No more NX so, maybe bridge?

Panasonic FZ1000, Sony RX100, Canon G3X and Nikon DL24-500 great bridge cameras occurred on the maket.

I wonder why Samsung nis not present in this class?

In the pas they offered Pro815 with nice lens S&K.

I tried a little FZ1000 in the shop - it seems very useful camera very large viewfinder - much larger than in my NX300 25-400 F2,8-F4 lens very quick AF - not crazy price - for me great tool for holidays and with NX30 + pancakes great combo for every situation - FZ100 during the day and NX in the evenings or darker insides.

Great pros of FZ1000 and other is possibility of using flash synchro on 1/1000s (central shutter) - I have some problems with NX30 limit 1/200s in sunny days - F11-16 necessary to avoid of overblown areas but than flash light not strong enough for fill light (I am using small Metz 26-AF-1 for compact size reason..

OK what is not OK is only 400 mm range -  600 mm as we can gest from Sony or Canon could be also welcome there is not perfect camera still.

Sony RX10 mk3 seems great but its AF is not so quick as Panasonic.

The same Canon and no viewfinder is big cons.

Nikon still not present in the shops we will se what class it is.

Except Panasonic all cameras are very expensivy Sony price is crazy.

That's why I thought about Samsung camera in this class - it could be NX mini in NX30 shape with large viewfinder 1" 24 ISOCELL sensor, DP AF , and lens 20-600/F2,4-F4,5  from S&K ...

I am sure that Canon or Nikon never will make such camera - simply reason not to make their own products to strong competition.

What do you think?

Samsung is done with the camera business. I wish I never heard of the Samsung NX1 (ignorance is bliss) as it's  the best camera for me out of the Cannon 70d, Sony A77mkII  or the Nikon 7100. Now I just have to be satisfied that there are no native lenses with a range greater than 200mm. Everyone I show what the NX1 and lenses  can do wants to buy mine from me. I love my NX!

Chris62 wrote:

Panasonic FZ1000, Sony RX100, Canon G3X and Nikon DL24-500 great bridge cameras occurred on the maket.

I wonder why Samsung nis not present in this class?

In the pas they offered Pro815 with nice lens S&K.

I tried a little FZ1000 in the shop - it seems very useful camera very large viewfinder - much larger than in my NX300 25-400 F2,8-F4 lens very quick AF - not crazy price - for me great tool for holidays and with NX30 + pancakes great combo for every situation - FZ100 during the day and NX in the evenings or darker insides.

Great pros of FZ1000 and other is possibility of using flash synchro on 1/1000s (central shutter) - I have some problems with NX30 limit 1/200s in sunny days - F11-16 necessary to avoid of overblown areas but than flash light not strong enough for fill light (I am using small Metz 26-AF-1 for compact size reason..

OK what is not OK is only 400 mm range - 600 mm as we can gest from Sony or Canon could be also welcome there is not perfect camera still.

Sony RX10 mk3 seems great but its AF is not so quick as Panasonic.

The same Canon and no viewfinder is big cons.

Nikon still not present in the shops we will se what class it is.

Except Panasonic all cameras are very expensivy Sony price is crazy.

That's why I thought about Samsung camera in this class - it could be NX mini in NX30 shape with large viewfinder 1" 24 ISOCELL sensor, DP AF , and lens 20-600/F2,4-F4,5 from S&K ...

I am sure that Canon or Nikon never will make such camera - simply reason not to make their own products to strong competition.

What do you think?

Samsung does not even list cameras on their product drop downs anymore at their web page.  Wait for A6300 price to drop if you like ILC.  I still have my NX1 & it is still going strong.

andre2you wrote:

Samsung is done with the camera business. I wish I never heard of the Samsung NX1 (ignorance is bliss) as it's the best camera for me out of the Cannon 70d, Sony A77mkII or the Nikon 7100. Now I just have to be satisfied that there are no native lenses with a range greater than 200mm. Everyone I show what the NX1 and lenses can do wants to buy mine from me. I love my NX!

I keep hearing people complain about lack of greater than 200mm on this system. Yet those same people don't even have any photos using other cameras with 200mm+ lenses. I question whether a lot of these people have ever owned and used anything over 200mm, or if it is all talk.

They do have a bridge camera more recent than the pro815.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/4635735623/samsung-launches-dual-grip-60x-wb2200f-superzoom-with-wi-fi

I think it has no raw though... it's very much consumer focused (simplified and pushed on wifi features despite the dual grip look, it's also much smaller than it looks) and I think the FZ1000 would be a much better choice.

VisualFX wrote:

andre2you wrote:

Samsung is done with the camera business. I wish I never heard of the Samsung NX1 (ignorance is bliss) as it's the best camera for me out of the Cannon 70d, Sony A77mkII or the Nikon 7100. Now I just have to be satisfied that there are no native lenses with a range greater than 200mm. Everyone I show what the NX1 and lenses can do wants to buy mine from me. I love my NX!

I keep hearing people complain about lack of greater than 200mm on this system. Yet those same people don't even have any photos using other cameras with 200mm+ lenses. I question whether a lot of these people have ever owned and used anything over 200mm, or if it is all talk.

Sure I do.  I'll post a few once all the photos from my trip are roughly sorted out.  I'll put them in their own thread though, so keep an eye out.  Also, that's not necessarily a reason anyway though, it can be hard for others to do that when all they own is NX.  They may find themselves always shooting right at 200 and still not being close enough.

VisualFX wrote:

I keep hearing people complain about lack of greater than 200mm on this system. Yet those same people don't even have any photos using other cameras with 200mm+ lenses. I question whether a lot of these people have ever owned and used anything over 200mm, or if it is all talk.

I checked my EXIF database for the 2 years before I owned the NX1. More than 50% of my images were greater than 200mm (equiv, where applicable). I bought the NX1 system specifically due to the expected availability of the 300mm f/2.8 S at some point. So I'm not one of "these people" and I would not be surprised if there are others like me. The fact that Samsung just "stopped" (or whatever they are doing or not doing) before delivering this almost finished lens is a constant source of annoyance to me. I have my Canon long glass, both FD and EF L as a stop gap, but a dedicated NX piece of glass would still be a much better solution, and the one I expected.

Just a note: I made my second major purchase of the year this week that previously would easily have been a Samsung product. Just like the first purchase two months ago, IT WASN'T.

Ed

My new NX is an em10, similar features but silly-poor menu structure and phraseology compared to other brands. Similar in other ways though, and IQ is plenty good enough - comparable to my nx300 though nowhere near the 28Mpix sensor. I just cannot justify the compromises of a superzoom lens whether on ILC or bridge, I prefer to have a shorter range done very well than something that tries to overdo itself.

I'm still dreaming of Ricoh dealing for NX tech for the K-02

VisualFX wrote:

andre2you wrote:

Samsung is done with the camera business. I wish I never heard of the Samsung NX1 (ignorance is bliss) as it's the best camera for me out of the Cannon 70d, Sony A77mkII or the Nikon 7100. Now I just have to be satisfied that there are no native lenses with a range greater than 200mm. Everyone I show what the NX1 and lenses can do wants to buy mine from me. I love my NX!

I keep hearing people complain about lack of greater than 200mm on this system. Yet those same people don't even have any photos using other cameras with 200mm+ lenses. I question whether a lot of these people have ever owned and used anything over 200mm, or if it is all talk.

Well, I've used the Canon 70D with a 70-250mm and the Sony A77MkII with the 70-300mm. I used the Canon to take pictures and video at College football games, and found that 250mm was a pretty decent focal length. The 70-300mm on the Sony was the perfect focal  length but I hated the ergonomics of the camera itself (it was just too large). Once I used the Samsung NX1 I didn't like the ergonomics of either camera. I plan on cropping the video and photos using the NX1 but if there was a a longer zoom that would have been perfect.

I bought an FZ1000 specifically for the zoom capability. I use it to compliment my other equipment. I bought it used for $500. A zoom decent lens can cost that easily. It is a smaller sensor, but the ois works better than Samsung's from my experience.  I have got some great photos of my kids sailing lessons that I could never achieve with what Samsung offers. Maybe the 50-150mm S cropped from the 28mp sensor, but at a much, much higher cost.

NX is better for some purposes even with limited long FL range but bridge cameras offer decent quality when 1" sensor is applied and the most important the range is for every occasion 24-600 mm + cropping possibilities means such camera can work for holidays time better than every system camera - no lens changing and one camera only is big pros for me.

Of course no possible to use bridge camera with fish eye or ultra wide lens, no possible to get extra shallow portrait DOF so even we have such camera we still need a system camera with specialised lens.

I do not want to sell NX and buy something else simply I thin hoe to increase possibilities when lighting is nice and I need to use short and immediately long FL.

I thought about NX18-200 but its range is so so and quality not better than 1" bridge camera and the price is also high.

DSLR systems can use Tamron 16-300 (24-450) but I am afraid of Auto Focus issues.

The conclusion is photo marketing does not understand customer needs and nobody knows when the right camera will be offered

Chris62 wrote:

NX is better for some purposes even with limited long FL range but bridge cameras offer decent quality when 1" sensor is applied and the most important the range is for every occasion 24-600 mm + cropping possibilities means such camera can work for holidays time better than every system camera - no lens changing and one camera only is big pros for me.

Of course no possible to use bridge camera with fish eye or ultra wide lens, no possible to get extra shallow portrait DOF so even we have such camera we still need a system camera with specialised lens.

I do not want to sell NX and buy something else simply I thin hoe to increase possibilities when lighting is nice and I need to use short and immediately long FL.

I thought about NX18-200 but its range is so so and quality not better than 1" bridge camera and the price is also high.

DSLR systems can use Tamron 16-300 (24-450) but I am afraid of Auto Focus issues.

The conclusion is photo marketing does not understand customer needs and nobody knows when the right camera will be offered

My conclusion is very different.  It's not that they don't understand, it's that they can't produce a lens of high quality with that kind of range at a price consumers can afford, especially if we add wide aperture to those demands.

Greynerd wrote:

Where have you picked up that Samsung are specifically dropping NX? I have only read and they have told me that they are discontinuing cameras as a whole in Europe and other areas.

I have been told this by a Samsung (Techno Blue) employee, but he didn't have the citation for the source of the news on hand for me, so maybe it was an internal memo.  I certainly haven't seen a public announcement of the end of NX overall.

VisualFX wrote:

I keep hearing people complain about lack of greater than 200mm on this system. Yet those same people don't even have any photos using other cameras with 200mm+ lenses. I question whether a lot of these people have ever owned and used anything over 200mm, or if it is all talk.

Yes, I complained about the lack of something longer than 200mm for NX and you won't find any picture from me here at dpreview. But I own my Nikon longer than the NXes and for Nikon I own AF lenses up to 500mm and I would have appreciated a replacement of my old Bigma with a similar lens with NX mount. Samsung did not deliver, even the 50-150 came too late and when it came, I wasn't interested anymore. Got myself the Nikon AF-S 4/70-200 VR for the D700, as a lighter alternative to my old Tokina 4/100-300 and Nikon 2.8/70-200 VR I. With cashback it did cost 900€ new, around 600€ less than the 50-150 one year later. I didn't invest in the S lenses, because they came too late. Because I had no S lenses, I was not interested in the NX1 and bought instead a Sony A7II for even more money as an early adopter.

My manual Nikon AI 3.5/400 is still good adapted to my NX30, even at the Mini, but since last summer I mostly use a Nikon P900 (replaced a P520 i gave to my sister) if I need a really long tele or for travel. The bridge is simply much more convenient than my old heavy weights on a tripod. Image quality isn't that bad for the small sensor  and VR (OIS) gives me 1/60s with a 2000mm equivalent without support.

Greynerd wrote:

ttbek wrote:

Chris62 wrote:

NX is better for some purposes even with limited long FL range but bridge cameras offer decent quality when 1" sensor is applied and the most important the range is for every occasion 24-600 mm + cropping possibilities means such camera can work for holidays time better than every system camera - no lens changing and one camera only is big pros for me.

Of course no possible to use bridge camera with fish eye or ultra wide lens, no possible to get extra shallow portrait DOF so even we have such camera we still need a system camera with specialised lens.

My Panasonic FZ72 bridge has a 20mm equivalent wide angle which works pretty well. The main reason I keep it.

I do not want to sell NX and buy something else simply I thin hoe to increase possibilities when lighting is nice and I need to use short and immediately long FL.

I thought about NX18-200 but its range is so so and quality not better than 1" bridge camera and the price is also high.

DSLR systems can use Tamron 16-300 (24-450) but I am afraid of Auto Focus issues.

The conclusion is photo marketing does not understand customer needs and nobody knows when the right camera will be offered

My conclusion is very different. It's not that they don't understand, it's that they can't produce a lens of high quality with that kind of range at a price consumers can afford, especially if we add wide aperture to those demands.

Difficult also to imagine how a team that produced the rather barmy WB2200f

Yep, as I mentioned on that one, no raw even.  And the lens is... very mediocre is a nice way to say it I guess.  On the other hand, they're probably also the people that made the EX2F...., so cheaping out on the WB2200F and just trying to make it look pro seems like directive from marketing.

could make it back to planet Earth quickly enough to produce a practical super zoom and it would have to be >>1/2.3" which is going to be essential. Sony have worked up through 3 marks of RX10 in the interim.

It is just not going to happen. Nikon are in enough trouble in their attempt to get 1" compacts off the ground and that is what people seem to want.

VisualFX wrote:

andre2you wrote:

Samsung is done with the camera business. I wish I never heard of the Samsung NX1 (ignorance is bliss) as it's the best camera for me out of the Cannon 70d, Sony A77mkII or the Nikon 7100. Now I just have to be satisfied that there are no native lenses with a range greater than 200mm. Everyone I show what the NX1 and lenses can do wants to buy mine from me. I love my NX!

I keep hearing people complain about lack of greater than 200mm on this system. Yet those same people don't even have any photos using other cameras with 200mm+ lenses. I question whether a lot of these people have ever owned and used anything over 200mm, or if it is all talk.

There is an NX 50-200 but it isn't their best build quality.  I think they had a justified complaint.  The 300/2.8 was never delivered.

Greynerd wrote:

Where have you picked up that Samsung are specifically dropping NX? I have only read and they have told me that they are discontinuing cameras as a whole in Europe and other areas.

Check Samsung USA website. They no longer list any cameras there, including support section.