RX1r, Shadows with House

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elliottnewcomb Forum Pro • Posts: 16,650
RX1r, Shadows with House
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Late evening sun/shadows on a favorite house.

Why + 0.7 ev you might ask? I needed that for a backlit shot of Ava earlier, and forgot that was how it was set. I need better discipline. I had to cut the heck out of the highlights, then boost the shadows a speck.

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Actually,

That +.7 gave you better details in the shadows. The white paint clipping isn't that bad. Nice photos! BTW, I've also forgotten a number of times to return settings to normal shooting parameters. For a few days I was disgusted enough with myself to shoot in Green Auto. With its automatic scene and subject recognition, and Auto DR it has sometimes brought surprising results.

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Re: Actually,

Lightpath48 wrote:

That +.7 gave you better details in the shadows. The white paint clipping isn't that bad. Nice photos! BTW, I've also forgotten a number of times to return settings to normal shooting parameters. For a few days I was disgusted enough with myself to shoot in Green Auto. With its automatic scene and subject recognition, and Auto DR it has sometimes brought surprising results.

When I visited Gunnison Nat Park I shot the whole time in MFNR mode...was kinda hard to salvage the shots.....

see the shots

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elliottnewcomb wrote:

Late evening sun/shadows on a favorite house.

It may  be your favorite home "to look at" but living in it must be a Full-Time Cleaning job???

Why + 0.7 ev you might ask? I needed that for a backlit shot of Ava earlier, and forgot that was how it was set. I need better discipline. I had to cut the heck out of the highlights, then boost the shadows a speck.

Elliott

While the shadow photos are nicely exposed I think you need to think about your compositions a little more, Elliott.

For instance I would have made the 2 trees equally balanced on the house in the 2nd pic.

Tried to shoot from furthur on the left in the 1st pic.

And the tree in the 3rd pic is just distracting

A little criticism is a learning experience

Now Go back and do them over.....

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Re: Actually,

Bill Borne wrote:

Lightpath48 wrote:

That +.7 gave you better details in the shadows. The white paint clipping isn't that bad. Nice photos! BTW, I've also forgotten a number of times to return settings to normal shooting parameters. For a few days I was disgusted enough with myself to shoot in Green Auto. With its automatic scene and subject recognition, and Auto DR it has sometimes brought surprising results.

When I visited Gunnison Nat Park I shot the whole time in MFNR mode...was kinda hard to salvage the shots.....

see the shots

Sorry, but what's MFNR mode?  Do you mean manufacturer's mode, or manual focus, noise reduction mode, or what?  Thanks

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Re: Actually,

Lightpath48 wrote:

Bill Borne wrote:

Lightpath48 wrote:

That +.7 gave you better details in the shadows. The white paint clipping isn't that bad. Nice photos! BTW, I've also forgotten a number of times to return settings to normal shooting parameters. For a few days I was disgusted enough with myself to shoot in Green Auto. With its automatic scene and subject recognition, and Auto DR it has sometimes brought surprising results.

When I visited Gunnison Nat Park I shot the whole time in MFNR mode...was kinda hard to salvage the shots.....

see the shots

Sorry, but what's MFNR mode? Do you mean manufacturer's mode, or manual focus, noise reduction mode, or what? Thanks

Auto ISO Multi Frame Noise Reduction which I like to use Indoors without flash

read about it here

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Re: RX1r, Shadows with House

Bill Borne wrote:

elliottnewcomb wrote:

Late evening sun/shadows on a favorite house.

It may be your favorite home "to look at" but living in it must be a Full-Time Cleaning job???

A favorite, because of it's location up high to catch the late afternoon, evening light. Many favorites, and when more mobile, more favorites in other parts of town. We have (I seem to remember) 6 separate Historic Districts in Plainfield.

Forget cleaning, how about maintaining these? This one was put in shape for sale not long ago.

Why + 0.7 ev you might ask? I needed that for a backlit shot of Ava earlier, and forgot that was how it was set. I need better discipline. I had to cut the heck out of the highlights, then boost the shadows a speck.

Elliott

While the shadow photos are nicely exposed I think you need to think about your compositions a little more, Elliott.

For instance I would have made the 2 trees equally balanced on the house in the 2nd pic.

Tried to shoot from furthur on the left in the 1st pic.

And the tree in the 3rd pic is just distracting

A little criticism is a learning experience

Now Go back and do them over.....

You bring the chain saw to remove the telephone poles, and a steam-shovel and dump truck to move the giant piles of broken branches along the curb waiting for pickup. Notice, we had a wind storm the night before, new broken branches on the lawn. The property is huge, big carriage house in the back. Luckily, no cars near the house in the driveway. The left porch is a bit sloppy.

The first shot, at original size, view the detail and sharpness of the tree on the right, love it.

I was thinking how different m3 24mm would have been, I will go back.

didn't bother with this, I might have walked up the driveway to get the Carriage House, but there are trees, then cars between me and it. A 2nd side driveway, on the side street, goes to the front of the Carriage House, but cars, so... And, it was not a photo outing, Donna was waiting in the car.

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Well, those look pretty good

Bill Borne wrote:

Lightpath48 wrote:

Bill Borne wrote:

Lightpath48 wrote:

That +.7 gave you better details in the shadows. The white paint clipping isn't that bad. Nice photos! BTW, I've also forgotten a number of times to return settings to normal shooting parameters. For a few days I was disgusted enough with myself to shoot in Green Auto. With its automatic scene and subject recognition, and Auto DR it has sometimes brought surprising results.

When I visited Gunnison Nat Park I shot the whole time in MFNR mode...was kinda hard to salvage the shots.....

see the shots

Sorry, but what's MFNR mode? Do you mean manufacturer's mode, or manual focus, noise reduction mode, or what? Thanks

Auto ISO Multi Frame Noise Reduction which I like to use Indoors without flash

read about it here

You have a nice technical set there.  What was it that was difficult to repair?  Clipped highlights would be one guess.

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thanks,

the sun was making part of the house bleach white, my beloved long shadows very strong, and I forgot I was shooting +.7.

So I had to cut the highlights quite a bit, then raise the areas in the shadows a bit.

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Re: RX1r, Shadows with House

I saw "Shadows" and "House" in the title and said, "Ah, that must be Elliott.."

Upping shadows and dropping highlights is solid HDR technique, but whatever program you're using to do it is seriously not equipped; some heinous halos in there..

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SoCalWill wrote:

I saw "Shadows" and "House" in the title and said, "Ah, that must be Elliott.."

Upping shadows and dropping highlights is solid HDR technique, but whatever program you're using to do it is seriously not equipped; some heinous halos in there..

Well, Donna was waiting, I just drove by to see, I knew the light would be nice. This would have been a darn good one to see RX1r in-camera HDR for the first time. Next nice evening, IF....

I could have used PE 12, the darn Windows 10 viewer and PP is SOOOO damn easy, I use it daily for Donna's ebay photos. I forgot how they differed from my gravestone photo.

You guys would shoot this RAW and make the most of it, I am still seeing what I can do Jpeg OOC, and learning 35mm. I've never done more than cut highlights, lift shadows for anything I shoot.

Don't rush me, my 'Good Enough' is up a step with this lens/sensor, and increased SDOF capability.

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SoCalWill wrote:

I saw "Shadows" and "House" in the title and said, "Ah, that must be Elliott.."

Upping shadows and dropping highlights is solid HDR technique, but whatever program you're using to do it is seriously not equipped; some heinous halos in there..

where do yo see the halos? I don't see any?

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Bill Borne wrote:

where do yo see the halos? I don't see any?

The trees are experiencing some sort of outgassing..

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Re: Actually,

Bill Borne wrote:

Lightpath48 wrote:

That +.7 gave you better details in the shadows. The white paint clipping isn't that bad. Nice photos! BTW, I've also forgotten a number of times to return settings to normal shooting parameters. For a few days I was disgusted enough with myself to shoot in Green Auto. With its automatic scene and subject recognition, and Auto DR it has sometimes brought surprising results.

When I visited Gunnison Nat Park I shot the whole time in MFNR mode...was kinda hard to salvage the shots.....

see the shots

Oh Bill, who cares! What a great place Gunnison is. We went through there with our kids back in 1991. In those film days, you had to wait until your whole holiday was over before you realised simple oversights like that.

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Re: RX1r, Shadows with House

SoCalWill wrote:

Bill Borne wrote:

where do yo see the halos? I don't see any?

The trees are experiencing some sort of outgassing..

Or moving in a breeze?

OOC Jpeg original

And Quickie Photoshop Elements 12 similar crop, high/shadow adjustments

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No atmospheric phenomena in Lightroom:

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I like learning, but this is getting tedious for some I am sure.

I don't see much in the trees, I easily see differences in the cornice crop, some is the software, some is the amount of adjustments

OOC, cornice cropped in PE12

Wills LR adjusted image cornice cropped in pe12

My pe12 adjusted image, cropped in pe12

my win10 viewer adjusted image, cropped in win10

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I like the exposure adjustments of my orig win10 pp image

better than pe12 quickie

and definitely better than wills lr adjustments (cropped like the others)

If the lr was adjusted more to my liking, would more pp articacts appear?

The win10 viewer software is not best. It had highlights cut much more than the others. Because it is so easy, I think I made better decisions about how to adjust visually. pe12 was a quickie, if I spent more time with pe12 pp, it would be the one to use.

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elliottnewcomb wrote:

I don't see much in the trees

Look at the sky behind the trees; in some of your edits, it is significantly lighter than elsewhere in the picture, as though the trees are glowing. The sky is uniform in my edit.

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Re: RX1r, Shadows with House

SoCalWill wrote:

elliottnewcomb wrote:

I don't see much in the trees

Look at the sky behind the trees; in some of your edits, it is significantly lighter than elsewhere in the picture, as though the trees are glowing. The sky is uniform in my edit.

I see what SoCalWill is seeing, I'm not sure how just lowering highlights and lifting shadows would do this, it seems to be something beyond altering the base curve going on with the edit.   I'd guess maybe a local contrast edit involved too?

BTW I don't mind all the back and forth commentary.   I learn a lot from threads like these.

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I'm not sure how just lowering highlights and lifting shadows would do this

Some software does it worse than others, LR does it the least of anything I've seen.

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