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Focus stacking: E-M1 with Oly 60 macro

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I take quite a few snaps of pretty flowers and such, and while a swirly defocussed background is usually attractive, sometimes the defocussed front and rear parts of the flower are not (smile). So I've run some garage experiments with an automatically step-focussed and merged stack in the E-M1 using the Oly 60 macro lens at f2.8, and compared the results with a Photoshop align and blend of the same stack. Snaps are all JPGs, I've never been able to get any RAWs to look as good as the Oly ooc JPGs and have given up trying...

General setup

The above snap shows the general setup, I more or less filled the frame with the Lens Align target tilted at 20 degrees. The smallest steps on the target, from 32 up to 32 down, covered a depth of around 19 or 20 cm, meaning each step had a depth of around 3 mm. The "0" of the target was around 62 cm from the sensor plane.

Base snap, focus on smallest "0", f2.8, ISO 200

100% crop of base snap

I thought I focused on the "0", and the above crops show the depth of focus of a snap at f2.8 around 45 cm distant. In fact we can see that the focus point was just slightly above the "0", probably more on the smallest "1", and, depending on your definition of out of focus, we might think that the smallest "0", "1", and "2" are in focus, suggesting a depth of field of around 9 mm. Interestingly, the Android app "HyperFocal Pro" tells us that it thinks the depth of field is around 8 mm for this setup.

Oly in-camera 8-frame "differential = 2" stack merge

Photoshop 8-frame diff = 2 stack blend

I set the E-M1 to focus stack with a "focus differential" of "2", and snapped away. The resulting cropped in-camera merge is shown above, along with the Photoshop merge. In PS, I first aligned the stack using "Collage" as the projection (alignment) method, and then blended the stack using "seamless tones".

The Oly in-camera merge gives us an image with a depth of focus from around 9 or 10 up to perhaps 3 down, a depth of field of around 40 mm. The PS merge gives a slighter wider DOF, perhaps from around 11 up to 4 down. Both merges are reasonably pleasing, but interestingly, the align and merge algorithms of Olympus in-camera and Photoshop take quite different approaches to artefacts.

100% crop of Oly in-camera merge

Pixel-peeping the Oly merge shows strong halos, ghosting, or ringing at high contrast edges. We can see the ghosting around every digit, and inside most of the rectangles.

100% crop of Photoshop blend

Pixel-peeping the PS merge shows ghosting under almost perfect control, but instead shows a myriad of alignment and blending artefacts. We can see the smallest 5 up has a scrap of oof image tacked onto the right side of the "5" loop, and the rectangle holding the smallest 5 up has a "tab" attached to its top right edge. Similar artefacts can be seen elsewhere, such as on the top of the medium "0" loop, the rectangle edges between the medium 6 up and 4 up digits, and so on.

Oly merge "differential = 4"

PS blend diff=4

The results of shooting a stack at differential = 4 show us that the depth of focus has improved for the Oly in-camera merge to around 8 up and 8 down, but the PS blend gives us from around 22 up to 6 down. The Oly merge has failed somewhat in extracting the in-focus parts of the scene that the PS blend has successfully captured. Interestingly, the Oly merge shows something of an oof band running through 11 to 16 up, then a more in focus band from maybe 17 to 22 up -- which is where PS got to, but without the oof band...

Oly merge differential = 6

PS blend diff=6

The results of differential = 6 are along similar lines, the Oly merge pretty much failing to do its job, while the PS blend is far more successful, although we can now see oof banding along the target, at around 8 and 9 up, 14 and 15 up, and 21 up, and 7 down. I shot differentials of 8 and 10, but they added nothing to the story that we can see for differential = 6. I ran a similar series of tests with the Oly 40-150 shooting at 150 mm and f2.8, with very similar results.

Oly focus stacking with 40-150 Pro at 150/2.8

There, I used Photoshop's "Auto" for alignment, and unchecked "seamless tones" for the merge. I think the PS results this time around were better with "Collage" for alignment and "seamless tones" in the blend.

A clear result was that the Oly focusing algorithm distributes its 8 frames to improve focus in the front third and the rear two thirds of the scene relative to the nominal focus point.

What would I take away? (1) Provided the stack steps ("differentials") give good in-focus overlap to the series of frames, both Oly and PS give pleasing merges. The difference is in their artefacts. (2) Oly gives superior stack alignment so there are few and not so "funny" oof bits where you would not expect to see them. On the other hand, Oly ghosting on high contrast edges is dreadful. Photoshop is the opposite, terrific ghosting control, but oof "funny" bits peppered all over the place. (3) As the stack steps increase and so good overlap reduces or disappears, the Oly merge fails to give a satisfactory result, while the PS blend does the best it can, pretty successfully given what it is working with, with modest oof banding across the image where the lack of overlap was worst.

An issue remains -- what is meant by "focus differential" in Oly-speak? For my use, I've decided that I can set a focus differential to the f-stop I want to use. If I'm shooting at f1.4, differential = 1. For f2 or f2.4, differential = 2. For f2.8, differential = 3. For f4, differential = 4. You get it, up to f8 and differential = 8. I seem to get the focus overlap that the Oly in-camera merge algorithms need, and don't have to do the Photoshop thing.

For my artistic work, the Oly ghosting adds to the artistry! For my engineering work, though, it has to be a PS merge.  It may be worth adding that, in PS, the mask set for each frame just before the blend can be adjusted in its layer.  If you are willing to put in such detail work, you can eliminate all the PS "funny" oof bits and get a near-perfect ghost-free blend.

Unsharp Mask of earlier 100% Oly crop of in-camera merge with diff=2, amount 100% radius 10 threshold 0

If we don't want a layer by layer manual mask inspection and adjustment but do want to try and fix the Oly ghosting, we could try the unsharp mask in PS. The above image shows the result of a fairly gross amount 100% of a radius 10 pixel level 0 threshold Unsharp Mask on the earlier Oly merge. Ghosting almost eliminated at the cost of unrealistically crisp and contrasty edges.

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Re: Focus stacking: E-M1 with Oly 60 macro

Thank you for posting this interesting test. As you point out there is no information from olympus explaining in detail what value is the focus differential. There have been discussions about this topic but I cannot remember having read an understandable technical solution.  I will try your approach with the f-stop as  reference.
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Fantastic effort!  Thanks for this.  I know it will be appreciated by many.

The 60mm is next on my list for purchase.  Worth the value?

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ranger604 wrote:

Fantastic effort! Thanks for this. I know it will be appreciated by many.

The 60mm is next on my list for purchase. Worth the value?

It's a fantastic lens. This is my first attempt with focus stacking with this lens (auto focus bracketing on M10 ll + stacking with a separate software).

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Photo Pete Veteran Member • Posts: 5,430
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Thanks for the effort taken to post this. Really informative.

I've never found the in camera stacking at macro distances to produce a consistant result, often failing to increase the zone of sharpness as much as should be possible given the shots which were taken. This seems to back that up.

I love the logic you use for the focus differential settings based upon aperture. We don't know if this is how it works... But if it certainly should be!

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Okapi001 wrote:

ranger604 wrote:

Fantastic effort! Thanks for this. I know it will be appreciated by many.

The 60mm is next on my list for purchase. Worth the value?

It's a fantastic lens. This is my first attempt with focus stacking with this lens (auto focus bracketing on M10 ll + stacking with a separate software).

nice shot! Feel like I need to take out my 60mm macro more often! Does the E-M10ii support processing focus bracketing into a single stacked JPG?

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bigley Ling wrote:

Okapi001 wrote:

ranger604 wrote:

Fantastic effort! Thanks for this. I know it will be appreciated by many.

The 60mm is next on my list for purchase. Worth the value?

It's a fantastic lens. This is my first attempt with focus stacking with this lens

nice shot! Feel like I need to take out my 60mm macro more often! Does the E-M10ii support processing focus bracketing into a single stacked JPG?

No, you have to do it with a computer.

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I know this is an old thread but want to thank the OP for a cogent, detailed analysis of the differences between in-camera and photoshop focus stacking capabilities!

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Hi Paul

Thanks for the kind words, appreciated! You might have seen a post of mine summarising some of my various findings on Oly in-camera focus stacking:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58600446

With luck, I'll run through some in-camera stacking with the E-M1 II I have on pre-order and post a message in case anything interesting pops up (smile).

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lester11 wrote:

Hi Paul

Thanks for the kind words, appreciated! You might have seen a post of mine summarising some of my various findings on Oly in-camera focus stacking:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58600446

With luck, I'll run through some in-camera stacking with the E-M1 II I have on pre-order and post a message in case anything interesting pops up (smile).

Hi Lester...I actually read that article too!  I am going to get a couple of extension tubes and try my hand at focus stacking in the EM1.

I will look for your EM1 II analysis....

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lester11 wrote:

I take quite a few snaps of pretty flowers and such, and while a swirly defocussed background is usually attractive, sometimes the defocussed front and rear parts of the flower are not (smile). So I've run some garage experiments with an automatically step-focussed and merged stack in the E-M1 using the Oly 60 macro lens at f2.8, and compared the results with a Photoshop align and blend of the same stack. Snaps are all JPGs, I've never been able to get any RAWs to look as good as the Oly ooc JPGs and have given up trying...

General setup

The above snap shows the general setup, I more or less filled the frame with the Lens Align target tilted at 20 degrees. The smallest steps on the target, from 32 up to 32 down, covered a depth of around 19 or 20 cm, meaning each step had a depth of around 3 mm. The "0" of the target was around 62 cm from the sensor plane.

Base snap, focus on smallest "0", f2.8, ISO 200

100% crop of base snap

I thought I focused on the "0", and the above crops show the depth of focus of a snap at f2.8 around 45 cm distant. In fact we can see that the focus point was just slightly above the "0", probably more on the smallest "1", and, depending on your definition of out of focus, we might think that the smallest "0", "1", and "2" are in focus, suggesting a depth of field of around 9 mm. Interestingly, the Android app "HyperFocal Pro" tells us that it thinks the depth of field is around 8 mm for this setup.

Oly in-camera 8-frame "differential = 2" stack merge

Photoshop 8-frame diff = 2 stack blend

I set the E-M1 to focus stack with a "focus differential" of "2", and snapped away. The resulting cropped in-camera merge is shown above, along with the Photoshop merge. In PS, I first aligned the stack using "Collage" as the projection (alignment) method, and then blended the stack using "seamless tones".

The Oly in-camera merge gives us an image with a depth of focus from around 9 or 10 up to perhaps 3 down, a depth of field of around 40 mm. The PS merge gives a slighter wider DOF, perhaps from around 11 up to 4 down. Both merges are reasonably pleasing, but interestingly, the align and merge algorithms of Olympus in-camera and Photoshop take quite different approaches to artefacts.

100% crop of Oly in-camera merge

Pixel-peeping the Oly merge shows strong halos, ghosting, or ringing at high contrast edges. We can see the ghosting around every digit, and inside most of the rectangles.

100% crop of Photoshop blend

Pixel-peeping the PS merge shows ghosting under almost perfect control, but instead shows a myriad of alignment and blending artefacts. We can see the smallest 5 up has a scrap of oof image tacked onto the right side of the "5" loop, and the rectangle holding the smallest 5 up has a "tab" attached to its top right edge. Similar artefacts can be seen elsewhere, such as on the top of the medium "0" loop, the rectangle edges between the medium 6 up and 4 up digits, and so on.

Oly merge "differential = 4"

PS blend diff=4

The results of shooting a stack at differential = 4 show us that the depth of focus has improved for the Oly in-camera merge to around 8 up and 8 down, but the PS blend gives us from around 22 up to 6 down. The Oly merge has failed somewhat in extracting the in-focus parts of the scene that the PS blend has successfully captured. Interestingly, the Oly merge shows something of an oof band running through 11 to 16 up, then a more in focus band from maybe 17 to 22 up -- which is where PS got to, but without the oof band...

Oly merge differential = 6

PS blend diff=6

The results of differential = 6 are along similar lines, the Oly merge pretty much failing to do its job, while the PS blend is far more successful, although we can now see oof banding along the target, at around 8 and 9 up, 14 and 15 up, and 21 up, and 7 down. I shot differentials of 8 and 10, but they added nothing to the story that we can see for differential = 6. I ran a similar series of tests with the Oly 40-150 shooting at 150 mm and f2.8, with very similar results.

Oly focus stacking with 40-150 Pro at 150/2.8

There, I used Photoshop's "Auto" for alignment, and unchecked "seamless tones" for the merge. I think the PS results this time around were better with "Collage" for alignment and "seamless tones" in the blend.

A clear result was that the Oly focusing algorithm distributes its 8 frames to improve focus in the front third and the rear two thirds of the scene relative to the nominal focus point.

What would I take away? (1) Provided the stack steps ("differentials") give good in-focus overlap to the series of frames, both Oly and PS give pleasing merges. The difference is in their artefacts. (2) Oly gives superior stack alignment so there are few and not so "funny" oof bits where you would not expect to see them. On the other hand, Oly ghosting on high contrast edges is dreadful. Photoshop is the opposite, terrific ghosting control, but oof "funny" bits peppered all over the place. (3) As the stack steps increase and so good overlap reduces or disappears, the Oly merge fails to give a satisfactory result, while the PS blend does the best it can, pretty successfully given what it is working with, with modest oof banding across the image where the lack of overlap was worst.

An issue remains -- what is meant by "focus differential" in Oly-speak? For my use, I've decided that I can set a focus differential to the f-stop I want to use. If I'm shooting at f1.4, differential = 1. For f2 or f2.4, differential = 2. For f2.8, differential = 3. For f4, differential = 4. You get it, up to f8 and differential = 8. I seem to get the focus overlap that the Oly in-camera merge algorithms need, and don't have to do the Photoshop thing.

For my artistic work, the Oly ghosting adds to the artistry! For my engineering work, though, it has to be a PS merge. It may be worth adding that, in PS, the mask set for each frame just before the blend can be adjusted in its layer. If you are willing to put in such detail work, you can eliminate all the PS "funny" oof bits and get a near-perfect ghost-free blend.

Unsharp Mask of earlier 100% Oly crop of in-camera merge with diff=2, amount 100% radius 10 threshold 0

If we don't want a layer by layer manual mask inspection and adjustment but do want to try and fix the Oly ghosting, we could try the unsharp mask in PS. The above image shows the result of a fairly gross amount 100% of a radius 10 pixel level 0 threshold Unsharp Mask on the earlier Oly merge. Ghosting almost eliminated at the cost of unrealistically crisp and contrasty edges.

Exactly why I started using Helicon focus, PS required too much manual fixing of small blurred areas. HF is much better but not perfect if the distance from front to back is too great (then I have to manually remove  the ghosting).

You do know that the EM1 auto-stacking will actually take the first image in front of your selected focus distance. I sometimes think it takes 2 images before getting to my starting focus point.

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third son wrote:

I am going to get a couple of extension tubes and try my hand at focus stacking in the EM1.

Now *that* would be very interesting.  What lens are you planning to use?  The Oly internal formula for the size of the differential uses the lens' report of the focus distance, and that would be quite "wrong" when tubes come into play.

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lester11 wrote:

third son wrote:

I am going to get a couple of extension tubes and try my hand at focus stacking in the EM1.

Now *that* would be very interesting. What lens are you planning to use? The Oly internal formula for the size of the differential uses the lens' report of the focus distance, and that would be quite "wrong" when tubes come into play.

Not sure what lenses to use yet.  I have several primes and the beloved 12-40mm.  Heck even the Panasonic 35-100 2.8 might be fun to try.

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third son wrote: ... the beloved 12-40mm. Heck even the Panasonic 35-100 2.8 might be fun to try.

Olympus tell us

(Note *12 in http://www.olympus-global.com/en/news/2016b/nr161102em1mk2e.jsp)

"Lenses compatible with Focus Stacking mode: M.Zuiko Digital ED 7-14mm f/2.8 PRO, M.Zuiko Digital ED 8mm f/1.8 Fisheye PRO, M.Zuiko Digital ED 12-40mm f/2.8 PRO, M.Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO, M.Zuiko Digital ED 300mm f/4.0 IS PRO, M.Zuiko Digital ED 30mm f/3.5 Macro, and M.Zuiko Digital ED 60mm f/2.8 Macro"

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lester11 wrote:

third son wrote: ... the beloved 12-40mm. Heck even the Panasonic 35-100 2.8 might be fun to try.

Olympus tell us

(Note *12 in http://www.olympus-global.com/en/news/2016b/nr161102em1mk2e.jsp)

"Lenses compatible with Focus Stacking mode: M.Zuiko Digital ED 7-14mm f/2.8 PRO, M.Zuiko Digital ED 8mm f/1.8 Fisheye PRO, M.Zuiko Digital ED 12-40mm f/2.8 PRO, M.Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO, M.Zuiko Digital ED 300mm f/4.0 IS PRO, M.Zuiko Digital ED 30mm f/3.5 Macro, and M.Zuiko Digital ED 60mm f/2.8 Macro"

Yes...that is why it would be interesting to see if the 12-40mm will still work with a kenko adapter (I should be getting a pair soon).  The others I will use the EM1 generated files and stack in photoshop.

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Almagest Contributing Member • Posts: 561
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Hi Lester,

I've been playing around with the bracket focus feature of the Panasonic G85 trying to understand ins and outs of this feature. It's been somewhat frustrating that the user manual doesn't provide any "how to" instructions.

I ran across this thread of yours by accident and noticed that the Oly and Pany share a similar attribute with regard to bracket focusing. What I found similar between the two was the setup to bracket focusing was the same. First you pick the number of steps (1-10) and then the number of images (up to 999) that you want.

My question is; what is the relationship between the step number chosen and the number of images selected?

Scenario 1: If I wanted to shoot a mountain valley shot with foliage in the foreground and the mountain peaks in the background and have everything in between be in focus, how would you set your camera, 1 step with 50 images, 3 step with 25 images or what?

Scenario 2: A frog on a lily pad in a pond, you want the frog and the lily pad to be in focus but the foreground and background lilies to be out of focus. is there a relationship between the distance to the frog, the step number and number of images that you choose?

You would think that when a companies Olympus and Panasonic come out with new camera features that most people have not used before that they would give detailed information on HOW IT WORKS. But sadly the manuals sorely lacking...

Thanks...

Warren

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Almagest wrote:

what is the relationship between the step number chosen and the number of images selected? [...] 1 step with 50 images, 3 step with 25 images or what?

Hi Warren

I can only help with the steps that Oly implements for focus stacking in the E-M1, sorry! I guess similar principles apply for Panny and for focus bracketing, but I don't have the numbers for those.

The following graph summarises what I think I have found out about step size, "differential" in Oly-speak", in Oly focus stacking.  Although it mainly applies to the Oly 60 Macro lens, my experiments with the 12-40 PRO and 40-150 PRO make me think the results are the same for those lenses as well.

Proportion of DoF in a unit "differential" step according to subject distance

The key point of this graph is to show that, as you get closer to the subject, the step size as a proportion of DoF decreases as well.  With the subject at 200 mm, for example, the step size for a unit "differential" is around 10% of whatever the DoF is, but when the subject is at 1500 mm the step size is around 50% of DoF.

I've calculated some estimates for the “standardized step ratio” (ssr) – the step size of a unit of differential relative to the DoF at that subject distance. (Subject distance measured to sensor, not to front lens element.)  The estimated ssr uses a logarithmic curve, ssr’ = 0.2 * ln (subject distance) – 0.95, as tabulated below.

Table of estimated ssr using a logarithmic curve, ssr’ = 0.2 * ln (subject distance) – 0.95

For example, imagine the subject is 700 mm distant. For example, the lens, at the selected aperture and at that subject distance, has a depth of field of about 12 mm (as suggested by HyperfocalPro for the Oly 60 at f2.8). The estimated ssr’ is 36% (0.2ln(700)-0.95). So a “differential” of 1 would give a step size being 36% of 12 mm, that is about 4.3 mm; a differential of 2 would give a step size of 8.6 mm, and so on. For an 8-shot Oly focus stack, the resulting overall depth of field with differential of 2 would thus be around 70 mm.

For example, the subject is 250 mm distant. The lens, at the selected aperture and at that subject distance, has a depth of field of around 2 mm (for the Oly 60 at f4). The estimated ssr’ is 15% (0.2ln(250)-0.95). So a “differential” of 1 would give a step size being 15% of 2 mm, that is approximately 0.3 mm; a differential of 6 would give a step size of 1.8 mm, and so on. For an 8-shot Oly focus stack, the resulting overall depth of field with differential of 6 would therefore be around 14.4 mm.

I hope that helps!

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Almagest Contributing Member • Posts: 561
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Thanks Lester,

After looking at other websites with regard to Olympus focus bracketing along with your extensive research confirms (in my mind) that both Olympus and Panasonic use very similar algorithms for focus bracketing.

At least now, I have a better foundation to base my experiments on.

Tanks again...

Warren

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I thought it might be more helpful to show the results as a table....

You would start with the desired total depth of focus needed in the stack of 8 shots. Let's imagine you feel you need 12 mm (roughly 1/2") full stack DoF, and the subject is around 200 mm away (approximately 8") from the sensor. A single shot will have a DoF around 0.9 mm at f/4. The table estimates a "differential" of 10 at f/5.6 will give a stack DoF of around 11.4 mm, while a differential of 8 at f/8 will give a stack DoF around 13.1 mm. Both of these are in the red zone, meaning the stack might have oof bands because the focus overlap between the 8 shots was too small.

You might decide to move the camera to give a subject distance of 250 mm (around 10") and run with a differential of 5 at f/5.6 or 4 at f/8.

Approximate in-camera Oly focus full stack DoF with 60/2.8 macro.

As they say, your mileage may vary, perhaps because your "circle of confusion" isn't the 0.0144 mm assumed in the calculations. Take some snaps of an angled ruler to see the results with your equipment and technique.

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Lester, thank you. Terrific investigation, explanation and presentation.

Almagest wrote:

Thanks Lester,

After looking at other websites with regard to Olympus focus bracketing along with your extensive research confirms (in my mind) that both Olympus and Panasonic use very similar algorithms for focus bracketing.

At least now, I have a better foundation to base my experiments on.

Tanks again...

Warren

Warren, since you are using a G80, have you tried using post-focus to capture images for stacking? I know you only get 4K resolution but if you haven't tried it you might want to give it ago. You might want to see these two threads where I went into this with the FZ330. The success I had with botanical subjects in particular (hand-held btw, and just look and shoot, no calculations needed) is why I am on this forum now, suddenly finding myself very interested in the G80 (because that would give me better base images, captured both at 4K with post-focus as well as full resolution with focus bracketing, which I think may turn out to be better for invertebrates -  can't tell without trying it).

Seven stacked botanical close-ups

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