull shots and the background of the "Monet".

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VadymA Senior Member • Posts: 1,590
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fPrime wrote:

Lance B wrote:

Marcin 3M wrote:

Bokeh in the solar clock image looks a little weird to me.

A product of the background and the light at the time.

A bit of a disingenuous explanation, this is entirely a product of the lens. The 105 E produces swirly, cats-eye bokeh as noted above and on many previous examples posted to this forum.

fPrime

Just like many other fast primes before 105 E, as was also demonstrated. The only difference is that nobody viewed it as a bad thing before TAP said so. I like TAP, he is a great character, but he is biased in his opinion, so don't take his every word for granted.

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I used to shoot Sigma, so the sharpness looks Ok to me, but not spectacular. The highlights are blown on many shots, ISO is jumping from 64 to 640. Are you in Auto mode? With a gear like that you should only use Manual IMO, the difference in the results and the freedom in light control will blow you mind. Just my honest opinion.

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momotus Regular Member • Posts: 474
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Jim Keye wrote:

I'm joking. These look really nice (with one exception, IMO).

I've seen this result in one other shot elsewhere, where the out-of-focus background takes on a slightly curved-in-motion effect, and I'm really not a fan. I'm sure some careful testing would reveal if it's focus distance, subject-to-background distance, some combination, etc. Because it doesn't show up in most of the shots I've seen.

But otherwise, what really gorgeous rendering.

Yep, this is the 'cat's eye' bokeh that there is so much snarking about with regard to this lens, particularly of late. When you have large OOF objects near the edge of the frame, it manifests as obvious cat's eyes, like with out of focus Christmas lights, etc. With busier backgrounds like this shot, it can look more like the curved effect you mention.

This is pretty common with wide-aperture, fast short teles, because of the partial eclipsing of the clear aperture, because of finite size elements. See the Zeiss 135mm APO Sonnar or the Nikkor 58mm Noct, for other examples. (Both of those lenses seem to be well regarded in some circles, for some reason)

It's an effect that can be used to advantage, but it's best to understand what's going on. In fact, some people pay good money for a Noct, just to shoot wide open for this.

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fPrime wrote:

Lance B wrote:

Marcin 3M wrote:

Bokeh in the solar clock image looks a little weird to me.

A product of the background and the light at the time.

A bit of a disingenuous explanation, this is entirely a product of the lens. The 105 E produces swirly, cats-eye bokeh as noted above and on many previous examples posted to this forum.

A bit of a disingenuous response, as it most definitely IS dependent upon the structure of the background, in combination with the lens geometry.

Every long, fast lens will do this.  It is not specific to the 105/1.4E.

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fPrime wrote:

Lance B wrote:

Marcin 3M wrote:

Bokeh in the solar clock image looks a little weird to me.

A product of the background and the light at the time.

A bit of a disingenuous explanation, this is entirely a product of the lens. The 105 E produces swirly, cats-eye bokeh as noted above and on many previous examples posted to this forum.

fPrime

How does the much vaunted Nokton handle similar situations? The same or worse? Oh.

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Really beautiful photograph!

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Marianne Oelund wrote:

fPrime wrote:

Lance B wrote:

Marcin 3M wrote:

Bokeh in the solar clock image looks a little weird to me.

A product of the background and the light at the time.

A bit of a disingenuous explanation, this is entirely a product of the lens. The 105 E produces swirly, cats-eye bokeh as noted above and on many previous examples posted to this forum.

A bit of a disingenuous response, as it most definitely IS dependent upon the structure of the background, in combination with the lens geometry.

Not really, you can see we were all discussing the photo in question in reference to "this". Lance B was clearly trying to deflect the cause of the bad bokeh away from the lens and onto the light/background. In that sense my comment here correctly states that in "this" photo only the lens is at fault because the same background shot with a 105 DC wouldn't have produced the swirly bokeh.

Every long, fast lens will do this. It is not specific to the 105/1.4E.

Be more specific, please. The cats-eye bokeh is certainly not unique to the 105E. But, that's hardly the point. Please show us examples of swirly bokeh for the 105 DC.

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MisterHairy wrote:

fPrime wrote:

Lance B wrote:

Marcin 3M wrote:

Bokeh in the solar clock image looks a little weird to me.

A product of the background and the light at the time.

A bit of a disingenuous explanation, this is entirely a product of the lens. The 105 E produces swirly, cats-eye bokeh as noted above and on many previous examples posted to this forum.

fPrime

How does the much vaunted Nokton handle similar situations? The same or worse? Oh.

Do show us, we're waiting.

fPrime

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