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Why they don't 3D cameras anymore?

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Simon Zeev
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Why they don't 3D cameras anymore?
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I don't have the answer; I hope someone can answer.

It seems that 3D did not succeed in the modern world. It remain a very niche only suitable for a small passionate people.

I am addicted to 3D and most of my pictures are now in 3D, but is even hard to find people to view 3D on a 3D TV more than a few minutes.

Maybe the vast amount of people are simply not interested.

I am hopping that will change.

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threed123
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Re: Why they don't 3D cameras anymore?

All the people I know that have 3D TVs have either tried to use the glasses that came with the TV and gave up or are simply bored with it. Take care of your 3D cameras as they are disappearing at a rapid rate. Weirdly, projection companies still implement 3D on many of their projectors, so that niche is still thriving--as long as 3D blurays are still made--and that's questionable too.

hdr Senior Member • Posts: 2,867
Re: Why they don't 3D cameras anymore?

Simon Zeev wrote:

I don't have the answer; I hope someone can answer.

It seems that 3D did not succeed in the modern world. It remain a very niche only suitable for a small passionate people.

I am addicted to 3D and most of my pictures are now in 3D, but is even hard to find people to view 3D on a 3D TV more than a few minutes.

Maybe the vast amount of people are simply not interested.

I am hopping that will change.

I find bliss in 3D.

Good to know I am not alone.

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Gerry Siegel
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Re: Why they don't 3D cameras anymore?

The devoted will keep it alive.  It is arguable that the best way of making the images is to cobble together two separate cameras, Simon. Even when the Realist system was dominant I could see the advantage of paired cameras.  Right now I am looking at the Olympus Air 01 as a platform, and it has open architecture for fooling around.  One of the applications might just be stereo...As to the popularity and viewing, well, I agree you either get bitten or you don't. Might be that some folk have low stereopsis.  But the Wow factor is still there.  It does take a certain style to shoot in 3-D and a lot of junk has come out that is exploitive and poor quality.  No, I do not expect a boom, maybe a boomlet is all we can have.  I am thankful for the boomlet.  I got a lot of Realist slides. I treasure them.   Aloha, GS

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JR Schlauch New Member • Posts: 21
Re: Why they don't 3D cameras anymore?

I suspect a major part of the problem lies in the viewing.  Viewing photos in stereo requires an excellent viewer and a patient "viewer" wanting to be amazed.  2D prints  are immediately accessible to an individual and even groups of viewers.  When I would show my slides, a handful would get it right away and want more, but others seemed to find it inconvenient to look with both eyes, hold down the button for the light and focus the slide in the viewer.  Yet others found in annoying trying to do this with glasses.

The other issue is processing the slides or 3d prints and mounting them properly for viewing.  It is rapidly becoming a lost art.

In this age of immediate gratification there isn't much room for individual effort in either taking or viewing 3D.  Everyone is waiting for a process that requires no effort in the taking and even less effort in the viewing.

I'd love to get back into it, if some one could suggest a company that still processes slide film.  I still have the mounting supplies.    Of course I have a dozen 3d cameras that will probably need a good cla by now.  :   )

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droshi
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Just to give my own reason, 3D gives me a headache, and as such the effect intended is largely lost on me. Asking others, it seems I'm not alone in this. It causes a kind of vertigo and disorientation.

I haven't seen much for 3D photography, just going based on video.

Not trying to put down 3D as an art,  but I really just can't enjoy it.

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Simon Zeev
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Re: Why they don't 3D cameras anymore?

droshi wrote:

Just to give my own reason, 3D gives me a headache, and as such the effect intended is largely lost on me. Asking others, it seems I'm not alone in this. It causes a kind of vertigo and disorientation.

I haven't seen much for 3D photography, just going based on video.

Not trying to put down 3D as an art, but I really just can't enjoy it.

Hi droshi,

You have a good reason not to love 3D. Is known that a part of population have bad symptoms when viewing 3D (film or pictures).

My question is why they don't make 3D cameras for the other part of people that can enjoy 3D?

Probably because for seeing 3D needs a pair of special glasses or looking cross eyes that is very hard for most of people.

I don't speak on "art" but I enjoy very much seeing my 3D stereo pictures on a 3D capable TV.

3D is probably a gimmick that doesn't succeed and now the producers are going to other directions like 4k.. etc.

Enjoy 2D photography and be well!

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Gerry Siegel
Gerry Siegel Veteran Member • Posts: 3,244
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3-D is not nor can ever be a perfect reproduction of reality. For one thing it requires a visual separation of the physiological funtion of accomodation ( focus)and convergence. Which are linked in nature. However, we are binocular creatures and get more information by two images fused than a single flat image,no matter how wide. It had some great popularity when there was a real system that made it easy to shoot and view. And even project. But even then, it was not for everyone. It takes some work to reproduce stereo and we seem to be more and more headed to convenience and quick and dirty shots. So let it remain the province of those who enjoy stereo, and those who enjoy it REALLy enjoy it. A good 3-D movie is a joy. When I watch a National Geographic film about underwater cave exploring or an aerial tour of a rainforest or a look at lion prides, I always think how wonderful it would be to get that view in 3-D. Or to see a science show about the cosmos with animations in 3-D.

Watson and Crick-those two Nobel guys, remember--- made their DNA double helix model in 3-D! they had to, life at its basic is a solid thing....and they saw how the bases fit on the helix so science is in 3-D or stereo. Am I getting close to the idea? You either get it or do not...I understand,and hope those that cannot enjoy it can imagine or imagine the zest fo those who can. A taste that is persistent in the so called community of stereo buffs..about 140 years now...

Popularity has to include a system that makes shooting and showing easy.  Has not happened in the digital world. Getting a standard for storage and viewing would help.  Product must be relevant and interesting, and suited to the depth mode. In movies, there is a problem of enough illlumination on the screen because of the polaroid process and even Cameron has recognized this.  Eclipsing viewer are too heavy.  We could make them lighter!  But then exhibitors have to pay a price....bottom line is that there are still technical problems that require heavy interest and tech problems diminish interest which diminishes investment, a typical vicious circle...best answer to OP that I got for today...aloha.

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Oleg L K Regular Member • Posts: 293
Re: Why they don't 3D cameras anymore?
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Today there are no principal obstacles to amateur 3d-stereo photography, since the viewing problem is resolved.
Recently I shot 10 rolls of negatives with a vintage TDC Colorist 2 stero-camera, digitized the images and processed with StereoPhotoMaker.

I showed the results to numerous people using the following 3 methods, all were praised, even by those who won't ever consider shooting with anything but a phone:
1) Passive full-hd 3d TV. I was surprised myself by how good it looked, despite presumably too low a resolution. And it wins in the viewing comfort of course.
2) The two foldable Loreo viewers (mini- and pixi-) with high resolution tablets/laptops. One was 10-inch 2560:1600, another - 3200:1800. Frankly the viewers liked this method the least.
3) Phone-based VR glasses with high-resolution smartphone. This is the most spectacular. If you have a 2560:1440 phone, you will be thrilled. More or less it is equivalent to the classic stereoscope.

so as to me, everything is ready for the comeback of a serious stereocamera.

hdr Senior Member • Posts: 2,867
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I certainly hope Fujifilm will introduce a W4 with ultra-wide angle lenses.
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europanorama New Member • Posts: 20
Re: Why nobody produces 3D cameras anymore?
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Because 3D-Smartphones are coming.....

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crunchy_3d Regular Member • Posts: 149
Re: Why nobody produces 3D cameras anymore?

Which 3D smartphones?!?

Damir

Martin.au
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Re: Why they don't 3D cameras anymore?

Simon Zeev wrote:

I don't have the answer; I hope someone can answer.

It seems that 3D did not succeed in the modern world. It remain a very niche only suitable for a small passionate people.

I am addicted to 3D and most of my pictures are now in 3D, but is even hard to find people to view 3D on a 3D TV more than a few minutes.

Maybe the vast amount of people are simply not interested.

I am hopping that will change.

Well, I like 3D, and still regularly watch 3D movies.

While one door closes - in this case with the disappearance of dedicated 3D cameras, another opens - with the rise of modular camera systems, like the Olympus Air.

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Gerry Siegel
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Re: Why they don't 3D cameras anymore?

I believe the Olympus AIR has significant possibilities for a home brew stereo device with flexibility and existing quality lenses . Eventually perhaps..am waiting for some one to come up with a prototype. It needs software writing and that is not me.  I doubt Fuji sees a market for the next model of their offering.

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europanorama New Member • Posts: 20
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crunchy_3d wrote:

Which 3D smartphones?!?

Damir

Those which we are discussing in stereoforum.org, yahoo-groups and on FB and those which are announced in stereoscopic news(or similar). I am bored to repeat anything here because some are lazy following elsewhere.

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Could you be so kind and just mention at least two them and spread the info also on this forum? I don't know about any new 3D phones with 3D camera and 3D screen similar to my old phone (LG). I am a member of few 3D forums but just right now I cannot remember to catch any interesting & reliable information about new 3D phones. I am certainly interested in to hear about new 3D phones, Michael. It's about time to replace my old phone with something faster. :-).

Damir

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Re: Why they don't 3D cameras anymore?

I've produced 3D images and the occasional print using a Fuji FinePix Real 3D W3 - bought after its price had fallen to a sensible level.  Sadly, Fujifilm UK emailed me a few days ago to say that supplies of the special lenticular plastic used for printing 3D is ceasing as from next month.  So, I'll be restricted to viewing my 3D snaps on my 3D plasma TV.

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europanorama New Member • Posts: 20
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crunchy_3d wrote:

Could you be so kind and just mention at least two them and spread the info also on this forum? I don't know about any new 3D phones with 3D camera and 3D screen similar to my old phone (LG). I am a member of few 3D forums but just right now I cannot remember to catch any interesting & reliable information about new 3D phones. I am certainly interested in to hear about new 3D phones, Michael. It's about time to replace my old phone with something faster. :-).

Damir

If you have the newsletter from benoit michel also on FB you will be informed. on FB stereoscopic 3D.
in panoramic photography i had spent half of my life, informed people about this and that. but echo was not big. waste of time.

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crunchy_3d Regular Member • Posts: 149
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I don't have Benoit's newsletter and I am not using fb.

Anyhow, I am looking forward if there are some new 3D phones coming to the market. This is good for entire stereoscopic society. Cheers, Damir

europanorama New Member • Posts: 20
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crunchy_3d wrote:

I don't have Benoit's newsletter and I am not using fb.

Anyhow, I am looking forward if there are some new 3D phones coming to the market. This is good for entire stereoscopic society. Cheers, Damir

stereoscopy-news or similar and mtbs3d. Your fault.

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