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HELP! Why strange pixels in my Hi-Res Oly images?

Started Mar 14, 2016 | Discussions
Betarover Senior Member • Posts: 1,049
HELP! Why strange pixels in my Hi-Res Oly images?

I am using an Oly OM-D E5 Mark 2 and sometimes my hi-res images show very annoying pixel patterns on vertical lines.  See the comparison below. These are JPG (not RAW) images.

This image below is zoomed in to show the problem.  The left image is not hi-res, the right one is hi-res.  Clearly the hi-res shot is unacceptable, and not as good as the normal res.  I have some really great hi-res shots, but on occasion I get the mess shown below.  This image was taken on a sturdy tripod with a 2 second delay.  Has anyone else experience this?  Could the problem be due to using a high FL and atmospheric motion?   Or is it a flaw or defect in the camera, or maybe in the JPG processing combining the multiple images?  The lens for the image below was a Panasonic 40-150mm, but I have also seen this problem in images with my Panasonic 14-45mm lens at 43mm.

Regular resolution on the left, high resolution on the right

Panasonic Lumix G 14mm F2.5 II ASPH
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Metaphorce42 Regular Member • Posts: 496
Re: HELP! Why strange pixels in my Hi-Res Oly images?

Have you tried shooting RAW to see if they're on the raw files, too.  Then you'll know if it's a Jpging problem.

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OP Betarover Senior Member • Posts: 1,049
No

No.  The problem does not always happen, so if I tried RAW and they looked OK I could not say for certain that JPG was the cause.  My big fear is that the mechanism that drives the sensor those tiny distances between exposures may be at fault.  I have never dropped or even bumped the camera.  It is always in a well padded case between shots, and it has the latest firmware.  The one year warranty is up in two months.

In my posting I was wrong when I said the problem is with vertical lines.  It is also with the horizontal lines.  Hopefully someone will have some ideas.

Big Ga Forum Pro • Posts: 18,627
Re: No
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Betarover wrote:

No. The problem does not always happen, so if I tried RAW and they looked OK I could not say for certain that JPG was the cause. My big fear is that the mechanism that drives the sensor those tiny distances between exposures may be at fault. I have never dropped or even bumped the camera. It is always in a well padded case between shots, and it has the latest firmware. The one year warranty is up in two months.

In my posting I was wrong when I said the problem is with vertical lines. It is also with the horizontal lines. Hopefully someone will have some ideas.

Its normal.

That's what happens when you have the slightest movement when shooting in the sensor shift HR mode.

Robiro Veteran Member • Posts: 6,813
Two possible reasons
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Two possible reasons:

1 - The camera moved a little while taking the high-res shots. Shaky tripod? Wind?

2 - Heat haze. (Irrecoverable.)

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Jon555 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,722
Re: HELP! Why strange pixels in my Hi-Res Oly images?

They do look like the patterns you get when there is any movement between shots, I did like the heat-haze suggestion above.

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(unknown member) Contributing Member • Posts: 611
Re: Two possible reasons
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It is the heat.

Very very common problem with every telephoto lens at further distances than few meters in sunny days.

Of course it can be as well that camera was on tripod and close by moving cars caused shaking, or even user moving weight on his feet while doing so but less likely.

OP Betarover Senior Member • Posts: 1,049
Some good ideas

If it ever stops raining here I will do some more testing.  These shots were taken when it was between only 45 and 50 degrees F.  If this problem is caused by atmospheric movement between exposures, or by even the slightest ground movement, it means that when photographing an important landscape having distant objects, one cannot trust the hi-res shots so should always back them up with normal res shots in case the hi-res shots are a failure.

I need to check and see if that is a menu choice.

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Re: Two possible reasons

Robiro wrote:

Two possible reasons:

1 - The camera moved a little while taking the high-res shots. Shaky tripod? Wind?

2 - Heat haze. (Irrecoverable.)

Those are the reasons why I still believe a superresolution technique like is explained here  is a better option that Olympus high res mode. The only advantage being that Olympus approach produces a RAW, but in actual shooting conditions, doing it yourself seems like a better option.

I do love to have it, though, and I'm expecting the new E-M1 Mark II gives us the next best iteration of high res mode, hopefully being able to shoot handhold, but if not, you can still do it yourself with any camera, and get all the benefits from it.

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Jon555 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,722
Re: Two possible reasons

Martin Ocando wrote:

Robiro wrote:

Two possible reasons:

1 - The camera moved a little while taking the high-res shots. Shaky tripod? Wind?

2 - Heat haze. (Irrecoverable.)

Those are the reasons why I still believe a superresolution technique like is explained here is a better option that Olympus high res mode. The only advantage being that Olympus approach produces a RAW, but in actual shooting conditions, doing it yourself seems like a better option.

I do love to have it, though, and I'm expecting the new E-M1 Mark II gives us the next best iteration of high res mode, hopefully being able to shoot handhold, but if not, you can still do it yourself with any camera, and get all the benefits from it.

Nice link, thanks. I've played with Photo Acute, but it's never been as good as I would have hoped. (I even dusted down the old GH3 as it's on the list of supported cameras, unlike my GH4.)

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Re: Two possible reasons

Big challenge to get the sensor readout to be anywhere near handheld levels from current 1 second period. The current readout speed would give at best now 1/8 second or something similar.

Digital Dick Senior Member • Posts: 2,379
Re: Some good ideas

It looks like camera movement to me.

A couple of points:

1. You don't need the 2 sec delay (only need it if using a non-Olympus Flash).

2. If you shoot the High Res in SLF+raw instead of just the SLF jpeg you will get three final images. A high res jpeg, an even higher res raw and a file with an .ORI extension that is actually the first of the eight raw images the camera takes in High Res mode. This third image is a regular (low res) raw image that won't show any of the artifacting you may get from something moving in your high res composite image. You can use this third image as a layer in Photoshop paint out any artifacts in the high res image.

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Martin Ocando
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Re: Two possible reasons

Rusk wrote:

Big challenge to get the sensor readout to be anywhere near handheld levels from current 1 second period. The current readout speed would give at best now 1/8 second or something similar.

It is, but according to their engineers, interviewed after CP+, that's what they are aiming for.

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Ulric Veteran Member • Posts: 4,559
Re: Two possible reasons

Martin Ocando wrote:

Robiro wrote:

Two possible reasons:

1 - The camera moved a little while taking the high-res shots. Shaky tripod? Wind?

2 - Heat haze. (Irrecoverable.)

Those are the reasons why I still believe a superresolution technique like is explained here is a better option that Olympus high res mode. The only advantage being that Olympus approach produces a RAW, but in actual shooting conditions, doing it yourself seems like a better option.

I agree, and I believe that such techniques will become available in-camera as soon as processing power catches up. I.e. it's inevitable.

I further believe that continuous 8K capture and automatic "stacking" of frames, or parts of frames where there is no movement, will become standard features. It is also just a matter of electronics becoming good enough.

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Jon555 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,722
Re: Two possible reasons

Ulric wrote:

Martin Ocando wrote:

Robiro wrote:

Two possible reasons:

1 - The camera moved a little while taking the high-res shots. Shaky tripod? Wind?

2 - Heat haze. (Irrecoverable.)

Those are the reasons why I still believe a superresolution technique like is explained here is a better option that Olympus high res mode. The only advantage being that Olympus approach produces a RAW, but in actual shooting conditions, doing it yourself seems like a better option.

I agree, and I believe that such techniques will become available in-camera as soon as processing power catches up. I.e. it's inevitable.

I further believe that continuous 8K capture and automatic "stacking" of frames, or parts of frames where there is no movement, will become standard features. It is also just a matter of electronics becoming good enough.

You're still limited by physics though, you can play with it a bit, but not ignore it.

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Ulric Veteran Member • Posts: 4,559
Re: Two possible reasons

Dr_Jon wrote:

Ulric wrote:

Martin Ocando wrote:

Robiro wrote:

Two possible reasons:

1 - The camera moved a little while taking the high-res shots. Shaky tripod? Wind?

2 - Heat haze. (Irrecoverable.)

Those are the reasons why I still believe a superresolution technique like is explained here is a better option that Olympus high res mode. The only advantage being that Olympus approach produces a RAW, but in actual shooting conditions, doing it yourself seems like a better option.

I agree, and I believe that such techniques will become available in-camera as soon as processing power catches up. I.e. it's inevitable.

I further believe that continuous 8K capture and automatic "stacking" of frames, or parts of frames where there is no movement, will become standard features. It is also just a matter of electronics becoming good enough.

You're still limited by physics though, you can play with it a bit, but not ignore it.

None of what I predict is at odds with physics.

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Re: HELP! Why strange pixels in my Hi-Res Oly images?

Could it be IBIS confusion from the blur?

Either that, or aliens...

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OP Betarover Senior Member • Posts: 1,049
No, because

The book I have says the IBIS is automatically disabled when in the high res mode.

OP Betarover Senior Member • Posts: 1,049
Tried again

Today the rain stopped and I took more tests with high res.  Hurray, they all are fine.  So I am sure my camera has not developed a flaw and that the postings about atmospheric motion (heat haze) perhaps being the cause must be correct.

As for the comment to change the setting to take a RAW plus a JPEG automatically, I looked into the matter and found that setting the camera to do that applies the setting to non-high resolution shots as well.  I do not want that.  I want a setting that will take a high res JPEG plus a regular res shot when in high res, but not in regular res.  That option is not available but this is not a big inconvenience for me.

Thanks for the inputs.

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