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Canon G16 vs

Started Nov 16, 2015 | Questions
Henry Richardson Forum Pro • Posts: 21,956
G16 vs. G5X IQ
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Jon_T wrote:

All depends on your budget and acceptable image quality.

The G15 and G16 do provide good quality images for a 12MP 1/1.7" sensor.

But neither can match the image quality of the G5 X's larger 1" 20MP sensor.

You can compare the image quality comparisons between the G16, G5 X and other cameras with the DPR Studio Scene Comparison Tool.

Studio Scene Comparison Tool - Normal Light

Studio Comparison Tool - Low Light Option (light bulb icon)

As you can see the G5 X image quality can compare quite well to APS-C sensor DSLR's image quality.

Of course, I can't disagree with you, but I did want to point something out for the benefit of the OP and others. At least something to consider. The screenshots above are at the full resolution of the different cameras. In particular, the G5X is 20mp and the G16 is 12mp. That means the G5X image is larger and that also helps it look a bit better. Also, the particular spot chosen of the image (playing cards at the bottom) appears to be a bit out of focus in the G16. When I selected other areas of the image it looks somewhat better, but still seems to be out of focus.

Here are the same screenshots, but with the option to compare them all at the smallest common size, i.e., 12mp. And 12mp is enough to make an excellent 13x17 inch print without resorting to uprezzing.

Studio Scene Comparison Tool - Normal Light

Studio Comparison Tool - Low Light Option (light bulb icon)

The above are all jpegs. I also looked at raws at all ISOs and both lighting types. Generally I would say the G5X is about 1 to 1.5 stops better as far as noise. At the lower ISOs that is pretty much irrelevant since both have low enough noise at those ISOs to not be an issue. Once you get up to ISO 800 or higher then the G5X's lower noise becomes more noticeable. I will make note here though that you have to be careful while using this tool to look at raw so that you understand what you are seeing. They turn off all raw noise reduction in ACR to produce these images. That means that luminance noise reduction is off and it means that chroma noise reduction is also off. Chroma noise is very easily removed with ACR, LR, and most software these days and, unlike luminance noise reduction, it doesn't generally cause any bad side effects. Luminance noise reduction, on the other hand, can smear detail.

The G5X probably also has 1 to 1.5 stops better dynamic range and that is not something that these test images show. In my mind, that is more important than a bit more resolution or a bit better high ISO.

The G16 is still a very good camera and has some things that I prefer to the G5X. Canon both gaveth and taketh away with the G5X. We had hoped and expected that the G5X would retain all the good stuff of the G16, but add a new sensor, an EVF, etc. Well, Canon did add some stuff, but they also took away some stuff.

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Jon_T
Jon_T Veteran Member • Posts: 6,393
Re: Canon G16 vs

portside wrote:

ah yes ... now you are making it difficult ... i shall keep it in mind ... yes to better quality except i was under the impression (when i first went to Canon G ... a 9 after the ixus) that the quality was great and a backup camera for professionals ... maybe its all moved on...

Yes technology moves on. The compacts with the 1/1.7" sensor were the main alternative for a DSLR user looking for a "enthusiasts compact" type camera. The 1" sensor compacts are now fulfilling that genre.

i shall look into it ... G5x, G16 .... so, why not a G9x? putting aside budget which will drive the ultimate decision of course ...

G9 X the choice if wanting a high-end pocket size is a high priority. IMHO the G9 X the replacement for the S120 (S110, etc.). For the smaller pocket size you settle for (compared to G16) No EVF, no hot shoe, slower max f/4.9 aperture at tele focal length, etc.

I'm waiting for the initial "newness" first price drop to get the G9 X as a replacement/ upgrade to my S110, when I want the advantages of having a "pocket" camera.

As noted previously will eventually get the G5 X as a replacement/ upgrade to my G15.

As always, to each his/her own needs/ preferences.

Cheers,
Jon

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RedFox88 Forum Pro • Posts: 30,738
Re: Canon G16 vs

RedFox88 wrote:

Consider a newer 1in sensor power shot. I doubt Canon will continue the G16-series given the crash of p&s sales as the growth of high end larger sensor compacts

right ... thank you ... thats the first light at the end of the tunnel i see ... i appreciate things are always changed, upgraded, moved on ... and thats the market demanding it ... sometimes it is just a name change ...

can you point me in the direction of 'a newer 1in sensor powershot' ... or is that the G5,7,9X series?

thank you to you and everyone ! .... i shall ruminate in the morning.

Yes the G3 X, G5 X, G7 X, G9 X are all 1 in type sensors.

OP portside Junior Member • Posts: 27
Re: Canon G16 vs

damian5000 wrote:

Make your decision based on your needs. Not pixel peeping images. Yes, people very happy with G16, but unfortunately versatility in any lowish light situation is weak compared to the 1" type cameras.

Look at the strengths and weaknesses of each camera. The G16 only strength IMO is it's price, in comparison to the others you have on the table (G7X, G9X, G5X). G9X strength is that it's small and truly pocketable... G7X, bright tele, great bokeh and versatility (for cameras in this size class), tiltable display. G5X, Same lens as G7X, tiltable display, more physical controls, and more options (HDR bracketing, 24p/25p/30p/50p/60p video), EVF, hot shoe

Then consider the negatives... eg, G9X no tiltable display, dimmer tele, less reach.... G7X, a bit too bulky to be truly pocketable....G5X, biggest and most expensive.

In a nutshell.

wonderful ... thank you !

OP portside Junior Member • Posts: 27
Re: G16 vs. G5X IQ

phew ... love the knowledge ... thank you !

OP portside Junior Member • Posts: 27
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ok .... i would like to mark this as answered ... no particular individual reply gave me the answer but each one has given me things to consider from a knowledgeable, logical, considered perspective leaving me with that touch of personal requirements/bottom line price.

i thank each of you for taking the time and giving me much to think on.  I shall post again when i have the baby in my hand !  much appreciation to each of you.  >>> Gina

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Henry Richardson Forum Pro • Posts: 21,956
Re: G16 vs. G5X IQ

portside wrote:

phew ... love the knowledge ... thank you !

Good luck with whatever you decide!  Let us know what you get.

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Jon_T
Jon_T Veteran Member • Posts: 6,393
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portside wrote:

ok .... i would like to mark this as answered ... no particular individual reply gave me the answer but each one has given me things to consider from a knowledgeable...

Only a person with the exactsame photog needs/ preferences as yourself could give you "the answer".

I would suggest think back on when shooting with your G11 and write down the features you like, features you dislike, and features you wished the G11 had for the the type of photography you most of the time.

From the above items make a list of the items you want/ like your new camera to have.

Just a FYI in you're in the USA (location not in profile) Canon USA Refurbished PowerShots currently has reduced price of $US279.99, includes Canon USA 1-Year Warranty. Reduced price valid till 11/21/15, or inventory sold out.

See HERE.

Canon periodically reduces the refurb prices, which makes a good deal that it includes the Canon USA 1-Year Warranty.

Good Luck on your quest!

Cheers,
Jon

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OP portside Junior Member • Posts: 27
Re: Canon G16 vs

Jon_T wrote:

portside wrote:

ok .... i would like to mark this as answered ... no particular individual reply gave me the answer but each one has given me things to consider from a knowledgeable...

Only a person with the exactsame photog needs/ preferences as yourself could give you "the answer".

I would suggest think back on when shooting with your G11 and write down the features you like, features you dislike, and features you wished the G11 had for the the type of photography you most of the time.

From the above items make a list of the items you want/ like your new camera to have.

Just a FYI in you're in the USA (location not in profile) Canon USA Refurbished PowerShots currently has reduced price of $US279.99, includes Canon USA 1-Year Warranty. Reduced price valid till 11/21/15, or inventory sold out.

See HERE.

Canon periodically reduces the refurb prices, which makes a good deal that it includes the Canon USA 1-Year Warranty.

Good Luck on your quest!

Cheers,
Jon

Jon ... thanks again ... i was just coming back to the forum - this question ... from the research and my understanding is the X'are the next step up and replacing the G series?  now i have another question ...  do i need to create a new thread?

5x or 3x? - in the final run of research i came across a comparison of both and it seems 3 runs ahead of 5 as the focal length is longer, the optical zoom is huge (52x vs 4.2), the aperture range is wider, the focus range is higher plus a microphone jack. heavier though.

i loved my G11 and as for features i like and dislike (biggest dislike was the buttons kept getting in the way when holding the camera).... its more about a wish list?

thank you so much for the link - i am in Australia and whilst searching for a great price and outlet (trying to keep away from the gray ones) i came across the above. .... sigh ...  i might need to take a break for a little and let all the info settle ... getting confused now

damian5000 Senior Member • Posts: 1,948
Re: Canon G16 vs

I think you need to figure out what your wants/needs are before you can decide on a camera. Make a list of parameters... Things important to you, things you could take or leave and then see which camera fits the list best.

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Jon_T
Jon_T Veteran Member • Posts: 6,393
Re: Canon G16 vs

portside wrote:

Jon_T wrote:

portside wrote:

ok .... i would like to mark this as answered ... no particular individual reply gave me the answer but each one has given me things to consider from a knowledgeable...

Only a person with the exactsame photog needs/ preferences as yourself could give you "the answer".

I would suggest think back on when shooting with your G11 and write down the features you like, features you dislike, and features you wished the G11 had for the the type of photography you most of the time.

From the above items make a list of the items you want/ like your new camera to have.

Just a FYI in you're in the USA (location not in profile) Canon USA Refurbished PowerShots currently has reduced price of $US279.99, includes Canon USA 1-Year Warranty. Reduced price valid till 11/21/15, or inventory sold out.

See HERE.

Canon periodically reduces the refurb prices, which makes a good deal that it includes the Canon USA 1-Year Warranty.

Good Luck on your quest!

Cheers,
Jon

Jon ... thanks again

You're welcome.

... i was just coming back to the forum - this question ... from the research and my understanding is the X'are the next step up and replacing the G series?...

At this time it appears that way -- looks looks as if the G5 X may be the update/ replacement for the G16, ditto for the G9 X for the S120. P&S are continuing to decline.

There's the Rumor suggests Canon might no longer produce small sensors post.

now i have another question ... do i need to create a new thread?

5x or 3x? - in the final run of research i came across a comparison of both and it seems 3 runs ahead of 5 as the focal length is longer, the optical zoom is huge (52x vs 4.2), the aperture range is wider, the focus range is higher plus a microphone jack. heavier though.

Also note no EVF, and additional cost for adapter to attach filters/ lens hood.

i loved my G11 and as for features i like and dislike (biggest dislike was the buttons kept getting in the way when holding the camera).... its more about a wish list?...

As I suggested in my previous post above I believe your next step is to make a "wish list" or "check list" of the items you want in your new camera based upon YOUR photography needs/ preferences. Then make columns next to the list for each cameras that you're interested in to see which camera comes the closest to YOUR list.

If DPR does not have a full review yet on the camera(s) you selected do a Google search for the camera to find reviews.

Some Review links:
DPR 2015 Roundup: Long Zoom Compacts
DPR 2015 Roundup: Advanced Zoom Compacts
CameraLabs G3 X Review
CameraLabs G5 X PREVIEW
ImagingResource G3 X Review

... getting confused now

To prevent further confusion after you done all the research on one or two cameras, do start a new thread for a camera, and try to your best ability to ask specific questions on the items you're not clear on and/or do not understand.  Less specific the questions will result in broader range of answers.

Good Luck & Cheers,
Jon

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