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EF 85mm f/1.2L II on a moving subject - results straight out of the box

Started Jun 23, 2016 | Discussions
Jonathan Brady
Jonathan Brady Veteran Member • Posts: 6,725
EF 85mm f/1.2L II on a moving subject - results straight out of the box

I literally just received this lens, refurbished from Canon thanks to the Father's Day refurb sale, and I was pretty hesitant to order it because although I've REALLY wanted it, the reports of slow AF had me worried. A couple of months ago, I had an opportunity to mount one on my 6D (since sold) and play with it for about 2 minutes and I found the reports to be overblown, IMO. So, when this deal arrived, I pounced on it.

Just to be sure I wasn't out of my mind, the very first thing I did when the lens arrived a few minutes ago was to mount it to my camera (now the 5D Mark III) and take my dog outside for a few quick pictures. Settings were:

  • f/1.2
  • 1/8000
  • ISO 100
  • AI Servo
  • High Speed burst
  • Case 1 tracking (not really relevant)
  • Focus priority 1st and 2nd shot
  • Selectable AF point - keeping that one point over Maya's eye as best as possible

These were minimally processed. Decreased highlights because the f/1.2 aperture just let in SO much light, normal sharpening, and purple fringing fixed (expected it given the black/white nature of her fur - I get the same thing with the 85/1.8).

First shot

AF point is on her left eye (camera right)

This is the same picture, cropped in tight

Now, for the next 4 images as she strode towards me...

Remember, she was walking the entire time. Not fast, just casually walking in the grass. Here's the last image, above, but without the crop...

As you can see, I've panned the camera and her placement vs the background is different, although her body appears to be in basically the same position, gate-wise.

Are the images SUPER sharp for a 100% crop? (yes, this IS a 100% crop) Of course not. It's f/1.2, I've literally never used the lens before, haven't checked to see if it needs microadjusting, and 100% crops are rarely ULTRA sharp wide open - especially at f/1.2, etc. But can the AF in the lens keep up with a little bit of movement? Absolutely. Should people who are shooting anything like this (movement wise, or less) be scared to buy this lens? Absolutely not. If I can do this, straight out of the box, first time shooting, what's stopping me (or anyone else) from improving upon this result going forward?

My minimally informed opinion at this point? This lens is absolutely usable for the vast majority of portraits, even with subjects who are moving at a casual pace, if you're interested. I plan to continue testing out the lens to find it's, and my, limitations for moving subjects but I have the feeling I won't find the AF too limiting for the majority of my shoots. Should I find it impossible for a certain circumstance, I have the 85/1.8 which can come to the rescue.

Hope this helps someone

EDIT: By the way, I didn't use one of the 5 dual cross type points.  This was the upper left-most corner of the middle 21 AF points which, from what I can tell, is the LEAST sensitive of the cross type points based on this diagram...

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Jonathan Brady
OP Jonathan Brady Veteran Member • Posts: 6,725
CLEARLY not as helpful as I thought it might be!

lol

Dave
Dave Veteran Member • Posts: 6,231
Re: EF 85mm f/1.2L II on a moving subject - results straight out of the box

So works great even with one hand tied behind its back? 

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BlueRay2 Forum Pro • Posts: 14,816
Re: EF 85mm f/1.2L II on a moving subject - results straight out of the box
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i don't know about you but i find CA unbearable!!!!!

Jonathan Brady
OP Jonathan Brady Veteran Member • Posts: 6,725
Re: EF 85mm f/1.2L II on a moving subject - results straight out of the box

1Dx4me wrote:

i don't know about you but i find CA unbearable!!!!!

Well, fringing isn't my favorite thing in the world, but remember, those are 100% crops. In the full size image, it's not noticeable. To me anyway. And I only moved the slider to 3. Could have moved it much further. If and when Canon comes out with version 3, I'm sure the AF will be improved along with the new blue refractive optics which should pretty much eliminate fringing. Of course the price will probably increase 50% too...

Jonathan Brady
OP Jonathan Brady Veteran Member • Posts: 6,725
Re: EF 85mm f/1.2L II on a moving subject - results straight out of the box

Dave wrote:

So works great even with one hand tied behind its back?

Ha! Having me use it is like having one hand behind the back and the other arm having just been slept on and it's all tingly because blood flow hasn't quite come back yet!

jitteringjr Veteran Member • Posts: 3,608
Re: CLEARLY not as helpful as I thought it might be!
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Jonathan Brady wrote:

lol

Well the dog isn't exactly tearing up the track...

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Jonathan Brady
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Re: CLEARLY not as helpful as I thought it might be!

jitteringjr wrote:

Jonathan Brady wrote:

lol

Well the dog isn't exactly tearing up the track...

Oh, definitely not. And I don't believe that it could keep up if she were, at least not with my skills. My point was just that many people are scared to even try this lens because of people who say the AF is "completely unusable". I've lost count of the number of times I've seen that said.

The purpose of this post was to prove these hyperbolic exclaimers absolutely wrong. I've shown that the AF, in the hands of someone who has never used it before, can even keep up with a dog casually pacing around, and with a single AF point, no less. I'd hardly call that "completely unusable".

jitteringjr Veteran Member • Posts: 3,608
Re: CLEARLY not as helpful as I thought it might be!

Jonathan Brady wrote:

Oh, definitely not. And I don't believe that it could keep up if she were, at least not with my skills.

I know its probably not the first choice for indoor basketball, but I have definitely seen great basketball images from the 1.2.  I think it can do much better than your examples even you or myself are behind the camera.

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Spotted Cow Senior Member • Posts: 1,586
Re: CLEARLY not as helpful as I thought it might be!

jitteringjr wrote:

Jonathan Brady wrote:

Oh, definitely not. And I don't believe that it could keep up if she were, at least not with my skills.

I know its probably not the first choice for indoor basketball, but I have definitely seen great basketball images from the 1.2. I think it can do much better than your examples even you or myself are behind the camera.

I asked about the ability to focus quickly enough even for shooting events with this lens. There was a poster who had posted basketball images shot with it. I believe he was shooting from the baseline and the images were great. After seeing those images and other posters' comments, I decided that the autofocus was more than quick enough.

Nickels Regular Member • Posts: 458
Re: EF 85mm f/1.2L II on a moving subject - results straight out of the box

Unless the subject is still,I can't get anything in focus with this lens. Even wide open,mega shutter speed. When the subject stops,the photos are wonderful but a little movement and I can't capture it. Perhaps it's me...but this beast focuses pretty slow. Geared for portraiture for sure. Psssst, I'm selling mine actually. Just sayin

Jonathan Brady
OP Jonathan Brady Veteran Member • Posts: 6,725
Re: EF 85mm f/1.2L II on a moving subject - results straight out of the box

Do you shoot in AI Servo?  How about back button focusing?  That's how I shot these and I find that combo of settings works really well for portraits, even though it's realistically probably more suitable for "action" shots.

Nickels Regular Member • Posts: 458
Re: EF 85mm f/1.2L II on a moving subject - results straight out of the box

Jonathan Brady wrote:

Do you shoot in AI Servo? How about back button focusing? That's how I shot these and I find that combo of settings works really well for portraits, even though it's realistically probably more suitable for "action" shots.

I have shot in Servo,but I tend to forget about it. Whats back button focusing? lol

Jonathan Brady
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Re: EF 85mm f/1.2L II on a moving subject - results straight out of the box

Nickels wrote:

Jonathan Brady wrote:

Do you shoot in AI Servo? How about back button focusing? That's how I shot these and I find that combo of settings works really well for portraits, even though it's realistically probably more suitable for "action" shots.

I have shot in Servo,but I tend to forget about it. Whats back button focusing? lol

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2011/backbutton_af_article.shtml

Scott Larson Veteran Member • Posts: 7,505
Re: CLEARLY not as helpful as I thought it might be!

jitteringjr wrote:

I know its probably not the first choice for indoor basketball, but I have definitely seen great basketball images from the 1.2. I think it can do much better than your examples even you or myself are behind the camera.

You can certainly get basketball images with it. You just get fewer frames per second as the focus motor tries to keep up, and you'll get longer periods of no photos if the AF locks on the background.

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