It's time to replace the carry around camera

Louis_Dobson wrote:

The problem with the electronic shutter is it loses 1EV of DR. And the reason I am dumping my existing camera, which I like very much otherwise, is to get more DR.

Yes mechanical shutters are more desirable except for the current popular sport of "shutter shock" complaining.  I vote that everyone with a shutter in shock should go straight to electronic shutter and not go past "go" in the process.  

Tom Caldwell wrote:

Aaron801 wrote:

Louis_Dobson wrote:

Clearly you can't have everything. It's become clear to me now that the Oly tiny camera compromise is leaving out the viewfinder and the Panny one is a very simple shutter and no IBIS. Both give you a tiny battery.
With the benefit of hindsight I might have been better off going for the Oly compromise with a VF2. But I didn't, so let's see.

I've been really happy with my e_m10 with it's fairly high quality built in EVF. It isn't tiny, but is very small, has generous easy to handle physical controls and IBIS. Still part of me would love a really tine extra m4/3 body. I think that I could live with less in the way of physical controls, no IBIS (impossible in a body this small) and the lesser quality VF. The fact though that the e-shutter is a bit of an IQ limitation might bother me... if I could really tell any difference in IQ. if so, that might be too big of a sacrifice for having that extra small cam.

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Well the GM1/5 are really tiny although some might say that they are only a little bit smaller. It is a case of what fits fits. The E-M10 might be regarded as what might be the smallest effective full-tote odds camera body without a lot of compromises. When it gets smaller it is just a matter of how much convenience (a word I use carefully) that the user might agree to do without to get this smaller physical size.

Panasonic thought quite carefully about what they could excise without seriously compromising real world performance and I think that they achieved it. But it was never going to be 100% of what conveniences a larger body might offer. I am surprised that the subject has not drifted over to discussing how these cameras are so small that there is nothing much to grip on. Another convenience lost and the subject of much debate in GM land.

I may be purblind and in my dotage but I cannot see any real problem in real life photography in using an electronic shutter. It is not only silent but is also very fast acting with it. If the occasional Lartique-like sloping moving vehicle crops up I just think it a cool effect and try again.

So the flash synch limit is 1/50 second. Mmmm the GM5 does not have a built in flash and only pops a flash unit into the box for emergencies. I may have lost mine already (along with 75% of other GM5 owners .... ). I did try it out to confirm that it works.

I fail to see all this profound "I could not make these sacrifices" talk when it is pretty plain that if you really wnat a full house of conveniences then even the E-M10 makes some sacrifices and if you want them all (the conveniences) then by all means step up the model rungs - E-M5, E-M1 or even A7R II which is still a dslr short of perfection.

If small and smaller is required then auto-transmission might be turfed out - a pity that we can forget how to use manual transmission (or never have learned).

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Robert Garcia NYC wrote:

Louis_Dobson wrote:

Tom Caldwell wrote:

Robert Garcia NYC wrote:

Try a Ricoh GR II for a day the prices have dropped it has amazing handling and user experience and the image quality i feel is awesome.

Fully agreed, but I think the guys want to re-use their existing lenses. I would use my GR more if the fixed 28mm (FF Eq) prime wasn't a sometimes convenience compromise.

I must say it doesn't appeal to me at all. I generally shoot 14, 24, and 90mm (FF). A fixed 28 would be of no interest. I'm sure it makes a nice party camera, being good at high ISO with a fairly quick lens while being small and unobtrusive. Not what I'm after though.

LOL, that is exactly what I thought until I borrowed one for a few days. To each his own though

Louis knows exactly what he needs and it is not a fixed 28mm prime in a camera that has been made in this form (one way or another) for 10 years and has become a sort of cult camera type.  It is no party cam and makes images just as good as any other aps-c sensored camera that it can be stacked against with no apologies necessary. Compact, capable and very niche purpose.

Furthermore the user interface and firmware has been steadily improved over the year and it must be one of the most intuitive to use cameras ever made.  An there is always the single button press to achieve instant 35mm and 47mm sensor crop zoom. None of these crops is in Louis list either nor would a crop-sensor image (no matter how good it was) be likely to be satisfactory. All these are in FF equivalent focal length terms as it is customary for only 4/3 sensor users to refer in the correct focal lengths.  Even the crop advice coming up on the lcd of the GR says "35mm" and "47mm" (quite incorrectly and definitely not PC). Of course the lens itself proudly claims to be 18.3mm although "everyone" knows of it as "28mm".

Go figure.  I speak one language in one place and another when visiting, I am happy with that.

After months of playing with my excellent GM series camera I have my old friend the Ricoh GR out for a pat and cuddle and a few shots.  It is a marvellous thing when all your toys remain so pleasant to use.