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Best M4/3 lens for magnification?

Started May 6, 2016 | Discussions
carlo14 Junior Member • Posts: 32
Best M4/3 lens for magnification?

I'm very confused about micro four thirds lens' macro "capabilities" and want to make sure I invest in the best lens for what I enjoy doing, which is photographing bugs and insects.

I'm well aware that only a true macro lens will give a true 1:1 ratio but am more interested in what would be the better longer focal length zoom for what I am doing.  On a more fundamental point I'm confused about the magnification ratios given; what's better for example, a 0.25x magnification or a 0.19x magnification (apologies if this is a daft question.)

And in a similar vein, which of these lenses would give me the biggest image on my sensor; the Panasonic 14-140 which has 0.25x, the 45-200 which has 0.19x, or the 100-300 which apparently has 0.21x?  I'm presuming the minimum focus distance has some relevance here?

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Jim Salvas
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Re: Best M4/3 lens for magnification?

The bigger the number, the greater the magnification. At 0.25x you are at 1/4 life size on the sensor. At 0.19x you are just short of 1/5 life size. Among non-dedicated macro lenses, I believe the Olympus 12-50mm, which has a macro mode, has the greatest magification at nearly 1/2 life size.

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OP carlo14 Junior Member • Posts: 32
Re: Best M4/3 lens for magnification?

Thank you.  Does that mean that the minimum focusing distance is irrelevant then, you just need to take note of the magnification figure?

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Re: Best M4/3 lens for magnification?

carlo14 wrote:

Thank you. Does that mean that the minimum focusing distance is irrelevant then, you just need to take note of the magnification figure?

The magnification factor is most important, but minimum focus distance gives you an idea of how much working room you have. That's important in macro, because it becomes difficult to light your subjects at very close distances. In general, longer focal length lenses give you more working distance.

by the way, I misspoke on the 12-50mm. It's maximum magnification figure is 0.36x, still better than other non-macros in m43.

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TomFid Veteran Member • Posts: 4,000
Re: Best M4/3 lens for magnification?

Jim Salvas wrote:

carlo14 wrote:

Thank you. Does that mean that the minimum focusing distance is irrelevant then, you just need to take note of the magnification figure?

The magnification factor is most important, but minimum focus distance gives you an idea of how much working room you have. That's important in macro, because it becomes difficult to light your subjects at very close distances. In general, longer focal length lenses give you more working distance.

Right. There can be too much of a good thing though. Working distance on the 100-300 is something like five feet, which is great if you're shooting an angry hornet. It also gives nice background separation. But the long focal length makes you work a lot harder with static subjects like flowers that don't need the distance.

by the way, I misspoke on the 12-50mm. It's maximum magnification figure is 0.36x, still better than other non-macros in m43.

... which is still pretty respectable, when you consider that it's .72 ff equivalent.

The 12-40 is also pretty respectable in terms of close focus. It's not a true macro, but it's good for wildflowers and things like that, with 0.3x magnification.

My favorite is a legacy Canon FD 50mm that I picked up in mint condition for $60. There are quite a few similar lenses floating around. They're a cheap option if you don't mind manual focus and aperture.

(unknown member) Contributing Member • Posts: 611
Ratios and magnification

1:1 is true macro, and it is same as 1.0x

2:1 would be 2.0x

1:2 is only a 0.5x

So when you know optical magnification (0.5x, 0.28x, 0.16x etc) or reproduction ratio (1:1, 2:1, 1:2 etc) then you can work out the size you get with sensor size.

1:1 with 4/3 sensor gives 17.3x13mm capture area.

1:2 with 4/3 sensor gives 34.6x26mm capture area.

1:1 with 35mm sensor gives 36x24mm capture area (3:2 ratio instead 4:3)

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Re: Best M4/3 lens for magnification?

Olympus 70-300mm (4/3 mount) was great as with manual focus you got 300mm to be a 1:2 / 0.5x and that meant the focus distance was a 96cm from sensor, and lens was about 35cm then so you got 60cm working distance.

Olympus takes some serious proudness to have excellent close-up focus distances with tele and wide angles. It is like their 45mm f/1.8 is the "worst" contender for that group.

Nawty Junior Member • Posts: 48
Re: Best M4/3 lens for magnification?

You can view MFD, FL and Magnification as interdependent.

The magnification is a factor of the focal length and then how close you can get to the subject at MFD.

If you then change the MFD so you can get closer whilst keeping the FL the same, obviously the magnification goes up

Or.

If you make the focal length longer without affecting the MFD then also the magnification goes up.

Also, focus and magnification are synonymous at close distances, which is why macro lenses often have markings such as 1:1, 1:2, :1:4 on the barrel for focus ring.

Skeeterbytes Forum Pro • Posts: 23,186
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Working distance is another important consideration,  and is solely a product of focal length. The 4/3 35 macro gives "true" 1:1 but the distance to subject is very short, making shadows a problem and tracking critters a challenge. Adapted 150mm macros are sought-after for these reasons.

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SteveY80 Senior Member • Posts: 2,087
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One thing you might want to consider is that you can add an extension tube or diopter close-up filter to a zoom to increase its magnification.

I've tried using a Raynox DCR-250 +8 diopter on my Panasonic 100-300mm. That increases the magnification to around 1:1 at 100mm, and around 3:1 at 300mm.

The results were pretty good at 100-200mm, although quality suffers beyond that. Of course you can sometimes end up with too much magnification - I find it hard to get consistently good results handheld much beyond 1:1.

Here's an example from the middle of the zoom range, a bit less than 2:1:

Here's my best attempt at getting a shot at maximum 3:1 magnification:

Those little leafhoppers are about 3mm long - that should give you an idea of how narrow the depth of field is at that magnification, even when stopped down to f/22.

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