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12-35 2.8 vs 14-140 II - how much better?

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akjos
akjos Veteran Member • Posts: 4,595
12-35 2.8 vs 14-140 II - how much better?

I got G7 and chose 14-140 lens as a kit.

It is great considering size weight and the price bundled with the G7

But i wonder how much better is the 12-35. Is it much sharper and and does it have the nano coating wow contrast?

If i got it i would still keep the 14-140 II likely (3.5-5.6) for certain situations.

I do have fx nikon and lot of lenses but using them less and less.

I have 25 1.7( which is ok but no super impressed with it. ) and 42.5 1.7 which is excellent. Maybe i will also get the 25 1.4 leica eventually but time will tell...

I tried 15 1.7 and liked it a lot but it was visibly decentered so it went back. Not sure if to try it again or get the 12-35 (i like the 12mm end although not essential and ois)

Thanks

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Len_Gee
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Way better.  

12-35 f/2.8 replaced my very sharp 14-45 f/3.5 on my Panny GX7, and recently acquired Oly Pen F.   For travel, 12-35 is my "go to" lens fitted on the camera.

Good luck.

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richj20 Forum Pro • Posts: 10,181
Re: 12-35 2.8 vs 14-140 II - how much better?
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akjos wrote:

I got G7 and chose 14-140 lens as a kit.

It is great considering size weight and the price bundled with the G7

But i wonder how much better is the 12-35. Is it much sharper

Theoretically, It should be, because it is ideal optically with a 3x zoom ratio, so it's not really a fair comparison with the 14-140mm, a general purpose superzoom. Also, the 12-35mm doesn't have the longer focal lengths of the 14-140mm, so there is nothing to compare in that regard.

Nonetheless, you might be surprised at how well the 14-140mm at 14-35mm compares to the 12-35mm. So, what are you gaining? 12mm, constant f/2.8.

and and does it have the nano coating wow contrast?

Read here:

http://shop.panasonic.com/cameras-and-camcorders/lumix-camera-lenses/H-HS12035.html

If i got it i would still keep the 14-140 II likely (3.5-5.6) for certain situations.

It is a nice all around lens for sure. It gets a great review here:

http://naturalexposures.com/panasonic-lumix-14-140mm-lens-review/

I assume you have specific uses in mind for both lenses, should you get the 12-35mm.

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Robiro Veteran Member • Posts: 6,813
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akjos wrote:

I got G7 and chose 14-140 lens as a kit.

It is great considering size weight and the price bundled with the G7

But i wonder how much better is the 12-35. Is it much sharper and and does it have the nano coating wow contrast?

It is sharper. But not THAT much.

At 25mm f4, the Pana 12-35mm equals or betters any prime lens in terms of resolution. It is that good.

On the other hand, 14-140mmII is very good as well.

I tried 15 1.7 and liked it a lot but it was visibly decentered so it went back. Not sure if to try it again or get the 12-35 (i like the 12mm end although not essential and ois)

There is definitely a difference between 12mm and 14mm. I can get shots with my 12-35 that I can not get with 14-140mm because it is not a 12mm lens at the wide end.

If money is no problem, get a 12-35mm. It is close to immune to shutter shock, unlike 14-140mmII which rattles like crazy.

You will be satisfied with 12-35. But do not expect a drastic increase in sharpness. There is not THAT much of a difference.

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Fredrik Glckner Veteran Member • Posts: 3,894
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Both lenses are very good.

The 12-35mm is fantastic at 12mm, and very good at 35mm. See my review here:

http://m43photo.blogspot.com/2013/01/lumix-x-12-35mm-f28-review.html

It is a bit annoying that it suffers from zoom creep, otherwise, it is a pure pleasure to use.

The 14-140mm II is also very good, considering the zoom range and the size/weight:

http://m43photo.blogspot.com/2015/06/lumix-kit-zoom-lenses-compared.html

No zoom creep with the 14-140mm II lens.

I have used both for years and years (since they were released), and I have used the 14-140mm II the most. It is very versatile.

Andreas Voigt Regular Member • Posts: 179
Re: 12-35 2.8 vs 14-140 II - how much better?

I got the 14-140 as kit with the GH4.

Based on the positive opinions in this thread, I must have gotten a really bad sample.

It is nowhere close to the 12-35 f2.8 and it gets even worse on the longer end when compared to the 35-100 f2.8  and the Oly 40-150 f2.8 respectively.

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akjos
OP akjos Veteran Member • Posts: 4,595
Re: 12-35 2.8 vs 14-140 II - how much better?

Fredrik Glckner wrote:

Both lenses are very good.

The 12-35mm is fantastic at 12mm, and very good at 35mm. See my review here:

http://m43photo.blogspot.com/2013/01/lumix-x-12-35mm-f28-review.html

It is a bit annoying that it suffers from zoom creep, otherwise, it is a pure pleasure to use.

The 14-140mm II is also very good, considering the zoom range and the size/weight:

http://m43photo.blogspot.com/2015/06/lumix-kit-zoom-lenses-compared.html

No zoom creep with the 14-140mm II lens.

I have used both for years and years (since they were released), and I have used the 14-140mm II the most. It is very versatile.

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so the 12-35 creeps and 14-140ii doesnt? That is disappointing . I just ordered it since it went on sale again plus i had 100$ gift card from previous purchase. So for 597 total . Hopefully it IS better
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akjos
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Re: 12-35 2.8 vs 14-140 II - how much better?

Andreas Voigt wrote:

I got the 14-140 as kit with the GH4.

Based on the positive opinions in this thread, I must have gotten a really bad sample.

It is nowhere close to the 12-35 f2.8 and it gets even worse on the longer end when compared to the 35-100 f2.8 and the Oly 40-150 f2.8 respectively.

Well... mine is good but not mindblowing which is to be expected for 28-280mm lens. I would say it is comparable to nikon 18-105 and 18-140 lenses. With the advantage of much longer reach.

Good thing i just ordered the 12-35 then  😂

akjos
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Nice and informative blog btw

Thanks for sharing

Robiro Veteran Member • Posts: 6,813
Re: 12-35 2.8 vs 14-140 II - how much better?

Andreas Voigt wrote:

I got the 14-140 as kit with the GH4.

Based on the positive opinions in this thread, I must have gotten a really bad sample.

Keep the shutter at 1/400s or  faster to avoid shutter shock with 14-140mm.

It is nowhere close to the 12-35 f2.8 and it gets even worse on the longer end when compared to the 35-100 f2.8 and the Oly 40-150 f2.8 respectively.

That is not true. Very sharp at 140mm even wide open.

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secretworld Senior Member • Posts: 1,734
Re: 12-35 2.8 vs 14-140 II - how much better?

Robiro wrote:

Andreas Voigt wrote:

I got the 14-140 as kit with the GH4.

Based on the positive opinions in this thread, I must have gotten a really bad sample.

Keep the shutter at 1/400s or faster to avoid shutter shock with 14-140mm.

It is nowhere close to the 12-35 f2.8 and it gets even worse on the longer end when compared to the 35-100 f2.8 and the Oly 40-150 f2.8 respectively.

That is not true. Very sharp at 140mm even wide open.

Agreed, since I have cameras with electronic shutters, all lenses I own got better .

Before that my 20mm f1.7 (which doesn't suffer from SS) was really better then my 14-45mm, but now the are equal.

Only prime that is a little sharper then the 14-45 is my Oly 45mm f1.8. But only when stopped down to f8. I tested a 12-35 f2.8 against my 14-45 but could not see any meaningful difference except of course the f stop.

I don't own a 14-140 but did use it a few times, from a friend and it is indeed a sharp lens when used with electronic shutter. It is a kittle less sharp then the 14-45 45-150 combo but not by much and only visible with 1:1 viewing.

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Jacques Cornell
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I posted about this a while back after I got a 14-140II to complement my 12-35/2.8 and 35-100/2.8. I got it for hiking & travel, and keep my 2.8s for low light event work & portraiture. Test shot comparisons convinced me I wasn't giving up much. The 2.8s ARE a bit sharper, but you'd be hard-pressed to see a difference in a properly sharpened print at 16"x21".

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57096621

akjos wrote:

I got G7 and chose 14-140 lens as a kit.

It is great considering size weight and the price bundled with the G7

But i wonder how much better is the 12-35. Is it much sharper and and does it have the nano coating wow contrast?

If i got it i would still keep the 14-140 II likely (3.5-5.6) for certain situations.

I do have fx nikon and lot of lenses but using them less and less.

I have 25 1.7( which is ok but no super impressed with it. ) and 42.5 1.7 which is excellent. Maybe i will also get the 25 1.4 leica eventually but time will tell...

I tried 15 1.7 and liked it a lot but it was visibly decentered so it went back. Not sure if to try it again or get the 12-35 (i like the 12mm end although not essential and ois)

Thanks

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KarlSalt Junior Member • Posts: 42
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I had both but to be honest there isn't that much in it if the light is good, indoors or low light then the 2.8 is a massive improvement. I ended up selling the 12-35 and got the 12-32 pancake (great little lens) to make a nice light weight kit and the 25 1.4 which I use when the light isn't so good.

cptobvious Contributing Member • Posts: 850
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Maybe I had a bad copy of the 14-140 II but it was significantly worse than the 12-35 I owned. The center throughout the range never got truly sharp and the corners were mush. Plus the build and materials quality was disappointing for a lens retailing at $700 (I had the new matte black version - it felt like just a larger version of the matte black 14-42 II).

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I bought a 12-35mm f2.8 and G7 to use as a package and I think that it's a very good lens and one advantage is that I can get a very similar look from the combination that I'd get from a ff camera and lens.

With ff I'd probably be mostly shooting between f4 and f11 (at the most) and with the MFT combination I can shoot at f2.8 to f5 (or smaller aperture if I wish) and when using the f2.8 to f5 type range I get the sort of ff look that a f3.5 to 5.6 zoom just can't match.

brianric Veteran Member • Posts: 8,980
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First 265 pictures shot with 14-140mm. Switch to 12-60mm for next 302 pictures as I needed the extra 2 mm at the wide end for some shots. Last 18 pictures were with Nikon D5. M43 camera was GX-8.

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john isaacs Veteran Member • Posts: 8,444
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akjos wrote:

Andreas Voigt wrote:

I got the 14-140 as kit with the GH4.

Based on the positive opinions in this thread, I must have gotten a really bad sample.

It is nowhere close to the 12-35 f2.8 and it gets even worse on the longer end when compared to the 35-100 f2.8 and the Oly 40-150 f2.8 respectively.

Well... mine is good but not mindblowing which is to be expected for 28-280mm lens. I would say it is comparable to nikon 18-105 and 18-140 lenses. With the advantage of much longer reach.

Good thing i just ordered the 12-35 then 😂

It is silly to convert the m43 lens to FF equivalent and not the Nikon DX lenses.

Andreas Voigt Regular Member • Posts: 179
Re: 12-35 2.8 vs 14-140 II - how much better?

secretworld wrote:

Robiro wrote:

Andreas Voigt wrote:

I got the 14-140 as kit with the GH4.

Based on the positive opinions in this thread, I must have gotten a really bad sample.

Keep the shutter at 1/400s or faster to avoid shutter shock with 14-140mm.

It is nowhere close to the 12-35 f2.8 and it gets even worse on the longer end when compared to the 35-100 f2.8 and the Oly 40-150 f2.8 respectively.

That is not true. Very sharp at 140mm even wide open.

Agreed, since I have cameras with electronic shutters, all lenses I own got better .

Before that my 20mm f1.7 (which doesn't suffer from SS) was really better then my 14-45mm, but now the are equal.

Only prime that is a little sharper then the 14-45 is my Oly 45mm f1.8. But only when stopped down to f8. I tested a 12-35 f2.8 against my 14-45 but could not see any meaningful difference except of course the f stop.

I don't own a 14-140 but did use it a few times, from a friend and it is indeed a sharp lens when used with electronic shutter. It is a kittle less sharp then the 14-45 45-150 combo but not by much and only visible with 1:1 viewing.

Of course, no doubt, the 14-140 produces acceptable results. Otherwise I would not use that lens. But the question was "compared to the 12-25".

And for video it is my lens of choice.

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woof woof wrote:

I bought a 12-35mm f2.8 and G7 to use as a package and I think that it's a very good lens and one advantage is that I can get a very similar look from the combination that I'd get from a ff camera and lens.

With ff I'd probably be mostly shooting between f4 and f11 (at the most) and with the MFT combination I can shoot at f2.8 to f5 (or smaller aperture if I wish) and when using the f2.8 to f5 type range I get the sort of ff look that a f3.5 to 5.6 zoom just can't match.

That is very true. When i got D700 and 24-70 like 5 years ago as my first FX setup i kept stopping down to at least F4 or 5.6 especially at 70mm just to get SOME background

12-35 is coming though and I can't wait to test it out and compare to the 14-140II.

Thanks

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