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Sigma 30mm f/1.4 for M43!

Started Feb 19, 2016 | Discussions
OrdinarilyInordinate
OrdinarilyInordinate Veteran Member • Posts: 3,741
Re: Not that strange
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I don't get this thing with lenses that must be exactly 50mm effective FoV, etc. People get so obsessed about small differences in field of view between different primes. If that were the case, we'd never have zooms and we'd never have lenses that are not 17mm or 25mm on m43. Maybe a telephoto option and one wide prime.  And better ban those pesky fish eye lenses, they are an abomination in the eyes of a proper self-respecting rectilinear photographer. So say you have a zoom (12-40mm f/2.8), would it mean you should always only photograph at 12mm, 17mm, or 25mm? Don't go to 30mm! It's danger zone! By the way, different lenses of the same focal length designation (or effective focal length) might still have noticeably different field of view because of software correction or other factors. Can be a few mm difference between nominal focal length and effective focal length based on the final field of view.

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Austrailshooter
Austrailshooter Forum Member • Posts: 55
Re: Are you talking about banding?

peppermonkey wrote:

Austrailshooter wrote:

Well I'm looking for a fast standard prime that doesn't have the issues of my Panasonic 20mm F/1.7 on an olympus body, if they bring out a 19mm F/1.4 I'd be sorely tempted given how attractively these lenses are normally priced.

Can't think of any other Olympus related problems with the 20mm.

BTW, has that been fixed for newer Oly's?

No, apart from high ISO banding, slow focus speeds are still issues on Olympus bodies. It's a good lens, it just tests your patience sometimes.

Austrailshooter
Austrailshooter Forum Member • Posts: 55
Re: Not that strange

OrdinarilyInordinate wrote:

I don't get this thing with lenses that must be exactly 50mm effective FoV, etc. People get so obsessed about small differences in field of view between different primes. If that were the case, we'd never have zooms and we'd never have lenses that are not 17mm or 25mm on m43. Maybe a telephoto option and one wide prime. And better ban those pesky fish eye lenses, they are an abomination in the eyes of a proper self-respecting rectilinear photographer. So say you have a zoom (12-40mm f/2.8), would it mean you should always only photograph at 12mm, 17mm, or 25mm? Don't go to 30mm! It's danger zone! By the way, different lenses of the same focal length designation (or effective focal length) might still have noticeably different field of view because of software correction or other factors. Can be a few mm difference between nominal focal length and effective focal length based on the final field of view.

The problem isnt that the problem is 60mm is quite a narrow field of view. If it were my only lens and I was using it for normal shooting I'd feel claustrophobic.

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OrdinarilyInordinate
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Re: Not that strange
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Well, you don't have to be limited to just that lens though, do you?  I mean people photograph with a 75mm f/1.8 lens too, and it's far narrower field of view.  The very popular 45mm f/1.8 lens...  Well, you see the trend.

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Re: Not that strange

Austrailshooter wrote:

The problem isnt that the problem is 60mm is quite a narrow field of view. If it were my only lens and I was using it for normal shooting I'd feel claustrophobic.

Who exactly, is forcing you to use just this one lens?

Austrailshooter
Austrailshooter Forum Member • Posts: 55
Re: Not that strange

People are talking about this as if its a normal lens, I was just saying if this were my normal lens I'd feel very claustrophobic. It might just be my bias to pick up a normal lens where I just want to walk out the door with a lens that fits somewhere between 35 and 50 and feels comfortable to me. 60mm might be comfortable for some people I'd feel very claustrophobic.

We've all had that experience where we feel we're in a wrestling match with our camera lens, that's what it feels like to me at 60mm, like I can't back up far enough to get everything I want in the frame, it feels like "hey, back up a little here, I can't breath." I tend to see the world a little wider though so it might just be me.

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Najinsky Veteran Member • Posts: 5,739
Re: It's for APS-C, isn't it?

Astrotripper wrote:

73x64mm and 265g. Pretty sure it's for APS-C. So on MFT, it should be very sharp corner to corner, with minimal to non-existent vignetting. Only slightly larger and heavier than PanaLeica 25/1.4. Not a bad proposition, if someone doesn't already have one of them standard primes.

Interestingly, it's a Contemporary, not Art. That would be a first prime in Sigma's contemporary line, right? Does that mark a start of a new line of lenses?

Yes, being offered in E mount too suggests it's an APS-C design, which has pros and cons. As you say, it will be using the sweetest part of the glass so optical performance should be excellent. But it also means it's a little bigger, heavier and uses more power than is strictly needed for m43.

I'm confused about the 'Contemporary' classification too.

When the new classifications were first announced, they were described as:

"The lens categories are Contemporary, Art and Sports,

  • with the basic emphasis being compact and multifunctional for the Contemporary line;
  • large-aperture, quality prime lenses for the Art line;
  • and high-performance, durable telephoto and zoom lenses for the Sports line."

So the reading here could be that they are designating it being compact over being a large aperture quality prime. I hope that doesn't have implications for the quality and performance.

From the headline specs, it should be a very nice lens, and is priced as such, so i'm feeling positive that the quality will be there.

-Andy

Louis_Dobson
Louis_Dobson Forum Pro • Posts: 27,582
Re: Are you talking about banding?

Slow focusing is an issue on any body because the whole group moves - it was designed when CDAF was considered inherently slow.  I use it on my GM5 and it is glacial, a real pain, and costs loads of shots.  It is however fast, sharp and small.  I wish they would both have another go and make it in some other lengths.

Austrailshooter wrote:

peppermonkey wrote:

Austrailshooter wrote:

Well I'm looking for a fast standard prime that doesn't have the issues of my Panasonic 20mm F/1.7 on an olympus body, if they bring out a 19mm F/1.4 I'd be sorely tempted given how attractively these lenses are normally priced.

Can't think of any other Olympus related problems with the 20mm.

BTW, has that been fixed for newer Oly's?

No, apart from high ISO banding, slow focus speeds are still issues on Olympus bodies. It's a good lens, it just tests your patience sometimes.

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(unknown member) Senior Member • Posts: 1,015
Re: Not that strange

Righto. I couldn't use a 25 mm as a "normal" lens either though. If I had to choose just 1, it would be either my 14 or 20 mm. Perhaps just a psychological thing, I don't really know. But anyway, I bought an interchangeable lens camera, so I don't see any issues with putting that interchangeable part of it to good use

Austrailshooter
Austrailshooter Forum Member • Posts: 55
Re: Not that strange
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No, but sometimes its refreshing just to walk out the door with the 20 1/.7 attached to your camera and to not have to think about things or worry about what lens you should be using for which shot. Given I already own the 12, 20 and 45, a 60mm F/1.4 would be far enough apart to be doable as a lens choice but I really hope Sigma has another go at their 19mm lens again I'd like a 19mm F/1.4

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Jorginho Forum Pro • Posts: 15,370
APS-c lens, not for m43s!

Sure it has a m43 mount. But it is an APS-c lens. And it is APS-c in size and it is APS-c based when we look at the FL. It also lacks OIS I think.

I am never ever going to buy a lens that is not geared especially to a mFT mount and its strengths (size and weight). I want Sigma to make this lens as it should be: 22,5 mm F1.4. Lighter, smaller and preferably  with  OIS.

As it is I'd rather go for the 25 mm Leica which has OIS and is a very good lens. It is also not that more expensive.

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Austrailshooter
Austrailshooter Forum Member • Posts: 55
Re: APS-c lens, not for m43s!

I can't understand why you're bothered by the size of the lens, and its not like its a full frame lens, it's an APS-C lens that has been adapted. It won't be that big.

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Andersonm Contributing Member • Posts: 954
Re: Wish they picked a different focal length.
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Same.. on the MFT system with the Panasonic 25mm 1.4 already here and reasonably priced, this adds very little.

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Astrotripper Veteran Member • Posts: 8,676
PanaLeica also does not have OIS
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Jorginho wrote:

As it is I'd rather go for the 25 mm Leica which has OIS

Unfortunately, it does not. Panasonic 30mm macro is the only stabilised prime near this focal length.

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007peter
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Jorginho, be Grateful, at least we have a Lens that EOS-M would kill for
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Jorginho wrote: I am never ever going to buy a lens that is not geared especially to a mFT mount and its strengths (size and weight). I want Sigma to make this lens as it should be: 22,5 mm F1.4. Lighter, smaller and preferably with OIS.

M43 marker alone iis not big enough to justify making a dedicated lens,  particularly for a really small company like Sigma.

LLook at the bright side, a native Sigma 30mm F/1.4 (without a bulky adapter) I'd the lens I would kill for for my EOS-M.

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dmanthree
dmanthree Forum Pro • Posts: 10,309
Re: Not that strange

OrdinarilyInordinate wrote:

Well, you don't have to be limited to just that lens though, do you? I mean people photograph with a 75mm f/1.8 lens too, and it's far narrower field of view. The very popular 45mm f/1.8 lens... Well, you see the trend.

I think what he's saying is that it's too narrow for "normal" and doesn't really fit. Same for me. It's not for me, I guess.

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rxbot Senior Member • Posts: 1,844
Re: Not that strange

Since you also shoot 1.5 crop do you see any sense in 50-100 1.8 Art for APS-C, does not appeal to me. If you want 85 or 105 (eq) for porttrait why not just buy prime instead of $1000 zoom.

enossified Regular Member • Posts: 440
Re: Sigma 30mm f/1.4 for M43!
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I see they remembered that manual focusing works better when the focus ring isn't smooth

Now how about some more focal lengths, Sigma?

dmanthree
dmanthree Forum Pro • Posts: 10,309
Re: Sigma 30mm f/1.4 for M43!
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enossified wrote:

I see they remembered that manual focusing works better when the focus ring isn't smooth

Now how about some more focal lengths, Sigma?

I'm afraid if they do produce more lenses for m4/3, they'll just be cobbled APS-C focal lengths, not lenses designed specifically for m4/3. That's the bad news. The good news is that we already have a pretty nice selection of lenses for m4/3, so no problem.

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Astrotripper Veteran Member • Posts: 8,676
A great price for a lens like that
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Looks like the final price is lower than the rumoured one. At $340, this is quite an attractive option. A little bigger and heavier that some native MFT lenses, but that should also mean minimal vignetting and corner-to-corner sharpness.

Kudos to Sigma. Looking forward to more.

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