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Fujian 35mm f/1.7

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Photato
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Fujian 35mm f/1.7
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The Fujian 35mm f/1.7 lens (aka Cheap B@stard)

Finally I manage to make some time to give this little lens a spin with the M1 with some shots.

The lens is designed for C-Mount CCTV cameras with a smaller 11mm( 2/3" Type sensor) but it somehow covers the much larger APS-C M 27mm sensor.
The lens has a short radius Field Curvature hence the blurry edges and funky Bokeh. It is Manual focus, has a nice continuous (no detentes) manual Aperture control with 12 blades.

Because it is C-Mount it is compatible with almost any Mirrorless camera without adding any bulk with the purchase of the corresponding $5 screw ring adapter.

The highlight of this lens is that it is f1.7 bright, has a unique rendering style, it is build of solid metal and above all, is dirt cheap. I paid $29 New, shipped from China to the US. I know, don't ask me how they still manage to make a profit.

Some photos I took yesterday in my next post.

But first, keep your expectations low because the Cheap B@stard is not about clinical sharp images.

The Fujian 35mm f/1.7 lens mounted on M1. EF-M 22mm lens on the left side.

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Photato
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Fujian 35mm Sample Shots
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I shot all these in Raw, manual focus using ML Peaking feature or the Magnifier, the Apertures I used ranged from f/2 through f/8, all available light, handheld.

IMO, It is definitively not a replacement for a proper 35mm lens made for APS-C but is a fun lens that gives a unique character to your photos.

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...more samples
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Gesture Forum Pro • Posts: 10,236
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Great stuff.  Thanks for sharing.

I don't think Canon gets it.  Maybe, not even DPReview.  This is one of the great fun and appeal of the mirrorless cameras.  Adapting old types of lenses.

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Re: Fujian 35mm Sample Shots

Gesture wrote:

Great stuff. Thanks for sharing.

I don't think Canon gets it. Maybe, not even DPReview. This is one of the great fun and appeal of the mirrorless cameras. Adapting old types of lenses.

Thanks, u r welcome.

Yes, the M is quite possible the Mount with the largest variety of lenses available you can use. No DSLRs can adapat theses or the EF-M lenses.

I guess you meant ALL not "old"

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Markintosh
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Re: Fujian 35mm f/1.7

Remind me Lensbaby — just less obvious effect:) These lenses are fun to use and also good boost for creativity:) Be prepared for "soft edges" comments here:)

Photato wrote:

The Fujian 35mm f/1.7 lens (aka Cheap B@stard)

Finally I manage to make some time to give this little lens a spin with the M1 with some shots.

The lens is designed for C-Mount CCTV cameras with a smaller 11mm( 2/3" Type sensor) but it somehow covers the much larger APS-C M 27mm sensor.
The lens has a short radius Field Curvature hence the blurry edges and funky Bokeh. It is Manual focus, has a nice continuous (no detentes) manual Aperture control with 12 blades.

Because it is C-Mount it is compatible with almost any Mirrorless camera without adding any bulk with the purchase of the corresponding $5 screw ring adapter.

The highlight of this lens is that it is f1.7 bright, has a unique rendering style, it is build of solid metal and above all, is dirt cheap. I paid $29 New, shipped from China to the US. I know, don't ask me how they still manage to make a profit.

Some photos I took yesterday in my next post.

But first, keep your expectations low because the Cheap B@stard is not about clinical sharp images.

The Fujian 35mm f/1.7 lens mounted on M1. EF-M 22mm lens on the left side.

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Markintosh wrote:

Remind me Lensbaby — just less obvious effect:) These lenses are fun to use and also good boost for creativity:) Be prepared for "soft edges" comments here:)

Yep, the Lensbaby Twist, but that one is 60mm f2.5 and it ain't baby or toyish at $250. Mounted in a crop body like the M it might behave different.

"Be prepared for "soft edges" comments here:)"

It's alright, the Cheap Bast@rd is proud and unapologetically soft

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thedanj
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I enjoyed these! I might have to play around with this one. I use a lot of m42 (takumars, etc.) and other manual-focus lenses, and each has its own character. I like the quirks of each one. They add an element of fun and even surprise that is pretty underrated.

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Re: Fujian 35mm f/1.7

thedanj wrote:

I enjoyed these! I might have to play around with this one. I use a lot of m42 (takumars, etc.) and other manual-focus lenses, and each has its own character. I like the quirks of each one. They add an element of fun and even surprise that is pretty underrated.

Yeah, is the kind of lens you need when having sharpness fatigue. lol

I am just testing the waters of manual focusing with this one, first time wowhoo! . But gonna use it mostly for video when no focus is needed and using the 3X mode to get the sweet center. For that it is really a great value.

If you decide to get one, Amazon now have then locally. I got mine from eBay but it took like 2 or 3 long weeks for delivery. They come already with the C to EF-M adapter and also a macro adapter.

There are many copies of the Bast@rd under different names, all the same.

SLR Magic once sold it too for $100 but pulled it after people found out it was the same Bast@rd in silk clothes lol

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Najinsky Veteran Member • Posts: 5,739
nice shots, but...
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... the exposure seems off by about 1.5 stops. Most likely cause is because your monitor is set too brightly when you edit.

but the message of the post is not lost, and it's good to see the nice performance of this lens too.

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Re: nice shots, but...

Najinsky wrote:

... the exposure seems off by about 1.5 stops. Most likely cause is because your monitor is set too brightly when you edit.

Thanks Andy.

You might be right. I need to re-calibrate my monitor.

Checking with y iPad they look a bit darker but not by 1.5 stops.

but the message of the post is not lost, and it's good to see the nice performance of this lens too.

Yes a great value.

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Najinsky Veteran Member • Posts: 5,739
Re: nice shots, but...
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Photato wrote:

Najinsky wrote:

... the exposure seems off by about 1.5 stops. Most likely cause is because your monitor is set too brightly when you edit.

Thanks Andy.

You might be right. I need to re-calibrate my monitor.

Checking with y iPad they look a bit darker but not by 1.5 stops.

Eyes are funny things, highly adaptable and able to adjust to huge variances in light intensity, something to do with the pupil opening and closing to let more light in.

At 100% brightness, but in a darkened room, my iPad Pro gives off white light so bright I could open a tanning studio. But just for you, I braved this radiation and I set it thus to 100% and indeed I saw your photos in the light you probably see them in.

Then, for comparison, and relief from the burn, I Set my iPad back to around 70% brightness. I then saved one of your images to photos, edited the photo and allowed the iPad to auto-correct it. Between exposure, shadows and brightness, it added about 1.2 stops to the image, and gave a similar look as your posted image at 100% ipad brightness (in a dark room), so my guess is, your images would look better (less dark) on a larger number of other people's viewer devices, if the exposure was raised by at least a stop.

one way to check this would be to print an image. My guess is the print would look quite dark and need a fairly large gamma correction to print as you currently see it.

but the message of the post is not lost, and it's good to see the nice performance of this lens too.

Yes a great value.

Yes, it has excellent contrast and colour, and quite a special kind of look that's hard to describe but very pleasant to see. A really good find.

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Re: nice shots, but...

Najinsky wrote:

Photato wrote:

Najinsky wrote:

... the exposure seems off by about 1.5 stops. Most likely cause is because your monitor is set too brightly when you edit.

Thanks Andy.

You might be right. I need to re-calibrate my monitor.

Checking with y iPad they look a bit darker but not by 1.5 stops.

Eyes are funny things, highly adaptable and able to adjust to huge variances in light intensity, something to do with the pupil opening and closing to let more light in.

...and the brain. This is why we all need color management.

At 100% brightness, but in a darkened room, my iPad Pro gives off white light so bright I could open a tanning studio. But just for you, I braved this radiation and I set it thus to 100% and indeed I saw your photos in the light you probably see them in.

No way, then there is something wrong with your iPad or my iPad or both. I mean it can't be that dark is it? Frommy end, other pictures from DPR galleries look fine from my displays.

Then, for comparison, and relief from the burn, I Set my iPad back to around 70% brightness. I then saved one of your images to photos, edited the photo and allowed the iPad to auto-correct it. Between exposure, shadows and brightness, it added about 1.2 stops to the image, and gave a similar look as your posted image at 100% ipad brightness (in a dark room), so my guess is, your images would look better (less dark) on a larger number of other people's viewer devices, if the exposure was raised by at least a stop.

Thanks for trying. I will need to dig this and fix it. Adobe Camera Raw was giving me brighter auto-exposures when developing but I didn't listen.

one way to check this would be to print an image. My guess is the print would look quite dark and need a fairly large gamma correction to print as you currently see it.

The iPad test is fine, hate printing on my Canon Pro9000, besides, that introduce other set of calibration issues.

but the message of the post is not lost, and it's good to see the nice performance of this lens too.

Yes a great value.

Yes, it has excellent contrast and colour, and quite a special kind of look that's hard to describe but very pleasant to see. A really good find.

Well this lens is nothing new or secret, it is very popular among Sony, Oly, Pany and Fuji mirrorless users.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Re: nice shots, but...

Your photos look fine.  I must have a too bright monitor, also!

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Hey man,

Thanks a lot for your review. I just ordered one of these lenses; I’m on a SUPER CHEAP lens run but honestly, I think I need another camera too!

I have a canon 350D (yeah, I know it’s stupidly old but it was like £10 from eBay and it was my first d-SLR back in the day (or was probably the modded 300d tbh) so it brings back fond memories.
Now a while ago, I wanted another camera but this time one that could do video - and it NEEDED to be quite cheap so I searched for the first canon camera that shot film and came to the Canon EOS 5D mark ii. 
It’s great with my 50mm (it probably changes that focal length tho) and I often use the 50/1.8 with those lens extender tube things on my 5dii- it’s okay but what I didn’t realise at the time is that it’s a full size sensor which makes things really annoying!!! Well…actually I suppose if we are being accurate it makes everything expensive if you want good quality and you get bad round blacking at the edges (I can’t remember the technical name) if you use lenses meant for a smaller sensor.  
I want a Canon that both does video  (pretty easy these days), I need to decide if I want mirrorless - in which case I’d likely go with the M range bodies, second hand.

OR

Do I want to go the d-slr route - except it has to be one which holds an APS-C sensor…this means I can, overall, spend less on lenses and actually some of the older d-slr cameras that have an APS-C sensor are a pretty reasonable price.

what would you guys suggest? Mirrorless or an APS-c, D-SLR? Both would have to be older models around the £150-250 price range (body only). The lower numbers are generally the APS-C SLR’s and the higher ones are from prices of the canon M5, I think…

Either way, if I had known the EOS 5d mii had a full frame sensor, I probably wouldn’t have got it!

don’t get me wrong though, it’s a great D-SLR but it is very heavy - particularly with the extra battery/ grip mount. 
Photo quality using the canon 50mm f1.8 lens come out great and I was really enjoying using magic lantern.

It would be useful if the camera (with correct lens) could start doing macro. I take a lot of photographs of cannabis - don’t worry, it’s privately prescribed so totally legal. 
it’s a beautiful plant at the end of the day…

With a full frame sensor, the money I would need to invest to get a macro lens is insane - and the old lens reversal trick with a mount just looks blurry and has loads of vignetting (Ha I remembered the name for it). 
yeh, I can crop using GIMP - yes, I’m cheap this whole post basically lines that out!

Your photos with this lens are very inspiring - you said you were using a mirrorless canon, which model were you using?

I feel like with the canon 5d mii, unless you are doing ‘studio’ or indoor stuff it’s fine on a sturdy tripod or even holding it but I have a bad back and to carry the canon 5d mii, walking when we go to national trust properties, just really hurts your back by the end of the day - especially now that I carry such a good camera (with surprisingly good, fake bokeh) in my pocket on my phone. 
It makes it hard to justify carrying the d5ii when I have an iPhone 13 which probably has more Mp (although we know that’s not everything).

oh also, I was REALLY surprised that the canon d5 mii doesn’t have a pop-up flash. I know it’s meant to be a semi pro camera and they’d just buy a Speedlight flash and attach it either to the hot shoe or use some sort of slave system to use multiple flashes. Either that or it’s meant for a studio where it’s sat on a tripod so weight doesn’t really matter and they would use proper studio strobes instead.

I personally miss the pop up flash of my EOS 350d - oh you may be asking why I havnt tried all these lenses (and the standard zoom that came with the 350d) using the 350d I have…well, I lost the charger and so am waiting for Jeff Bezos to bring me a battery charger that fits the 350d battery, in his rocket, with Captain Kirk!

The amazon delivery man literally came as I typed that joke! 
okay so now I can at least see what my lenses look like on an APS-c format sensor - even if it is a bit (VERY) old now!

Okay so I spent way too long writing this and figuring out my ‘needs’. 
The two things you don’t really want to cheap out on are the glass (lenses) - although this rule is less strict (depending on desired outcome) I would say- and the actual sensor itself. 
Those are the parts that do the heavy lifting so the rest is secondary. 
At the mo it’s between an eBay Canon d-slr in the newer EOS range - the 650d or something

OR

something like A Canon EOS M5/M10 mirrorless, body only for a little more cash. (Although iv just read the autofocus lens adapter is like £200 - although this review site is old…I’ll look on eBay…okay so more like £50 for a non brand Chinese lens adapter with AF so the m5 could take any of the 60 EF and EF-S lenses and have AF capability (although, I’m not totally convinced it would work that great for AF but that is literally just a hunch. That’s if you want the autofocus and aperture to ‘work’. There are ones for like £10-15 that don’t give you the AF and also they keep your aperture at max and you can’t change it. So it’s worth the more expensive converters. 
I’m going to watch a video review of the lens mount adapter…

im looking at the slightly older m10 now seeing as I have to factor in the cost of the adapter…I wonder how much that changes the focal length of the EF lenses also…

Wow! This is a HUUGE reply in a thread that I think has been dead for years!!

I bought my Canon EOS 5d mii for around £250 - I got into a bidding war annoyingly! But I bought it on a whim with next to no research and I don’t want to do that again!

I would also like to be able to bring a small camera on family outings etc because the iPhone - although very good for selfies and family selfie type photos, it’s pretty useless for non digital bokeh and I want a smaller dedicated camera to be able to get shots without people noticing and then ‘posing’ which I don’t want -  I’m sure you guys must have had similar. The best photos are when the person isnt aware of the camera. That’s what is leading me to EF-M type cameras…their size is crazy

I’ll probably sell the d5 mii at a loss when I get the mirrorless one I decide on but still, it’s about the fun and the photographs! 
I am LOVING using the holga d-slr (or normal slr if you want) lens. You need a ton of light though!

Anyway - even if no-one reads this it has allowed me to figure out my priorities and what I really want. Small size, ability to use Ef lenses and to be a relatively good quality - I’m not printing huge canvases with the photos or anything so I don’t need the highest MP number. 
It’s a balance between price and quality - pretty sure im looking at the M range and adapter though…

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You're going to need a mirrorless camera to use that lens for anything other than macro, and it's not designed or corrected for macro.

The EOS M cameras are all mirrorless APSC. Mpb.com have 20+ Canon brand EF - EOS M mount adapters at prices from £69 - £83, it's worth making sure yours comes with the detachable tripod foot. They have a white 18Mpx EOS M10 in good condition for £134, but if you can stretch for it I would say go for one of their 24Mpx M100 cameras in excellent condition for £209 - £219. Better sensor, better AF, slightly more refined. I don't use my M10 nearly as much since I bought the M100.  Both have weak pop-up flashes that you can actually bounce in a tiny room, neither will take more powerful flashguns like your 5D II.  The flippy screen of those models is well worth having and there's an app that lets you control the cameras remotely from your phone.

I sometimes see the original M going for £150 - £200 complete with mount adapter.  It's basically a mirrorless 650D but, apart from the hotshoe, the M100 and M10 are more versatile and better vfm.  They might be a little cheaper on ebay, but that 6 month guarantee must be worth something.

Mpb.com also sell EF mount extension tubes from about £50 up. I don't know how close you need to go, but as a rough rule, with the lens focussed at infinity, the magnification is extension divided by the focal length, e.g. a 25mm tube will give you half life size with a 50mm (more than that at the other end of the focussing scale) or a 12mm tube will give (12/50) = 0.24x. You do need to stop down a lot as very little will actually be in focus.

Neither the mount adapter nor the sensor size alter the focal length of a lens, but a 50mm lens on your 5D II will have the same angle of view as a 31mm lens on a Canon APS-C sensor. Put the other way around, a 50mm or a 35mm lens on a Canon APS-C sensor will have the same field of view as an 80mm or a 56mm lens on your 5D II.

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