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Prediction: What will Samsung do?

Started Jan 2, 2016 | Polls
jonathanj
jonathanj Contributing Member • Posts: 999
Prediction: What will Samsung do?
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OK, with CES around the corner and CP+ coming soon, after all the rumours, what do you think that Samsung will do with the camera market? This is just for curiosity, so please don't start arguing

Also, this is *prediction* not *aspiration*. What do you think is the most likely course of action for samsung?

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Samsung will make a formal announcement and withdraw from the camera market.
4.1% 4  votes
Samsung will not make a formal announcement, but will just stop making new cameras and lenses.
49.5% 48  votes
Samsung will continue production of cameras and lenses, but at a reduced rate and/or in limited markets only
25.8% 25  votes
Samsung will continue producing cameras and lenses at the current rate.
3.1% 3  votes
Samsung will produce more / faster / better cameras and lenses - this includes releasing full frame models.
5.2% 5  votes
Samsung will do something drastically different in the camera market (e.g. acquire Nikon, add an interchangeable mount to all phones, etc.)
12.4% 12  votes
Other (please say)
0.0% 0  votes
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mg_k Veteran Member • Posts: 3,221
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vasile Contributing Member • Posts: 575
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I actually do not think Samsung is dumb enough to not realize what gem they have on their hands with the NX1.

But they do realize, I think, that it is a bit (ok, more than a bit) ahead of everyone else, and that their market strategy was not getting the results they wanted at the speed they wanted.

The rational decision would therefore be to put it to ice in the sense that it will be still sold in selected markets which have high potential, in the hope that it will eventually gain traction.

I recently saw a post where Samsung South Africa said they will continue to sell NX1 - this actually makes sense for a market where we have the safaris and presumably many people targeting wildlife/birds/etc.

However, for South Africa/wildlife, Samsung must have a long lens, and they also need it in order to show real commitment to the system.

This means that they would probably release soon (CES?) the much anticipated 300mm lens.

I guess we'll see soon enough...

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Kinger
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A previous rumor, one of the many, was that they would "park" the system for a year. I predict a small booth at CES showing off the NX1 and NX500. Maybe a new lens but doubt it. I think we will see nothing new with the only confirmation that they still have the system on life support.

Maybe an announcement that they will sell a Galaxy phone that uses NX mini lenses.

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MikeDPR Regular Member • Posts: 241
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vasile wrote:

I actually do not think Samsung is dumb enough to not realize what gem they have on their hands with the NX1.

Hmm...are you saying those professionals at Samsung may know just as much if not more than armchair CEOs in those forums? That's impossible!!!

On just a tad more serious note, I am going to stick with my previous prediction that Nikon will adopt NX as their mirrorless mount. While I have no clue if Samsung will announce any new camera/lens, I do predict they will keep their NX line alive in select markets like the US but generally take a back seat to allow Nikon to push the NX mount forward at least for a while. Nikon will be happy to oblige since they get a sweat deal on Samsung's sensors and image processors. Oh yes, I'm a glass-is-half-full guy!

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tecnoworld
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I'd just like to see a couple of new lenses. After all, they would sell decently well, now that many jumped on nx system (since when nx1 and nx500 are dirty cheap).

That would give confidence that nx is still kicking.

Oh, and a new fw for the nx1 would be overdue.

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maikl80 Junior Member • Posts: 41
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MikeDPR wrote:

vasile wrote:

I actually do not think Samsung is dumb enough to not realize what gem they have on their hands with the NX1.

Hmm...are you saying those professionals at Samsung may know just as much if not more than armchair CEOs in those forums? That's impossible!!!

On just a tad more serious note, I am going to stick with my previous prediction that Nikon will adopt NX as their mirrorless mount. While I have no clue if Samsung will announce any new camera/lens, I do predict they will keep their NX line alive in select markets like the US but generally take a back seat to allow Nikon to push the NX mount forward at least for a while. Nikon will be happy to oblige since they get a sweat deal on Samsung's sensors and image processors. Oh yes, I'm a glass-is-half-full guy!

I can also imagine that we will see Nikon mirrorless cameras with NX mount. One thing I find strange is that Samsung said that the development of the NX1 (and NX500) was very expensive. It seems that production of the NX1/NX500 has been stopped - this is a little bit strange. If development was very expensive but the product has already been released and seems to be selling well - why would you stop production. As long as the camera is technically up to date you could still sell it and try to get at least some money back. I think a technically so advanced camera such as the NX1 would have been very successfull if it would belong to another brand. So I guess a Nikon NX1/NX500 clone could be very successfull and Nikon has a gap regarding APS-C mirrorless cameras. In order to keep the size small they would need to introduce a new mount anyway. Taking over the NX mount has the advantage that there are already lenses available. If you compare the number of NX lenses with the number of native Canon EOS lenses you can see that it is not easy to come up with a large setup of mirrorless lenses even if you are a big player.

lol101 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,855
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At CES they will announce a bunch of gadgets non photography related.

They will also probably state that they are still developing sensors for cameras and phones but nothing more precise unless they have a closed deal with some camera maker and that this camera maker is willing to reveal its future line of cameras using Samsung sensors... very unlikely.

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(unknown member) Veteran Member • Posts: 6,192
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There is a possibility that the real CEO of Samsung has no more interest in cameras than he has on other hobbyist functions such as model railways so the armchairs CEO's probably know a lot more but not in any business sense. The CEO will see the world in profit streams and if cameras are not there I doubt if he will care as his Galaxy S6 does the job. My son demonstrated to me recently humorously the sensible way to take a picture by pointing his phone and pressing the button.

The number of people who see any useful purpose in going to the bother of physically changing a lens on a camera is pretty minuscule from my experience and this tends to be forgotten on these forums where these small numbers congregate and obsess. I really doubt if cameras even show on the radar at the higher levels in Samsung except as a red blip which needs eliminating.

MikeDPR wrote:

vasile wrote:

I actually do not think Samsung is dumb enough to not realize what gem they have on their hands with the NX1.

Hmm...are you saying those professionals at Samsung may know just as much if not more than armchair CEOs in those forums? That's impossible!!!

jonathanj
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lol101 wrote:

At CES they will announce a bunch of gadgets non photography related.

They will also probably state that they are still developing sensors for cameras and phones but nothing more precise unless they have a closed deal with some camera maker and that this camera maker is willing to reveal its future line of cameras using Samsung sensors... very unlikely.

This is pretty much what I'm expecting personally... I'd love to see new lenses (and an NX50 with the NX1 sensor) but I'm expecting to be disappointed..

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deang001
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I think they'll do the following ...

1. Stop development on all their current cameras.

2. Supply sensors to some Nikon cameras.

3. Put their resources toward interchangeable lens phones that no one will end up buying.

What I wish they'd do is something novel like just have 3 awesomely made and well thought out cameras in their line up and that's it. NX1, NX500 and something like an RX100iv / LX100. Release constant FW updates after listening to customers and concentrate on making great lenses.

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Hitherto Contributing Member • Posts: 812
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Samsung to exit the market... and everyone in here was predicting the death of Micro Four Thirds because of Samsung for video? That's funny Sorry.. yeah, but no...

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tecnoworld
tecnoworld Veteran Member • Posts: 7,232
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There is one thing that samsung never did, even in the moments when many fw were being released: listening to customers.

A lot of very good suggestions have been sent, no one has been implemented.

They have internal plans and they won't change them for any reason.

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simontramper Senior Member • Posts: 2,405
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There is one thing that samsung never did, even in the moments when many fw were being released: listening to customers.

A lot of very good suggestions have been sent, no one has been implemented.

They have internal plans and they won't change them for any reason.

We will know soon enough.
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justmeMN Forum Pro • Posts: 10,712
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vasile wrote: I actually do not think Samsung is dumb enough to not realize what gem they have on their hands with the NX1.

Companies don't consider unprofitable products to be gems.

Veducci Senior Member • Posts: 1,359
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The 1.7% who believe Samsung will keep on producing cameras must be living in the twilight zone.

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Jude 101 Contributing Member • Posts: 523
Re: Prediction: What will Samsung do - Nikon

Samsung is not going to buy Nikon, as Nikon is wholly owned by Mitsubishi and to the best of my knowledge, Mitsubishi has not even hinted at selling off Nikon.  More important, investing today in a traditional camera manufacturer, even a heralded one such as Nikon, would be foolish as ther traditional camera market is a dead-end business.

justmeMN Forum Pro • Posts: 10,712
Re: Prediction: What will Samsung do - Nikon
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Jude 101 wrote:Samsung is not going to buy Nikon, as Nikon is wholly owned by Mitsubishi

"Is Nikon a subsidiary of Mitsubishi?"

"But the basic answer is, no, Nikon is an independent company with its shares publicly traded on the Nikkei."

http://www.dslrbodies.com/nikon/about-nikon/nikon-faq/is-nikon-a-subsidiary-of.html

But I agree that Samsung won't be buying Nikon, for a variety of reasons.

vasile Contributing Member • Posts: 575
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justmeMN wrote:

vasile wrote: I actually do not think Samsung is dumb enough to not realize what gem they have on their hands with the NX1.

Companies don't consider unprofitable products to be gems.

Not as simple as that. It is unprofitable because of market conditions and/or marketing strategy, intrinsically it is a good product, with potential, as recognised by many reviewers.

Pricing is/was good, in line with analogue products from competition.

The question is what to do. Past investment is a sunk cost as any finance analyst will tell you. The situation must be evaluated based on the situation "as is", regardless of the past investments.

What would I do? Well:

- until I have more clarity as to the market evolution, I would stop investing more money in it, I would reassign related workforce to other similar positions in my organisation so as not to lose them in case

- I would, however, keep producing the cameras to the extent that they sell right now since this is a "free" revenue stream.

- maybe I would release products in the pipeline (300mm?) if costs are small to bring them to market (i.e. if I judge that the limited additional investment to bring them to market will give customers an indication of my commitment to the system).

- I would also restrict my service and marketing activities to the markets which have enough volume to at least break even.

This way I would keep my options open whilst not losing additional money on a product that might still be profitable in the future.

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Kisaha Senior Member • Posts: 2,300
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justmeMN wrote:

vasile wrote: I actually do not think Samsung is dumb enough to not realize what gem they have on their hands with the NX1.

Companies don't consider unprofitable products to be gems.

Not as simple as that. It is unprofitable because of market conditions and/or marketing strategy, intrinsically it is a good product, with potential, as recognised by many reviewers.

Pricing is/was good, in line with analogue products from competition.

The question is what to do. Past investment is a sunk cost as any finance analyst will tell you. The situation must be evaluated based on the situation "as is", regardless of the past investments.

What would I do? Well:

- until I have more clarity as to the market evolution, I would stop investing more money in it, I would reassign related workforce to other similar positions in my organisation so as not to lose them in case

- I would, however, keep producing the cameras to the extent that they sell right now since this is a "free" revenue stream.

- maybe I would release products in the pipeline (300mm?) if costs are small to bring them to market (i.e. if I judge that the limited additional investment to bring them to market will give customers an indication of my commitment to the system).

- I would also restrict my service and marketing activities to the markets which have enough volume to at least break even.

This way I would keep my options open whilst not losing additional money on a product that might still be profitable in the future.

Very good analysis. I tottaly agree. Even a minor software update(that a team of 2 or 3 programers can easily do) can give some confidence to the NX branding, and the NX500 and NX1 are still the cheapest, lighter and smaller A-B 4K video cameras with the best sensor in class.

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