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Hen3ry
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At last - waterfall with blurred water!
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I've seen a lot of these on the forum and in other places, but haven't been in a position to make a contribution to the genre for various reasons (mainly to do with not having my tripod with me when I have been adjacent to flowing water).

So on Saturday there I found myself at a nice little waterfall in New Ireland WITH TRIPOD! With shaking hands I set it up and…darn it, I had the GX7 camera instead of the G6 with its fully articulated screen which would ave been very handy for the vertical shots.

@ 1/10 sec.

@ 1/10 sec.

@ 1/100 sec.

I have seen various objections to the smoothing effect of extended exposures, so I thought I would do a range. In fact, I did from 1-1/100 sec. The 1/10 (approx.) zone seemed to me to give the truest rendering of what I saw. The 1/100 sec shows rougher water but it is not what I saw, not my impression.

This waterfall never stops. This whole area is uplifted coral which is full of holes and receives a lot of rain so the water is always flowing. Right now, it is the dry (less wet) season so the flow is only moderate.

The fall is about 20 or so meters high. Maybe 30.

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Agree with 1/10s
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The 1s or longer exposures too often seen here get boring after a while with the unnatural smoothness. Very refreshing to see these with what one would expect to perceive in situ.

maggiemole Senior Member • Posts: 1,988
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I agree with you, Geoff, about the 1/10th second exposure being the truest rendering. I have friends who take seascapes and almost all want to produce a flat misty sea which you can never see. Very nice waterfall, shame it's so far from Europe!

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Too far from Europe?

maggiemole wrote:

I agree with you, Geoff, about the 1/10th second exposure being the truest rendering. I have friends who take seascapes and almost all want to produce a flat misty sea which you can never see. Very nice waterfall, shame it's so far from Europe!

That, Maggie, is what this is on the site of what is planned to be the world's most exclusive retreat!

But there are backpacker places not far away. Just jump on a plane…

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richj20 Forum Pro • Posts: 10,181
Re: At last - waterfall with blurred water!
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Hen3ry wrote:

I have seen various objections to the smoothing effect of extended exposures, so I thought I would do a range. In fact, I did from 1-1/100 sec. The 1/10 (approx.) zone seemed to me to give the truest rendering of what I saw. The 1/100 sec shows rougher water but it is not what I saw, not my impression.

Beautiful waterfall, Geoffrey!

The 1/10 sec. exposure is nice. People often strive for an artistic effect for water with very slow shutter speeds. The photographs by John Sexton of the Merced River in Yosemite National Park are an example:

http://shop.anseladams.com/Merced_River_Happy_Isles_Yosemite_p/17150312.htm

Another example by a different photographer, Paul Chong:

https://paulchongphotography.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/river-water.jpg

Showing a range of shutter speeds is interesting to display the different effects of water. I'm doing a series on the Kern River in the Sequoia National Park, California, showing the different "moods" of the river. A fast shutter speed in the white water areas reveals the power and fury of the river, for example.

best regards,

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Very nice set. Thanks for tip regarding the speed of the photo. I also find the last one a very nice capture.

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The power and the fury!
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richj20 wrote:

Hen3ry wrote:

I have seen various objections to the smoothing effect of extended exposures, so I thought I would do a range. In fact, I did from 1-1/100 sec. The 1/10 (approx.) zone seemed to me to give the truest rendering of what I saw. The 1/100 sec shows rougher water but it is not what I saw, not my impression.

Beautiful waterfall, Geoffrey!

The 1/10 sec. exposure is nice. People often strive for an artistic effect for water with very slow shutter speeds. The photographs by John Sexton of the Merced River in Yosemite National Park are an example:

http://shop.anseladams.com/Merced_River_Happy_Isles_Yosemite_p/17150312.htm

Another example by a different photographer, Paul Chong:

https://paulchongphotography.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/river-water.jpg

Showing a range of shutter speeds is interesting to display the different effects of water. I'm doing a series on the Kern River in the Sequoia National Park, California, showing the different "moods" of the river. A fast shutter speed in the white water areas reveals the power and fury of the river, for example.

Right on with this last sentence, rich. I rejected the 1/100 pic because it was too  powerful and furious for this little waterfall and had totally the wrong feel about it.

But lots of fast moving waster and rapids and falls and whatnot -- yes, yes, yes, faster shutter speed to show the water leaping about and smashing rocks (well, quite slowly smashing rocks! :))

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Bill Wallace Veteran Member • Posts: 7,020
Re: At last - waterfall with blurred water!

Very nice Geoffrey. If you really want to have some fun  get a 10 stop nd and see what you get. I love silting water but it's certainly not everyone's taste. These are nicely done my friend.

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Geoff

Interesting and thought provoking thread.  Looking at various water pictures, you are right. It's about capturing the mood of the water and 1/10th was right for your waterfalls.

thanks

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nebulla Senior Member • Posts: 1,528
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I like # 1 too. Both the rendering and the composition . Nice work Geoff

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Hand-held water blur?

Yes, 1/10 seems about right for this waterfall. It seems you might have treated yourself to a smooth waterfall earlier in your "career" by simply hand-holding 1/10 when you didn't have your tripod with you. With 3 shots you can probably expect that at least one of them will work out right.

The GX7 has IBIS, does it not?

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One reason why I love my EM1, unless I want really long shutter speeds (over 1 second) I can do these sort of shots handheld. I've been meaning to try some really slow ones, but whenever I get to locations like this I never tend to have a tripod or ND filters with me.

I like to take a variety of shots at different shutter speeds, firstly, because my wife yells at me when I make them too blurry, and secondly, because I find that selecting a good shutter speed really depends on the subject. How close you are, how fast the water is moving, what is the focal point, etc.

Heres a few of the same framing at different speeds:

a bit too slow for my tastes

this is the one I used

shutter speed is too fast here, making the foamy water look static

Heres some more at various shutter speeds as well

I had a slower version of this, but it looked much better with the bubbles frozen in clear detail

Gary from Seattle Veteran Member • Posts: 7,852
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The earlier mention of the power and fury of a large waterfall is bang on in my view. When the scale of a waterfall is great, what one wants to emphasize is just that, power and fury, so a short SS best produces that result. However, to my artistic eye (forgetting what others may critique) with waterfalls of small volume, a longer exposure produces more interesting results. A small waterfall is really just a bunch of related drips and shot as such doesn't produce an interesting image. Blurring the image spreads the falling water over a broader area of the substrate of the waterfall. I find 1/4s to 1/2s to me produces the best images in these latter situations.

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Blown-out white water is the bane of  waterfall photographers.

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morepix wrote:

Blown-out white water is the bane of waterfall photographers.

Eh, I'm not a proponent of preserving highlights just for the sake of preserving highlights, especially when it goes against what I'm trying to do contrast wise. I could pull the highlights back on some of these but it wouldn't make the water look better, just more gray.

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Re: The power and the fury!
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Hen3ry wrote:

richj20 wrote:

Hen3ry wrote:

I have seen various objections to the smoothing effect of extended exposures, so I thought I would do a range. In fact, I did from 1-1/100 sec. The 1/10 (approx.) zone seemed to me to give the truest rendering of what I saw. The 1/100 sec shows rougher water but it is not what I saw, not my impression.

Beautiful waterfall, Geoffrey!

The 1/10 sec. exposure is nice. People often strive for an artistic effect for water with very slow shutter speeds. The photographs by John Sexton of the Merced River in Yosemite National Park are an example:

http://shop.anseladams.com/Merced_River_Happy_Isles_Yosemite_p/17150312.htm

Another example by a different photographer, Paul Chong:

https://paulchongphotography.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/river-water.jpg

Showing a range of shutter speeds is interesting to display the different effects of water. I'm doing a series on the Kern River in the Sequoia National Park, California, showing the different "moods" of the river. A fast shutter speed in the white water areas reveals the power and fury of the river, for example.

Right on with this last sentence, rich. I rejected the 1/100 pic because it was too powerful and furious for this little waterfall and had totally the wrong feel about it.

But lots of fast moving waster and rapids and falls and whatnot -- yes, yes, yes, faster shutter speed to show the water leaping about and smashing rocks (well, quite slowly smashing rocks! :))

It's fascinating how the effect of water can be rendered. Consider this scene: the road around this lake in a local park is designed to be a spillway at this point, so that a torrential rain, as happened on this occasion, will allow the water to flow into a river below.

I chose a shutter speed of 1/100 sec because from this vantage point, it gave enough "definition" (for lack of a better word) to the water flowing over the spillway.

Close up, however, the differences in effect can be striking. Note that a given shutter speed doesn't render the same effect for every situation. The first uses 1/10 sec. but is quite different than what 1/10 sec. produced for your waterfall.

1/10 sec.

1/250 sec. produced the effect I wanted as a contrast to the above.

It's great fun to experiment with a water scene!

best regards, Geoffrey,

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That's really interesting, rich. The 1/10 gives an impression of great speed, and 1/250 more of power. I would be torn between the two.

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Re: Hand-held water blur?

morepix wrote:

Yes, 1/10 seems about right for this waterfall. It seems you might have treated yourself to a smooth waterfall earlier in your "career" by simply hand-holding 1/10 when you didn't have your tripod with you. With 3 shots you can probably expect that at least one of them will work out right.

Well, back in the day with film…

The GX7 has IBIS, does it not?

Yes it does, more, and the 12-35 lens used has excellent OIS.

My main problem here has been a lack of waterfalls rather than a total inability to shoot at 1/10.

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Hen3ry wrote:

That's really interesting, rich. The 1/10 gives an impression of great speed, and 1/250 more of power. I would be torn between the two.

I think the 1/10 effect is enhanced by the amount of water between the railings. In your waterfall, there is not as much volume, thus, a quite different effect even though we used the same shutter speed.

What got me going on this was your comment in the first post:

  • The 1/10 (approx.) zone seemed to me to give the truest rendering of what I saw. The 1/100 sec shows rougher water but it is not what I saw, not my impression.

I've often deliberated at a scene, whether to attempt to render what I saw, or create something different. Both, I suppose, are valid, and perhaps depends on what one wants to do with the final image: document, or express some feeling or emotion.

Thelatter reminded me of some quotes, which I looked up in my notes:

  • "I don't photograph the world as it is. I photograph the world as I would like it to be." - Monte Zucker
  • "Don't shoot what it looks like. Shoot what it feels like." - David Alan Harvey

It's something to ponder...

- Richard

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The first one Geoff, that's the one mate. Very nice look and feel to it and also love the vegetation, wild and I want to be there. Darn nice work.

Certainly go back and try the tripod and at different times of the day. You might even find with the angles and sunlight, a bit of a glow from behind the water or even a slight rainbow. Well worth the time and exploring the angles and sunlight.

All the best over your way, very nicely worked Geoff.

Danny.

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